# Let me be real clear: this message board does NOT need conservatives **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 28, 2021, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474 "2021-07-28T02:12:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/181 "2021-07-28T19:56:37Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Then why do you spend so much time here? Same reason people do drugs: for the buzz! ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/182 "2021-07-28T19:57:10Z")
Dude, quit shitting on Gigo’s English, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with it and you look like a raving lunatic. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/183 "2021-07-28T19:57:35Z")
You always miss context, I was referring of course to the antivaccine message that many on the right are irresponsibly doing right now. ---
**Author:** ![ZosterSandstorm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e0b2c6/32.png) [@ZosterSandstorm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZosterSandstorm)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/184 "2021-07-28T19:59:14Z")
So in response to me pointing out that you randomly accuse people of being anti-vaxxers with no basis when they disagree with you on totally unrelated issues, you … accused me of being an anti-vaxxer. It really is too easy sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/185 "2021-07-28T20:00:01Z")
And there is an investigation on Gaetz that started under the Trump administration. In both cases we’re waiting to see what will happen. In Gaetz’s case all we have (so far) is anonymous rumors. With Cuomo we have public allegations and yet the thread on Gaetz’s is much longer than the one on Cuomo. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/186 "2021-07-28T20:03:31Z")
> [@ZosterSandstorm](#): > > So in response to me pointing out that you randomly accuse people of being anti-vaxxers with no basis when they disagree with you on totally unrelated issues, you … accused me of being an anti-vaxxer. > > It really is too easy sometimes. It would be easy then to take on the conservative leaders and media that do that no? So why do you think your distraction of trying to put down the one that points that out is more important than admitting to one big issue where many conservatives are nuts? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/187 "2021-07-28T20:03:34Z")
LOL and you, unironically, claim HIS English is bad? This is too fucking much 😅🤣😂😅🤣😂 ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/188 "2021-07-28T20:03:54Z")
Where are the Republicans denouncing Gaetz and demanding he resign? I’m only aware of one. And where are the Democrats who attempted a coup? > **[Andrew Cuomo is facing an extraordinary rebuke from his own party](https://www.vox.com/2021/3/13/22328860/andrew-cuomo-resign-democrats)** > > The New York governor says the growing calls for his resignation reflect "cancel culture." ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/189 "2021-07-28T20:10:06Z")
And with a rubber and glue argument, again ignoring any of the actual content of the previous post, I fill in the top right square! BINGO! ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/190 "2021-07-28T20:10:48Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > On the right, not so much, it’s just the same refrain of disingenuity and self martyrdom. > [@DemonTree](#): > > Can’t get much of a spectrum with only 2 or 3 people. snerk ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/191 "2021-07-28T20:11:15Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Where are the Republicans denouncing Gaetz and demanding he resign? I’m only aware of one. If/when the allegations become public and women publicly accuse Gaetz I expect some, if not many, republicans to rebuke him. Perhaps I will be wrong but we shall see. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/192 "2021-07-28T20:12:09Z")
Yeah, you’re wrong. And the Democrats who staged a coup? ---
**Author:** ![ZosterSandstorm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e0b2c6/32.png) [@ZosterSandstorm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZosterSandstorm)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/193 "2021-07-28T20:16:01Z")
If I sign an affidavit that I [voted for Biden, think vaccines should be mandatory, and want the 1/6 coup participants imprisoned](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-journey-pictures-long-af/945194/10), then do I get to argue for positions that most liberal Democrats agree with even if leftist ideologues don’t like them, or am I still a “conservative” who is “not needed” in a board that purports to have not one but two fora for good faith debate? What about all the other people being accused of worshipping Trump or supporting the coup or being antivax despite either expressing the exact opposite opinions or never speaking about those issues at all? Should their statements be notarized? Do you need carbon copies? PDF format okay? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/194 "2021-07-28T20:16:57Z")
> [@ZosterSandstorm](#): > > You derail _every_ thread you post in by accusing people of holding “conservative” positions of no relevance to the topic - barely a week ago you entered a thread about the way in which the rules of the Pit forum are applied to accusations of racism and out of nowhere accused **everyone else** of being an [anti-vaxxer](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-common-reason-to-be-pitted-appears-to-be-dishonesty/946422/224). (bolding added) What he actually said, bolding added: > [@Most common reason to be Pitted Appears to be Dishonesty?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-common-reason-to-be-pitted-appears-to-be-dishonesty/946422/224): > > Moving away from any racism, the issue of vaccines is also being dealt with in the worse way **by many conservatives out there**. > [@DemonTree](#): > > It was a total non-sequitur, and a wildly off-topic post that any other poster would have got at least a mod note for. Two posts later: > [@Most common reason to be Pitted Appears to be Dishonesty?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-common-reason-to-be-pitted-appears-to-be-dishonesty/946422/226): > > This thread seems to be going off in a bunch of different directions, many of which do not seem appropriate for ATMB. We also seem to have drifted pretty far from the original topic of this thread. Let me be clear: this message board does NOT need liars like these two. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/195 "2021-07-28T20:21:16Z")
