# "Lest We Forget" **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [August 29, 2010, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lest-we-forget/551882 "2010-08-29T13:54:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2010, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lest-we-forget/551882/1 "2010-08-29T13:54:35Z")
No need to remind anybody what date is approaching. Please refer to [Nostalgia for old threads?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12853826)which I started 08-26-2010, 06:58 AM and which led this morning to this post there: > [@](#): > > #15 Today, 08:37 AM > Zeldar > Guest Join Date: Jun 2003 > > I highly suspect that the first post alluding to the events of the day may be in a thread with an earlier start date. Finding The First Post of the tragedy my come more slowly. > > I’ll be looking… > > So as to attract more research help from other Dopers, I’m going to start a new thread on the topic “Lest We Forget” and point to this thread as the impetus for the theme. > > We ought to get some closure on this before the day is out. “This” being the search for 9/11/2001 commentary by Dopers. It’s difficult to imagine that this issue hasn’t been addressed before, and I’m not wanting to replow old ground. But if we can point to threads, posts, even, that help to revisit what Dopers saw, heard, felt and said about that day, maybe this thread could be a resource for revisiting the time. Pointing to threads with similar motivation would be a good start. But it is my personal goal to locate the first POST (in whatever thread) that pins down _when_ SDMB began to discuss the events in real time. Your help in this search is hereby solicited. Other ideas on the issue are welcomed. Mods, please put this thread wherever is best. I’m choosing ATMB as a best guess. ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2010, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lest-we-forget/551882/2 "2010-08-29T14:14:17Z")
Preliminary findings: ======================= [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=86459](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=86459) What’s happening in NY? 09-11-2001, 08:08 AM Dinsdale Guest Join Date: May 2000 Just heard on the radio that 2 planes crashed into the 2 world trade towers. WTF?! ======================= > **[World Trade Center Plane Crash](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=86458)** > > I’ve just heard about this from a friend, and I’m wondering if anyone has details - how bad it is, exactly what happened, anything? If it’s as bad as it’s been made out to me so far… my greatest sympathies go to the families of everyone involved. World Trade Center Plane Crash 09-11-2001, 08:03 AM Living Dead Girl Guest Join Date: Mar 2001 I’ve just heard about this from a friend, and I’m wondering if anyone has details - how bad it is, exactly what happened, anything? If it’s as bad as it’s been made out to me so far… my greatest sympathies go to the families of everyone involved. ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2010, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lest-we-forget/551882/3 "2010-08-29T16:59:46Z")
Using the Archives to try to zoom in on the 9/11/2001 time frame, here are the closest by forum: ============================== Archives [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php) 250 threads per page – About This Message Board P. 10 – Thread 2323 [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-86733.html](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-86733.html) > **[New, temporary forum?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=86733)** > > I’ve noticed gobs of thread across many forae regarding yesterday’s events. While some are definately GQ, the GD, IMHO and MPSIMS threads have many similarities; there seems to be quite a bit of redundancy of OPs. It is possible, or even reasonable,... New, temporary forum? 09-12-2001, 01:37 PM Spritle – The BBQ Pit P. 21 – Thread 4915 [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-86464.html](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-86464.html) > **[Fucking terrorists](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=86464)** > > May God, Jehovah, or Allah have mercy on their misguided, destructive, angry souls. May the United States hunt the group responsible down and torture them to within an inch of their freaking lives! Cut funding for defense? No bloody likely now, you... Fucking terrorists 09-11-2001, 08:41 AM PunditLisa – Mundane Pointless Stuff I Must Share (MPSIMS) P. 110 – Thread 27404 [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-86458.html](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-86458.html) > **[World Trade Center Plane Crash](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=86458)** > > I’ve just heard about this from a friend, and I’m wondering if anyone has details - how bad it is, exactly what happened, anything? If it’s as bad as it’s been made out to me so far… my greatest sympathies go to the families of everyone involved. World Trade Center Plane Crash 09-11-2001, 08:03 AM Living Dead Girl – General Questions P. 121 – Thread 30244 [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-86463.html](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-86463.html) > **[World Trade C enter attacked!?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=86463)** > > Two planes went through the World Trade Centre? Another terrorist attack? World Trade C enter attacked!? 09-11-2001, 08:21 AM BuddhaDog In My Humble Opinion P. 31 – Thread 7715 [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-86487.html](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-86487.html) > **[We Will Find You (Terrorists Beware)](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=86487)** > > And when we do, you will pay. I am currently attempting to restrain myself from advocating nuclear retaliation for the terrorist attacks on our country. I do not know how successfully I will continue to refrain from doing so. Our country has the... We Will Find You (Terrorists Beware) 09-11-2001, 11:32 AM Zenster – Great Debates P. 23 – Thread 5711 [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-86470.html](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-86470.html) > **[Coordinated Terrorist Attacks](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=86470)** > > Two planes deliberately crashed into the World Trade Center this morning, and there was another plane crash at the Pentagon. The debate? What do we do? It’s really easy to talk “sense” to Israel when they get bombed. What do we do when it’s... Coordinated Terrorist Attacks 09-11-2001, 08:54 AM Joe\_Cool – Cafe Society P. 2 – Thread 363 [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-86432.html](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-86432.html) > **[What's The Scariest Movie Music Ever?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=86432)** > > My vote goes for the Original Planet of The Apes on that one. Jesus, that’s some unnerving music. Try waking up to that one morning. Any out there that can top it? What’s The Scariest Movie Music Ever? 09-10-2001, 11:45 PM Mercutio ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2010, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lest-we-forget/551882/4 "2010-08-29T17:27:15Z")
[Cartooniverse’s thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=87248) about his experiences working as an EMT in the immediate aftermath. ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2010, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lest-we-forget/551882/5 "2010-08-29T17:45:01Z")
Here’s [Wikipedia’s Timeline using EDT.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_timeline#6:02_.E2.80.93_6:52_am) SDMB times are an hour earlier because of CDT timestamping. > [@](#): > > 8:46:40: Flight 11 crashes at roughly 490 mph (790km/h or 219m/s or 425 knots) into the north face of the North Tower (1 WTC) of the World Trade Center, between floors 93 and 99. (Many early accounts gave times between 8:45 and 8:50). The aircraft enters the tower mostly intact. It plows to the building core, severing all three gypsum-encased stairwells, dragging combustibles with it. A massive shock wave travels down to the ground and up again. The combustibles and the remnants of the aircraft are ignited by the burning fuel. As the building lacks a traditional full cage frame and depends almost entirely on the strength of a narrow structural core running up the center, fire at the center of the impact zone is in a position to compromise the integrity of all internal columns. People below the severed stairwells start to evacuate—no one above the impact zone is able to do so. > > French filmmaker Jules Naudet and Czech immigrant Pavel Hlava videotape the crash of Flight 11 with their video cameras from different locations. A WNYW TV camera records the sound, but not the image, of the crash. > [@](#): > > 8:48:08: The first television report of an incident at the World Trade Center is broadcast locally in New York by WNYW less than two minutes after the plane crashed into the North Tower. WNYW breaks into a Paramount Pictures movie trailer for Zoolander with the first live TV pictures of black smoke