You got it.
First, Doctors
then: hunting teaches Responsible Gun Ownership
and: Keith Mehlin, chief of the Council Bluffs Police Department.
and of course the NRA, who for over 100 years has been teaching Responsible Gun Ownership, and a focus on ‘Punish the Criminal, not the gun owner.’
Your conclusion flops.
Yes, good point, I missed something. It’s been a rough week.
Then again, so has someone else. I’m not trying to prove an increase in the numbers of guns decreases crime. My intention was to demonstrate that the fear-mongers who said “allowing people to carry guns will result in shootouts on the streets” were wrong.
My apologies to anyone I misquoted or misunderstood.
Snake
Er… In none of these links it is mentioned that their interpretation of “responsible” is going into the direction Fear itself suggested.
And from the third link comes this paragraph:
Shooting sparrows and pigeons is responsible gun ownership? Color me confused (and worried)…
Thank you for proving my assertiion. All of your cites use a narrow and disingenuous definition of “responsible gun ownership”. No where do they suggest that gun owners are responsible for crimes or tragedies committed because they failed to secure their guns. In fact, none of your cites even offer any definition of “responsible gun ownership”.
It looks like you lose again.
And you probably won’t find any cites were gun owners say they should go to jail for someone else’s criminal actions. If someone breaks into my house, steals one of my firearms, and then commits another crime, I’m responsible? If you park your car at a 7-11 or Circle K, it gets stolen and the crack head who stole it crashes into and kills a family of four, are you responsible? Tragedies are just that, and one’s committed via negligent discharge of a firearm are far less than what’s reported in the media.
Unfortunately, there are irresponsible gun owners in the world, hopefully law enforcement and Darwin’s theory will win out and thin their ranks.
Gun owners are already legally responsible, under the laws that deal with reckless endangerment, criminal negligence, manslaughter, discharging within city limits etc. Responsibility means just what it says. Treat it carefully, never point it at anyone, never shoot in the air because the bullet will come down somewhere, never leave it where the kids can get to it, and NEVER assume it is unloaded.
Looks like you just read selectively and impose your narrow and disingenuous definition of “responsible gun ownership” on everything you read.
Sorry, you’re outgunned.
Perhaps. So why don’t you just post a quote of the exact passage from your cites that proves me wrong? You can do that, can’t you?
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This single quote is so entirely frightening that it bears repetition.
I would encourage you, sir, to provide us all with overwhelming cite proving that arming school teachers and Administrators provides for a safer and more healthy educational environment in the United States of America.
No, forget that. That’s silly. I would encourage you to provide us all with a single cite proving this.
While culling through what must be hundreds of cites supporting this idea, you may stumble across This Worldwide selection of School Gun Assaults and Murders. It does not support your idea. I felt it was worth sharing here anyway.
Just thought I’d add some hard facts in here.
Cartooniverse, devout Pacifist
No problem - glad I was of help. On the rape thing (slight hijack sorry) - it is reported rape that is increasing. Women are finding it easier to report rape now.
Sure… as I get the time. Priorities, and all that.
Please be patient, or (novel idea) read more with a discerning eye!
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Those crickets so hate to be ignored.
It seems the problem in part lies in the assumption that problems with crime and violence are the same throughout the US. City problems are different than suburban/rural problems. That seems to account for the difference in attitudes toward firearms. I live in a city. I think the “less guns” approach is the one for my area. I also believe that the availability of a gun creates the potential for a crime of passion, and that this issue transcends geographic boundaries.
Certainly worth sharing. It shows that exclusionism and bigotry account for most cases of school terror, murders and massacres.
Can we not teach our children well?
Sorry about that. Like I said, it’s been a rough week.
Your description of responsibility is ludicrous.
If I steal your car and run over someone should you be responsible?
We have laws for a reason. laws thAT HAVE BEEN DEBATED AND WELL-THOUGHT-OUT. If you break the law you are responsible. You are irresponsible; trying to blame the victims for the crimes.
Fear Itself’s car is not intended to injure or kill living things, whereas a gun is. If you steal his car and kill someone, you are using his car for a purpose not intended by its original design. If you steal his weapon (because it was irresponsibly stored) and use it for the basic purpose it was designed for, he is responsible for allowing access to a deadly instrument.
Granted, that scenario requires regulations on the storage of firearms, but you get the idea.
This rhetoric does not make his car any less deadly; nor is his responsibility to ensure it does not fall into the wrong hands any different than that of a firearm.
Would you feel better if your child was killed by an instrument not designed to kill?
The responsibility for any dangerous object should be the same, whether a gun, a machete, a car or a nuke. If you are taking the responsibility to own it you should also be responsible for ensuring its safe use. If someone circumvents your legal efforts to ensure its safety, they take the responsibility upon themselves.
I agree. There should be laws to ensure safe storage of firearms. In some jurisdictions, (like where I live), there are.
But that isn’t what was brought up. A car is not an explicit weapon, it is an object of transportation that may in rare cases be used as a weapon. The example provided was that of a dangerous animal bred and often trained for extreme violence – i.e., a weapon. I don’t like arguments by analogy, however let’s take a look at this one. If your pitbull breaks out of the shabby enclosure you built and mauls someone to death, you are responsible because you didn’t live up to your obligations to keep your society safe from your dangerous weapon; if someone steals your gun, it’s possible you have been lax in your gun responsibility, and again society will suffer because of it.
If you walk your pitbull without a leash and it goes on a rampage, you are responsible, right? If you leave your gun loaded and in easy reach somewhere at work or home or in the car, it seems to me you should be responsible for what happens if it is stolen.
I do not find it exotic to think that quite a few gun owners would prefer less liability rather than more. That, I believe, was the thrust of Call me frank, though I don’t know to what extent existing laws are suitable nor how they vary from state to state.
(Of course, if someone breaks in your house, chloroforms you while you sleep, proceeds to wreck your house looking for your safely locked away gun, and takes off with it, that is another story – it can be argued that you were responsible gun owner, but were simply bested by a criminal under the circumstances.)
And who is the arbitrator of what is responsibly stored? I can see some liability for pulling into a 7-11, going into the store and leaving your 9mm sitting on the seat (many CCW classes address these types of scenarios). But am I liable if it sits on my coffee table? In the closet? In a safe? What may seem reasonable to you may seem big brother to others. And how do you enforce safe storage? House to house searches? Registration, so the cops know who exactly owns a firearm?
SteveG1 posted this earlier (#81), and I think his post sums it up nicely.
That that may be considered rhetoric does not negate the accuracy of the statement you are referring to.
I’m 20, so I’d prefer being child-free, at the moment 
Hypothetically, I believe I would feel worse if I knew their death could have easily been prevented through the exercise of strict gun storage regulations.
Pennsylvania’s Gun Laws.
Yeah, I know it’s from the Brady Campaign site, but my cursory search didn’t find a more objective cite and I’m not too interested in a more thorough search at the moment…Call me Lazy 
What would qualify as reasonably safe storage is something of another debate. But, just for kicks and giggles, I’d say reasonable rules for unlocked, containerless storage (which would include a gun with a child safety lock) would involve the weapon being kept in an unloaded, non-fireable state. So on the coffee table and in the closet are out, but in the safe would probably be ok (would prefer it to be unloaded and non-fireable there too, but some might call that unreasonable).