> [@ZosterSandstorm](#): > > If I sign an affidavit that I [voted for Biden, think vaccines should be mandatory, and want the 1/6 coup participants imprisoned](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-journey-pictures-long-af/945194/10), then do I get to argue for positions that most liberal Democrats agree with even if leftist ideologues don’t like them, or am I still a “conservative” who is “not needed” in a board that purports to have not one but two fora for good faith debate? What about all the other people being accused of worshipping Trump or supporting the coup or being antivax despite either expressing the exact opposite opinions or never speaking about those issues at all? Should their statements be notarized? Do you need carbon copies? PDF format okay? You are allowed to debate any position you’d like even if you voted for Trump, hate vaccines, and was one of the 1/6 coup participants. It would be nice if you actually debated in good faith rather than spending all of your time whining about how unfairly you are being treated or lying about what other posters said, though. ---
**Author:** ![ZosterSandstorm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e0b2c6/32.png) [@ZosterSandstorm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZosterSandstorm)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/196 "2021-07-28T20:24:50Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > You are allowed to debate any position you’d like even if you voted for Trump, hate vaccines, and was one of the 1/6 coup participants. This is literally untrue both in reference to the explicit rules & mod instructions, and de facto untrue based on how threads are administered. It’s also exactly the notion that you are arguing is a bad state of affairs in this thread - what you are arguing is that people should not be allowed to debate any position you, the always correct leftist whose opponents are all bad faith racists, hold! “I haven’t succeeded in getting what I want, yet, therefore you are wrong in your assertions about whether what I want is good” is a stupid argument. > It would be nice if you actually debated in good faith rather than spending all of your time whining about how unfairly you are being treated, though. Would it? We’re in a thread about why that shouldn’t be allowed. You claiming I “should” do something while arguing in the same thread that doing that thing should be bannable is pretty tendentious. You can run whatever kind of board you want (and I mean “you” and “can” fairly literally, as your ideological bloc controls what goes on here). I can’t _stop you_ from claiming to have two or more “good faith debate” fora where any dissent from an incredibly narrow set of minority positions is bannable. But I sure can call it out as an idiotic thing to create or desire for as long as I am allowed to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/197 "2021-07-28T20:26:10Z")
> [@ZosterSandstorm](#): > > Would it? It would be real fuckin nice if you would at least _try_ debating in good faith for once. You might even like it! You’ll never know until you try! ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/198 "2021-07-28T20:34:33Z")
> [@ZosterSandstorm](#): > > This is literally untrue both in reference to the explicit rules & mod instructions, and de facto untrue based on how threads are administered. Fair enough, there are a handful of banned debate topics (flat earth, 9/11 trutherism). But you can debate ALMOST any position you’d like. > [@ZosterSandstorm](#): > > what you are arguing is that people should not be allowed to debate any position you, the always correct leftist whose opponents are all bad faith racists, hold! I am certainly not arguing this. Please point to the post where I said Martini should not be allowed to make his point, or admit that you’re completely full of shit. > [@ZosterSandstorm](#): > > “I haven’t succeeded in getting what I want, yet, therefore you are wrong in your assertions about whether what I want is good” is a stupid argument. I have no idea what you think I want, but actually, I HAVE succeeded in getting exactly what I want: the Pit is unchanged, so if you make racist or homophobic arguments, there is a place for me to point that out. > [@ZosterSandstorm](#): > > Would it? We’re in a thread about why that shouldn’t be allowed. You claiming I “should” do something while arguing in the same thread that doing that thing should be bannable is pretty tendentious. You are a lying liar who lies. I don’t think you should be banned for making these arguments, I think we should have a Pit where we can tell you what we really think about them. ---
**Author:** ![ZosterSandstorm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e0b2c6/32.png) [@ZosterSandstorm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZosterSandstorm)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/199 "2021-07-28T20:35:44Z")
So we are not in a thread about why everyone who disagrees with you is a “conservative” and “conservatives” shouldn’t be allowed anywhere on the board? Could have fooled me. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/200 "2021-07-28T20:42:54Z")
> [@ZosterSandstorm](#): > > So we are not in a thread about why everyone who disagrees with you is a “conservative” and “conservatives” shouldn’t be allowed anywhere on the board? Could have fooled me No, we aren’t - wow, your English really IS terrible, isn’t it? No wonder you have such a hard time understanding Gigo. > [@asahi](#): > > It just doesn’t. We don’t need “the other side” of the debate or whatever the hell issue we’re talking about **if they are committed to anti-intellectualism and deliberately undermining good faith discussion.** Emphasis mine. Also, this thread is in the Pit, not ATMB. So I doubt it’s a direct comment on the moderation/who should be banned or allowed to post here, but rather a response to the idea that we need to be careful not to “drive away” conservative posters by Pitting them or creating a hostile environment. Also also, just because I am posting in this thread doesn’t mean I agree 100% with the ideas of the OP. As much as it may surprise you to learn this, we aren’t ACTUALLY a hive mind. Also Also Also, I’m not sure what you mean by “everyone who disagrees with [me] is a conservative”, that certainly doesn’t sound like anything I’ve said. Also Also Also Also, I don’t know if you know this, but most human beings are more complex than a single axis. It is entirely possible for someone to be liberal on some issues and conservative on others, so saying “everyone who disagrees with me is a conservative” makes no sense at all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474.md?page=11)