# Let me be real clear: this message board does NOT need conservatives **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 28, 2021, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474 "2021-07-28T02:12:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 150
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/2992 "2021-11-12T04:12:25Z")
You are still attending high school? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/2993 "2021-11-12T14:48:50Z")
Yes, I am still attending high school. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/2994 "2021-11-13T02:11:29Z")
And that leads us to look at perspective, I administered, substituted and helped teachers in a couple of schools for the last 14 years. Never saw what you claim here. What I have seen is that what you talk about are training classes for businesses that teach about diversity, many from the right-wing twist what is taught in those courses into a caricature. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/2995 "2021-11-13T13:26:43Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Do YOU think children in grade 2 should be propagandized like this? Making up pledge cards with their pledge to fight for a political cause, then affirming it in front of the other kids? In grade 2? You may have missed it, not having any stake in this game, so that’s probably why you’re not completely freaking out over what happened earlier this week. Thursday was Veteran’s Day here in the United States. Across the country, children–elementary school children!–were taught about the “heroes” that “fight for our country,” and were assigned the project of making cards for veterans thanking them for their service. Given how outraged you were by the relatively innocuous lesson in which students were asked to find something they would stand up for, surely you must be apoplectic at this week’s much worse indoctrination. Did you not post about it because it made a vein pop in your forehead and you’re in the hospital? If so, I hope you recover soon, and I look forward to your lambasting school teachers across our foreign land for the blatant indoctrination we engaged in last week. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/2996 "2021-11-13T13:56:34Z")
If your point is that these are the things that are said in organizational trainings, and that the right can parlay that into complaints that their kids are being taught they’re bad because they’re white… yes. That is a summary of what I said. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/2997 "2021-11-13T14:38:36Z")
That has nothing to do with CRT, and everything to do with: 1. The propensity of businesses to take CYA half-measures for the sake of appearing “woke” (even as the people they think they are appealing to would cringe at the slur that word has become). 2. The propensity of conservatives (which I believe, increasingly, this message board really does not need) to take things out of context and use it to spew propaganda. CRT is not diversity training, the people giving your diversity training at whatever mandatory training sessions your business (or, god forbid, your school district) makes you attend however many times a year are probably not versed in CRT, and if the diversity training you are getting is shit, that doesn’t actually tell us anything about utility of CRT. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/2998 "2021-11-13T15:12:30Z")
I am pretty sure that Jimmy is talking about his experiences as a current high school student. Which makes me wonder if the people saying ‘whites are bad’ are other teenagers… ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/2999 "2021-11-13T15:20:05Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I am pretty sure that Jimmy is talking about his experiences as a current high school student. What? I’m either missing some deeper level of snark here, or you’re way way off base, or I’m misunderstanding the nature either of high school or of time. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/3000 "2021-11-13T15:37:34Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Yes, I am still attending high school. He says he is in high school like 5 posts above… So, I’m assuming when he said he attended CRT sessions in high school where he was taught ‘how bad it is to be white’, he is doing it in his current role as a student… ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/3001 "2021-11-13T15:38:14Z")
Did he join the messageboard when he was six months old, or was he being sarcastic? Hmmmm… ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/3002 "2021-11-13T15:40:32Z")
To be clear, > [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Has anyone ever defined Whiteness for you in a classroom setting? > > I have attended quite a few, Jimmy was talking about professional trainings, almost certainly. Gigo was joking about how this was a slight move from the conversation about CRT in schools. Jimmy was, I dunno, going along with the joke, or rolling his eyes contemptuously at the ribbing, or something. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/3003 "2021-11-13T15:40:50Z")
I don’t know. He isn’t one that falls on my radar a lot, so if he says straightforwardly that he is in high school, what am I supposed to do? Not believe him? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/3004 "2021-11-13T16:25:34Z")
You just have to click on his avatar to see “Joined Mar 2, '03” ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/3005 "2021-11-13T16:32:47Z")
I assume he’s in education, a teacher or administrator. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2021, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/3006 "2021-11-13T17:19:56Z")
Every time I post about me being in school I point out what I’m doing there, students attend school, teachers attend training classes. So far it looks that I was correct, **Jimmy** is not being precise and it results in an (unwillful?) attempt at being misleading. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/3007 "2021-11-17T13:35:30Z")
Naw, man, it’s all on me. I jumped in the middle of a conversation and made some incorrect assumptions about what I was reading. A first for this Board, I’m sure! ---
**Author:** ![Jeffmc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bcef8e/32.png) [@Jeffmc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jeffmc)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2022, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/3008 "2022-02-19T04:33:39Z")
I think there are only a few true conservatives left in this country. 45 exploited a swing to the radical that had been growing since the 70’s and managed to get it to a level of divisiveness that is alarming. The recent political climate with the RNC censure of their own party members over 1/6 are examples of exactly the type of rift that has developed and seems impossible at this time to fix. It means that there are those that believe in and rely on the available facts, attempt to actually research credible sources of information, and those still stuck in the conspiracy news/fake news/alternative facts world and mainstreamed in 2016-2017. Current facts surrounding the central figure that embraces science and facts when it got their narrative are disregarded as seen with current headlines of deflection of responsibility over classified materials brazenly mishandled and combativeness against their own self interests when it is perceived their are cast in a negative light. Recipient of cutting edge scientifically developed drugs to combat SARS-Cov2 yet peddling proven ineffective treatments and dangerous behaviors that endanger the population as a whole, no care for fellow citizens…these have become the identifiers with which most identify a “conservative” not those who have been moderates and what were conservatives of the past. So…how do we reconcile a moderate, science embracing conservative in this climate? We are given a binary choice, again as a result of current culture, of liberal or conservative…is there room for a politically agnostic, laodicean individual to participate? I hope so, but the burden, unfortunately, falls to you to identify as a Chaney/Kizenger conservative…or not at all. Just my opinion FWIW ---
**Author:** ![Mallard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Mallard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mallard)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2022, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/3009 "2022-03-18T16:30:32Z")
What exactly are “conservatives” in peoples’ minds. The type that espoused “Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall” or those that advocate “Poutine is a genius”? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2022, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/3010 "2022-03-18T17:19:28Z")
Anyone who still identifies with the Republican party. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2022, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/3011 "2022-03-18T17:21:38Z")
Anyone who still volunteers to let a Republican leopard eat their face in the belief that their face won’t be eaten. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474.md?page=149) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474.md?page=151)