coming from the North Tower, relayed by a WNYW cameraman at ground level. One of the station’s camera crews already had been out on the street that morning for New York’s mayoral primary election. As WNYW broadcasts the first live pictures of smoke, the voice of reporter Dick Oliver is heard from the scene: “Jim, just a few moments ago, something believed to be a plane crashed into the South Tower of the World Trade Center.” WNYW reporting would eventually correct the location of the first plane crash from the South Tower to the North Tower. Oliver was referring to WNYW anchor Jim Ryan, who was not seen or heard on-air during the initial seconds of WNYW’s first report of the disaster. Around the same time the first radio report of the incident is heard on WCBS-AM through traffic reporter Tom Kaminski, who was flying in the station’s traffic helicopter and was set to deliver his 8:48 traffic report when the incident took place. The report is led into as normal with anchor Pat Carroll throwing to Kaminski in the chopper for the report, and Kaminski then relaying what he’s seeing, “WCBS News time 8:48 it’s traffic and weather together sponsored by Henry Miller’s Theatre. Tom Kaminski Chopper 880, Alright uh, Pat we are just currently getting a look at the World Trade Center, We have something that has happened here at the World Trade Center, we noticed flame and an awful lot of smoke from one of the towers of the World Trade Center.” ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2010, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lest-we-forget/551882/6 "2010-08-29T19:40:54Z")
There ought to be a way with some software to look through threads with older start dates for mention of various keywords that would possibly point to news of the 9/11 attacks, but lacking that ability myself, I have gone brute force through the sequential URL numbers starting with > **[What's The Scariest Movie Music Ever?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=86432)** > > My vote goes for the Original Planet of The Apes on that one. Jesus, that’s some unnerving music. Try waking up to that one morning. Any out there that can top it? and have concluded that if this is not **the first** then it’s close to the first dealing directly with the events of the day. ======================================================= [World Trade Center Plane Crash](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=86458) 09-11-2001, 08:03 AM Living Dead Girl > [@](#): > > I’ve just heard about this from a friend, and I’m wondering if anyone has details - how bad it is, exactly what happened, anything? > > If it’s as bad as it’s been made out to me so far… my greatest sympathies go to the families of everyone involved. ======================================================= Using the Wiki timeline and converting to CDT, this thread was started close to 15 minutes from the time of the first news reports of the first plane’s crash. And if the Dopers who posted in that thread can bring their memories to bear on other threads that day, it would be helpful. They are: Who Posted? Total Posts: 401 User Name Posts Arden Ranger 18 Paul The Younger 13 Ruby 10 Johnny L.A. 10 Lute Skywatcher 9 Damhna 8 Fern Forest 8 TheLoadedDog 7 dropzone 7 lno 6 galen ubal 6 Shadowfox 6 BunnyGirl 6 xash 6 andygirl 5 erislover 5 LifeOnWry 5 wayward 5 aegypt 5 lurkernomore 5 Barbarian 4 that\_darn\_cat 4 bouv 4 Nymysys 4 Living Dead Girl 4 Kamikazee 4 SterlingNorth 4 Enderw24 4 FallenAngel 4 dragongirl 4 The Punkyova 4 shelbo 4 Rilchiam 3 Persephone 3 CrankyAsAnOldMan 3 manhattan 3 Jack Batty 3 Ennui 3 OxyMoron 3 Juniper200 3 Sealemon88 3 IzzyR 3 Formerly Bandersnatch 3 Soda 3 Kricket 2 screech-owl 2 Mahaloth 2 Patty O’Furniture 2 omni-not 2 FairyChatMom 2 moi 2 saepiroth 2 ultrafilter 2 Semp 2 matt\_mcl 2 Lord Jim 2 Jonathan Chance 2 Dinsdale 2 Amp 2 Toolie 2 Legomancer 2 ShibbOleth 2 RalfCoder 2 TroubleAgain 2 bdgr 2 pldennison 2 Shayna 2 Flutterby 2 Mauvaise 2 Mercutio 2 Francesca 2 frock75 2 Elvis 2 John Corrado 2 bernse 2 OpalCat 2 Qwisp 2 UncleBeer 2 Kiki 2 Natural-J-Bankie 2 Anal Scurvy 2 Eutychus 1 Hello Again 1 Doobieous 1 pezpunk 1 LateComer 1 Spiny Norman 1 yojimbo 1 soulsling 1 Gunslinger 1 The Man Who 1 Bubba Ray 1 jpariury 1 Acco40 1 AbbySthrnAccent 1 Servo 1 Kwyjibo 1 Ellen Cherry 1 Sue Duhnym 1 Padeye 1 Billdo 1 MsRobyn 1 Medea’s Child 1 MannyL 1 tevya 1 elmwood 1 VanLandry 1 Jane D’oh! 1 WordMan 1 NotMrKnowItAll 1 Kbean 1 Rodd Hill 1 Poysyn 1 spooje 1 ArchiveGuy 1 Friday 1 RickJay 1 mongrel\_8 1 A Monkey With a Gun 1 Heath Doolin 1 rowrrbazzle 1 Scylla 1 casdave 1 Mars Horizon 1 Anonymous Coward 1 fecal\_nugget 1 Skerri 1 