# Lekatt's Thread: The \*only\* place to find out about Lekatt's beliefs! **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 7, 2010, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273 "2010-04-07T14:05:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/161 "2010-04-10T17:20:04Z")
lekatt, what do you know about CUs? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/162 "2010-04-10T18:48:02Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > I guess you would call it mental telepathy. I ask and they reply. I met my spirit guide shortly after my near death experience. It is not uncommon, everyone has a spirit guide, but we are just too busy with other things to notice. There are many good books about them. In other words, you hear their voices in your thoughts? šŸ˜• ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/163 "2010-04-10T19:42:00Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > In other words, you hear their voices in your thoughts? šŸ˜• I do not hear voices, said that already. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/164 "2010-04-10T19:44:28Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > So youā€™re now admitting that everything you posted in the other threads about the poor woman is groundless and your accusations against her poor husband were slander? > > Well, competent doctors can know for sure that when the brainā€™s deteriorated itā€™s deteriorated. > > I seriously doubt thatā€™s the reason. It seems to me that the reason you post links to that blog is thatā€™s where youā€™ve conveniently added the stuff that fits your agenda. > > So about half of it is your agenda-ridden posts? Wow, thatā€™s quite a scientific powerhouse there! Anyway, the stuff that you didnā€™t write had to come from somewhere. Post a direct link to wherever it is you found it. I doubt your seriousness also. If you want answers, please ask questions that are not snarky. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/165 "2010-04-10T19:46:22Z")
> [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](#): > > Saw your post. Did not see evidence. Explain what it was you expected I would see. It is necessary to read the material linked in order to see the evidence. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/166 "2010-04-10T19:57:12Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > lekatt, what do you know about CUs? Very little, only what I was told. They are the basic unit of all things. They are self-conscious and very curious. The forces that work on them are thoughts, intent, and love holds them together. If you ask the spirit world questions, they must answer in physical concepts, ideas, and language. Many times there are no equivalents in the physical for the answers. So they construct the closest concept to explain. In the spirit world there are colors not seen in the physical and no way to describe them. These things are not high priority. They donā€™t help us with coping in the physical, nor make our lives better which are high priority. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/167 "2010-04-10T20:23:21Z")
How do you know that CUs are both self-conscious and curious? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/168 "2010-04-10T20:26:16Z")
What is love as defined by CUs? ---
**Author:** ![Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brown_eyed_girl/32/3574_2.png) [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/169 "2010-04-10T20:36:32Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > It is necessary to read the material linked in order to see the evidence. I read the material and didnā€™t find anything resembling evidence. Can you please be specific as to what constitutes evidence ā€œthat consciousness operates independently of the brain and body.ā€ You posed the question. Now, show the evidence. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/170 "2010-04-10T20:43:19Z")
> [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](#): > > I read the material and didnā€™t find anything resembling evidence. Can you please be specific as to what constitutes evidence ā€œthat consciousness operates independently of the brain and body.ā€ > > You posed the question. Now, show the evidence. If you read all of that link and couldnā€™t find the research showing consciousness continues to live after the death of the brain and body, I canā€™t help you. Might try the link in #45, Grayson collects veridical NDEs, he is at the University of Virginia ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/171 "2010-04-10T20:44:52Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > What is love as defined by CUs? You seem to be locked in a loop. ---
**Author:** ![Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brown_eyed_girl/32/3574_2.png) [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/172 "2010-04-10T22:29:01Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > If you read all of that link and couldnā€™t find the research showing consciousness continues to live after the death of the brain and body, I canā€™t help you. > > Might try the link in #45, Grayson collects veridical NDEs, he is at the University of Virginia If you canā€™t help me, then what are you doing here? You make claims, you are asked for evidence, the logical thing to do is provide evidence to back up your claims if you expect anyone to take you seriously. Isnā€™t that what weā€™re here for? This is Great Debates. What you are doing is not debating in good faith; you are expecting that we will simply believe as you do. Iā€™ve read plenty of anecdotes about NDEs. I have books sitting on my bookshelf. I have never seen irrefutable evidence that human consciousness does not stem from and isnā€™t inextricably linked to brain activity. You have provided nothing here other than your beliefs and superstitions as related to the beliefs and superstitions of others. There is no evidence. There is only supposition and assumption. From the video you linked to in post #47 via your blog: [QUOTE=Dr. Bruce Grayson] We donā€™t have a materialistic explanation for this. When you assume that mind and body can separate when the brain starts to deteriorate, then you have an explanation. [/QUOTE] Tell me, whereā€™s the science in this assumption? Why isnā€™t it any more valid to assume that you are wrong in the absence of incontrovertible evidence? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/173 "2010-04-10T22:49:04Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > You seem to be locked in a loop. My CUs must be defective. ---
**Author:** ![Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brown_eyed_girl/32/3574_2.png) [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/174 "2010-04-10T23:06:48Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > You seem to be locked in a loop. As do you. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/175 "2010-04-10T23:09:11Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > If you think that certain posters are talking past each other, or are being hostile, then please speak with those posters. Do not close the thread in which posters are enquiring as to lekattā€™s beliefs and the grounds for those beliefs. That would be every poster who has participated to date. No one has approached lekatt with anything resembling a serious attempt to understand what he is talking about and he is playing his usual games. If the best you can do is try to taunt him (or set him up for future taunting) and the best he can do is make vague claims about his superior understanding, then there is no genuine discussion. I am not looking to close this thread, immediately, but I do suggest that the current silliness will not survive another day. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/176 "2010-04-10T23:20:20Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > I doubt your seriousness also. Iā€™m quite serious when it comes to you and your one trick ā€œargument.ā€ > [@](#): > > If you want answers, please ask questions that are not snarky. What snarky? You finally admitted that you donā€™t know what youā€™re talking about on a particular case yet you accused and continue to accuse an innocent man of the worst of crimes. You admitted that you had no idea what you were talking about and that you donā€™t care about the facts yet you continue to direct people to your blog. As has been mentioned to you more than a few times, your blog is not a credible source. Debate credibly or get called on it. Itā€™s really a simple choice, isnā€™t it? Go ahead and post a direct link to something other than your blog and Iā€™ll be happy to check it out, as will a number of others. Keep flogging that blog and it wonā€™t help your supposed argument. As I said, post something credible and Iā€™ll check it. Your blog isnā€™t credible. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/177 "2010-04-10T23:40:12Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > That [posters are talking past each other, or are being hostile] would be every poster who has participated to date. > > No one has approached lekatt with anything resembling a serious attempt to understand what he is talking about and he is playing his usual games. Look, tomndebb, I didnā€™t post the following for the purpose of talking past lekatt or to be hostile to lekatt. Itā€™s time for you to recognize that he really does believe what he believes, regardless of how irrational it appears to you and me, and that I really do want to know what it is he believes, no matter how offensive to me his beliefs are (e.g. keeping a brainless body percolating). > [@Muffin](#): > > And since she no longer had a brain, she no longer had an interface for her spirit, unless that USB Blue-tooth disguised as a butt plug was the interface. > > Since she no longer had an interface for her spirit, there was no reason to keep the rest of her body percolating, unless you can prove that a human brain can grow out of nothing. Please provide a cite that proves that a humanā€™s brain can grow out of nothing. > [@Muffin](#): > > lekatt, some questions for you. > > Once a person no longer has a brain, can a person grow another brain? > > Is a brain necessary for a personā€™s consiousness? > > If a brain is necessary for a personā€™s consciousness, then once the person has no brain, can that person have consciousness? > > If a brain is not necessary for a personā€™s consciousness, then must a personā€™s consciousness be located in that personā€™s body? > [@Muffin](#): > > Lekatt, are all CUs the same, or are there different types of CUs? > > When CUs cluster together, be it in a person or in a pencil, does greater consciousness come into being? > [@Muffin](#): > > lekatt, why is any one collection of CUs better than any other collection of CUs? > > Is one person better than another person? > > Is a person better than a rock composed of the same number of CUs? > [@Muffin](#): > > lekatt, is there any reason that CUs should not be used for commercial purposes? E.g. [The Transformers, season 3, episode 16](http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Webworld): > [@Muffin](#): > > Is the sun more intelligent than the moon? (Bearing in mind that in some belief sytems the sun god is more powerful than the moon god.) > > Does the sun have a greater level of consciousness than the moon? > > Is there a difference between leval of intelligence and level of consciousness? > [@Muffin](#): > > Isolate CUs from commercial use, or isolate CUs for commercial use? > [@Muffin](#): > > When atoms are busted or smooshed together (e.g. fission or fusion), does it harm CUs? > > Are there certain groupings of CUs that are good or bad? > [@Muffin](#): > > lekatt, what do you know about CUs? > [@Muffin](#): > > How do you know that CUs are both self-conscious and curious? > [@Muffin](#): > > What is love as defined by CUs? It is quite telling that you consider those posts to be either talking past lekatt or to be hostile to lekatt. Bear in mind that it is one thing to moderate a thread to keep discourse civil and on-point, but it is quite another to derail a thread through that same moderation. Should we continue this in ATMB? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/178 "2010-04-11T00:22:39Z")
If you are going to insist that your posts on "CU"s is anything more than baiting, then I am not even going to bother with the rest of your nonsense. Every post of yours that you have quoted stands out as a snide attempt to make fun of lekatt, depending on what answer he gives. I have engaged lekatt on numerous occasions when I had not yet figured out the degree to which his own reality failed to intersect the real world and I can tell that you have no idea where he is coming from. Go read his old threads and discover his basic beliefs, then come back and address those. Beyond that, you are simply hijacking this thread to make whiny comments about me rather than actually attempting to engage lekatt. If you want this thread to continue, stop biting my ankles and actually read what lekatt has posted and address him in a serious fashion. That would be sufficient to cause me to leave this thread open. Your attacks on me will not change my opinion except that more posts ignoring lekatt give me more reason to kill this thread, since the purpose of the thread is being ignored. [/Modding] ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/179 "2010-04-11T00:32:22Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Every post of yours that you have quoted stands out as a snide attempt to make fun of lekatt, depending on what answer he gives. Please provide proof of your assertion. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/180 "2010-04-11T00:39:19Z")
Letā€™s take this over to ATMB rather than get off track in this thread: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12327004#post12327004](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12327004#post12327004) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273.md?page=10)