# Lemonade, jelly, and biscuits (and other foods people outside of the US have wrong) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 28, 2009, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lemonade-jelly-and-biscuits-and-other-foods-people-outside-of-the-us-have-wrong/483401 "2009-01-28T17:26:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Quercus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/7ab992/32.png) [@Quercus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quercus)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lemonade-jelly-and-biscuits-and-other-foods-people-outside-of-the-us-have-wrong/483401/121 "2009-01-29T15:28:13Z")
How have we gotten to 120 posts without mentioning bacon? I thought it was a Cafe Society rule that every food post had to mention bacon within 20 posts, regardless of actual topic, but this thread is actually the place to mention it. I mean, pancetta is good in it’s place, and there’s nothing inherently bad about the mini pork chops that the Irish serve for breakfast, but good old American bacon is one of the glories of creation. I’ve also heard that while crossing either ocean, peanut butter falls through a black hole and gets replaced with some nasty thing involving yeast. ---
**Author:** ![Yorikke](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yorikke/32/4335_2.png) [@Yorikke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yorikke)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lemonade-jelly-and-biscuits-and-other-foods-people-outside-of-the-us-have-wrong/483401/122 "2009-01-29T15:39:51Z")
> [@Tracy\_Lord](#): > > I will say, as an American living in the UK, that British Oreos are far, _far_ inferior to their American versions. They have been Anglicized into blandness over here. When I brought back a pack of US-made Oreos to my office, one of my co-workers looked up at me, eyes brimming with tears, mouth quivering with crumbs, and said, “I _understand_ now…” > > I’m not surprised Brits don’t care for Oreos if they’ve only tasted their own. Do they look the same? Are they basically the same cookie, just not as good? Or is it, like in Japan, an entirely different cookie? Joe ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lemonade-jelly-and-biscuits-and-other-foods-people-outside-of-the-us-have-wrong/483401/123 "2009-01-29T15:43:10Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > Forgot to put in my post that over here, ginger ale is a carbonated, mild flavored drink (I assume it tastes like ginger–not sure what ginger actually tastes like as I only know it as a dash of flavor in other stuff). Never heard of ginger beer, but I am intrigued. [All you ever need to know about ginger beer.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=418173&highlight=ginger+beer) ---
**Author:** ![Tracy\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@Tracy\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tracy_Lord)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lemonade-jelly-and-biscuits-and-other-foods-people-outside-of-the-us-have-wrong/483401/124 "2009-01-29T15:54:23Z")
Basically the same cookie, but not as good. Seriously, the British M.O. for American imports seems to be “like that, only blander. No, less flavour! LESS!” ---
**Author:** ![Enright3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/enright3/32/2897_2.png) [@Enright3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enright3)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lemonade-jelly-and-biscuits-and-other-foods-people-outside-of-the-us-have-wrong/483401/125 "2009-01-29T16:27:57Z")
> [@GaryM](#): > > We also have preserves, which is mostly fruit with just a little juice. Very thick it is. Am I the only one who read this line with British accent? ---
**Author:** ![Mahna\_Mahna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e47c2d/32.png) [@Mahna\_Mahna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahna_Mahna)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lemonade-jelly-and-biscuits-and-other-foods-people-outside-of-the-us-have-wrong/483401/126 "2009-01-29T17:36:18Z")
> [@Oswald\_Bastable](#): > > I believe the name comes from the fact it was originally made with quinces rather than oranges or other citrus fruit. Quince in Portuguese is _marmelos_. I think it also originated as a dessert (or pudding) served rather like a jelly (or jello) rather than as a breakfast spread. Precisely. 🙂 In Portugal, _marmelada_ is quince jam (which according to Wikipedia is called “quince cheese”). It’s sometimes served on its own in slices, since it’s very firm compared to citrus marmalades… more of a paste than a jam, really. Growing up, we’d often smear it on some fresh crusty Portuguese-style cornbread (which is nothing like US-style cornbread with is made with cornmeal and levened with baking powder, but rather a very crusty and dense yeast-leavened bread made from corn and wheat flours). It’s a really nice accompaniment to sliced cheese, too… I sometimes make sandwiches with alternating slices of sharp white cheese and marmelada. ---