handy 1 Gundhilde 1 Why A Duck 1 Coldfire 1 GuanoLad 1 Monster104 1 iampunha 1 jk1245 1 Rasa 1 tiny ham 1 Shmoo 1 tavalla 1 dentarthurdent 1 Jeannie 1 Catrandom 1 Cabbage 1 wolfman 1 Heloise 1 Zenster 1 Oicu812 1 Muad’Dib 1 Wolverine 1 hardygrrl 1 shannybonanny 1 DAVEW0071 1 Ukulele Ike 1 Biggirl 1 vanilla 1 JavaMaven1 1 Tansu 1 Dr\_Paprika 1 GSV Consolation of Dreams 1 NotWithoutRage 1 dogbutler 1 GingerOfTheNorth 1 k.os 1 Çyrin 1 capybara 1 Rosebud 1 struuter 1 Mirage 1 lucwarm 1 Totoro 1 caveman 1 Phallyn 1 Ganryu Kojiro 1 Deej 1 Show Thread & Close Window ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2010, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lest-we-forget/551882/7 "2010-08-29T19:45:59Z")
We also did a small digest of some of the more salient posts here : [http://www.teemings.net/extras/wakeofthefire/index.html](http://www.teemings.net/extras/wakeofthefire/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![HardlySanguine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HardlySanguine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HardlySanguine)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2010, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lest-we-forget/551882/8 "2010-08-29T20:24:26Z")
A couple of these overlap with the ones you already posted, Zeldar: [A Poem for Today, 9/11/01](http://boardstest.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=1600696) [The World Trade Center Terrorist Action](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=86472) [World Trade Center Memories](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=86606) [World Trade Center Plane Crash](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=86458) [World Trade Center](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=86465) [And the Profiteering Begins](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=86524) [Am I a bad person because I don’t want to hear about the WTC?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=86496) [Black Boxes](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=86568) [Want a pissed off Building? Planes hit Trade Towers](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=86461) [WTC Bombing and TV Stations](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=1604362) [Fucking Terrorists](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=86464) [It truly was the “World” Trade Center](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=86534) All of the above contain posts on 9-11. (Google search: “site:straightdope.com “09-11-01” +trade” and +towers) ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2010, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lest-we-forget/551882/9 "2010-08-29T20:44:24Z")
Thanks for the great contributions, **HardlySanguine** and **Eutychus**. Since it was nearly two years later before I began participating at SDMB, I’ve had to get a sense of how things were then by reading threads and articles by people who were there. I can only imagine the mood that day. Even now I see skylines of NYC in movies and photos and such that include the towers and I can’t stop the tears. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2010, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lest-we-forget/551882/10 "2010-08-29T21:17:13Z")
> [@Zeldar](#): > > And if the Dopers who posted in that thread can bring their memories to bear on other threads that day, it would be helpful. My memories are exactly in [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=86458), starting with post #2. I was wrong about the aircraft, first because of a typo, and second because my later correction was wrong. But it was an event-in-progress, so details were few. ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2010, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lest-we-forget/551882/11 "2010-08-29T21:29:59Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > > [@Zeldar](#): > > > > And if the Dopers who posted in that thread can bring their memories to bear on other threads that day, it would be helpful. > > My memories are exactly in [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=86458), starting with post #2. > > I was wrong about the aircraft, first because of a typo, and second because my later correction was wrong. But it was an event-in-progress, so details were few. Thanks, **Johnny L.A.** – I’ve been reading it ever since I posted the link. My heart is pounding here almost nine years later. You folks were amazing to get that much info and that much emotion expressed here in that thread. As for details being a bit off, I’m astounded you got so many of them right! ---