**Author:** ![hellpaso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ecae2f/32.png) [@hellpaso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hellpaso)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lemonade-jelly-and-biscuits-and-other-foods-people-outside-of-the-us-have-wrong/483401/127 "2009-01-29T17:37:04Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > I’ve never understood the habit of putting baked beans on the table for breakfast, but I hear tell they do that in Tex-mex places as well as UK. No!:eek: We don’t have baked beans for breakfast!! We do have pinto beans or refried beans with our breakfast eggs, though. That is tasty! When I think of baked beans I think of something you’d serve with BBQ or hotdogs. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lemonade-jelly-and-biscuits-and-other-foods-people-outside-of-the-us-have-wrong/483401/128 "2009-01-29T18:15:12Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > One last time: the only reason you add water to concentrated juice, is to replace the water that had been removed from it. You’re not adding water to orange juice, you’re adding water to orange “paste.” Lemonade, on the other hand, is made by adding water and sugar to (unconcentrated) lemon juice. Yes, but is there not OJ that is not from concentrate (and that has no water whatsoever) that people drink? ---
**Author:** ![Ian\_D.Bergkamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Ian\_D.Bergkamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ian_D.Bergkamp)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lemonade-jelly-and-biscuits-and-other-foods-people-outside-of-the-us-have-wrong/483401/129 "2009-01-29T18:25:36Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > Cider over here is non-alcoholic. I’m not even sure where one can buy hard cider here, but I don’t get out much. Woodchuck is an American cider brand available in most (if not all) grocery stores in the Northern Virginia/DC metro area. I understand it’s widely available elsewhere as well. It’s a good substitute when I can’t find Strongbow. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lemonade-jelly-and-biscuits-and-other-foods-people-outside-of-the-us-have-wrong/483401/130 "2009-01-29T19:12:23Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Yes, but is there not OJ that is not from concentrate (and that has no water whatsoever) that people drink? Water is an inherent component of orange juice. If there were orange juice with no water whatsoever, it would be, as **panache** put it, orange paste or orange powder. The liquid part of orange juice IS water. ---
**Author:** ![KittenKat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kittenkat/32/306_2.png) [@KittenKat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KittenKat)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lemonade-jelly-and-biscuits-and-other-foods-people-outside-of-the-us-have-wrong/483401/131 "2009-01-29T21:39:18Z")
> [@scifisam2009](#): > > Not a food one, but related to food: ‘wash up.’ Here, that means to wash the dishes. In the US, it’s to wash your hands. I was always most confused, as a kid, to read about people washing up _before_ dinner, especially since it was seen as a high-class thing to do and the little kids were the ones made to do it. “Washing up” is just a variation of “washing” in my experience. Washing up before a meal would (usually) mean to wash your hands and/or face before sitting down at the table. But washing up _after_ a meal could well mean washing the dishes and washing/wiping the tabletop (depending what it’s made of or covered with). ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lemonade-jelly-and-biscuits-and-other-foods-people-outside-of-the-us-have-wrong/483401/132 "2009-01-29T22:56:28Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Water is an inherent component of orange juice. If there were orange juice with no water whatsoever, it would be, as **panache** put it, orange paste or orange powder. The liquid part of orange juice IS water. So I’m confused…why do I see some people squeeze the juice out of oranges into a cup and drink it without adding any tap water to it first? Because I’ve seen many people do that before. They take an orange, hold it over a cup, squeeze it, the juice comes out, and they drink it. They don’t add water first, they just drink it as is. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lemonade-jelly-and-biscuits-and-other-foods-people-outside-of-the-us-have-wrong/483401/133 "2009-01-29T23:00:04Z")
I think we’re talking about (lololol) apples and oranges, is what I’m starting to think. My points (again) are just this: 1. Some Orange Juice you don’t have to add water to. Like the kind in cartons. 2. Some you do. Like the frozen cans of it. That’s it. That’s all. Now are numbers 1 or 2 the case or not? Just a simple yes or no will suffice. If yes, then there is no debate about it because that’s all I’m (and have been) trying to say, haha. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![cher3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@cher3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cher3)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lemonade-jelly-and-biscuits-and-other-foods-people-outside-of-the-us-have-wrong/483401/134 "2009-01-29T23:04:05Z")