**Author:** ![Gukumatz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/74df32/32.png) [@Gukumatz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gukumatz)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2010, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lest-we-forget/551882/12 "2010-08-29T22:22:59Z")
The creepiest thing I ever saw was the SMS dump on Wikileaks. The entire day, transcribed. ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2010, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lest-we-forget/551882/13 "2010-08-29T22:32:15Z")
> [@Gukumatz](#): > > The creepiest thing I ever saw was the SMS dump on Wikileaks. The entire day, transcribed. Would that be this: [http://nexus404.com/Blog/2009/11/27/wikileaks-unveils-sms-messages-sent-on-911-500000-sept-11-2001-text-messages-made-public/](http://nexus404.com/Blog/2009/11/27/wikileaks-unveils-sms-messages-sent-on-911-500000-sept-11-2001-text-messages-made-public/) ? If so, this is my first exposure to it and I’m not sure what to think. Could you share a few more thoughts on it, especially if this is not what you meant? ---
**Author:** ![Sinisterniik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/51bf81/32.png) [@Sinisterniik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinisterniik)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lest-we-forget/551882/14 "2010-08-30T03:46:23Z")
I just wanted to thank Zeldar for starting this thread. I think that it’s a somber and fitting way to remember that day. ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lest-we-forget/551882/15 "2010-08-30T03:55:16Z")
> [@Sinisterniik](#): > > I just wanted to thank Zeldar for starting this thread. I think that it’s a somber and fitting way to remember that day. You’re welcome. You can see in the linked thread in the OP that it just developed organically from a query about “To Kill A Mockingbird”! I don’t mean to make more of that than there is, but it’s a little odd in its own way. My thanks go to those who have followed up with posts of some stunning quality. Maybe by the day’s return we can have a real memorial built. We can only hope that that day’s horror won’t return during our lifetimes. I was born three days before Pearl Harbor, but don’t remember a thing about it. All I know of it has been through others’ eyes. In a way, my awareness of the real damage to our country has come in much the same way. These threads are vivid reminders. ---
**Author:** ![chacoguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/50afbb/32.png) [@chacoguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chacoguy)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lest-we-forget/551882/16 "2010-08-30T23:56:48Z")
So, does anyone know what happened to the poster named “ **vix** ”? ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lest-we-forget/551882/17 "2010-08-31T00:06:38Z")
She was okay. I think she arrived at work after the first plane but before the second. She might be the one whose co-worker was hit by falling debris from the second impact, but **vix** herself was unhurt, albeit jobless. Of course it’s better to merely lose your job, rather than your life or even a limb. But when you think about it, 9/11 was the ultimate downsizing. Not just office workers, but WotW staff, parking attendants, security, custodial staff, retail workers in the shopping center…Thousands of people showed up _for work_ that day, work that abruptly no longer existed. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lest-we-forget/551882/18 "2010-08-31T01:47:27Z")
[Would a plane crash be enough to take out a WTC tower?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=86499) Started by **Ultrafilter** on the day of the attacks. Weirdly prescient given the conspiracy nonsense that arose after the attacks. I’m glad to see the consensus answer was yes. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lest-we-forget/551882/19 "2010-08-31T01:48:49Z")
There’s also a GQ thread, started earlier in 2001, which discusses the feasibility of landing every plane in the US at once. Bumped on 9/11 or shortly thereafter. ---
**Author:** ![HardlySanguine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HardlySanguine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HardlySanguine)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lest-we-forget/551882/20 "2010-08-31T04:42:37Z")
Stumbled across [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=531547), from last year, while browsing through MPSIMS, if anyone’s interested in a more recent perspective. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lest-we-forget/551882.md?page=2)