Concentrated orange juice is what you get if you buy the frozen stuff in the little cans to which you have to add some water (typically 2 or 3 cans) to get it back to the right level. “Not from concentrate” is typically seen on cartons of orange juice (or other juices) in the case with the milk. It ready to drink, but is not fresh squeezed and may have been pasteurized to extend its shelf life. Both of them try to approximate what you get if you just squeeze an orange over a cup. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lemonade-jelly-and-biscuits-and-other-foods-people-outside-of-the-us-have-wrong/483401/135 "2009-01-29T23:05:54Z")
> [@cher3](#): > > Concentrated orange juice is what you get if you buy the frozen stuff in the little cans to which you have to add some water (typically 2 or 3 cans) to get it back to the right level. > > “Not from concentrate” is typically seen on cartons of orange juice (or other juices) in the case with the milk. It ready to drink, but is not fresh squeezed and may have been pasteurized to extend its shelf life. > > Both of them try to approximate what you get if you just squeeze an orange over a cup. So…you have to add some water to SOME orange juices (the kind you get in cans), right? Whereas the kind in cartons you don’t have to, right? Are both of these right? Because these are my points, hah. There are OJs you don’t have to add any water to and OJs you do. ---
**Author:** ![lobotomyboy63](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobotomyboy63/32/2900_2.png) [@lobotomyboy63](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobotomyboy63)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lemonade-jelly-and-biscuits-and-other-foods-people-outside-of-the-us-have-wrong/483401/136 "2009-01-29T23:11:17Z")
Concentrating OJ means less weight to ship, less space on the freezer shelf (and less energy to freeze it in the first place). ---
**Author:** ![Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lemonade-jelly-and-biscuits-and-other-foods-people-outside-of-the-us-have-wrong/483401/137 "2009-01-29T23:21:54Z")
You could call it “orange juice” if you take frozen concentrate and reconstitute it from a can. You could also call it “cheese” what we put on hamburgers. While both are culinarily somewhat valid definitions, they do not enlighten us as to the etymology. Why do we call it _orange juice?_ Because of how it was made when it was named — that is, unsweetened, no additives, squeezed directly from the fruit — regardless how it later came to be industrially processed and packaged. We are concerned with how it came to be called orange juice in the first place; frozen concentrate came later. Next, we can argue what is “pizza.” ---
**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lemonade-jelly-and-biscuits-and-other-foods-people-outside-of-the-us-have-wrong/483401/138 "2009-01-29T23:33:11Z")
I don’t get what the argument about orange juice is all about. - You can buy “Orange juice from concentrate” - You can buy “Orange juice not from concentrate” (that’s how it tends to be labelled in Britain, anyway) - You can squeeze your own oranges - You can dilute any of the above, should you wish - I’m presuming that if you know where to get it, it’s possible to buy the concentrate for the top option, too, just not at the supermarket What am I missing? ---
**Author:** ![cher3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@cher3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cher3)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lemonade-jelly-and-biscuits-and-other-foods-people-outside-of-the-us-have-wrong/483401/139 "2009-01-29T23:35:35Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > So…you have to add some water to SOME orange juices (the kind you get in cans), right? > > Whereas the kind in cartons you don’t have to, right? > Are both of these right? Because these are my points, hah. > > There are OJs you don’t have to add any water to and OJs you do. Yes, they’re both right. We just posted at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2009, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lemonade-jelly-and-biscuits-and-other-foods-people-outside-of-the-us-have-wrong/483401/140 "2009-01-30T00:22:01Z")
> [@GorillaMan](#): > > I don’t get what the argument about orange juice is all about. Since we’re in an etymological discussion about what things are called, and why, some of us are spinning theories about word usage while others are talking recipes. I have no idea why that is. On to other things: why d’you call 'em _swedes?_🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lemonade-jelly-and-biscuits-and-other-foods-people-outside-of-the-us-have-wrong/483401.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lemonade-jelly-and-biscuits-and-other-foods-people-outside-of-the-us-have-wrong/483401.md?page=8)