# Let me be real clear: this message board does NOT need conservatives **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 28, 2021, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474 "2021-07-28T02:12:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/301 "2021-07-29T19:32:20Z")
**BigT** may be many things: pedantic, boring, long winded, sanctimonious, tiresome… but I’ve yet to find him being dishonest. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/302 "2021-07-29T19:33:35Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > The same is true when you bring up Cuomo to challenge stuff about Gaetz. As we continually point out, Democrats want Cuomo to resign, but he won’t. Republicans, no the other hand, always stick up for their guy until they can’t anymore. If you compare the way Democrats and Republicans deal with this stuff, it’s clearly different. But you act like it’s the same. Case in point, Al Franken. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/303 "2021-07-29T19:33:59Z")
It’s dishonest to not acknowledge that reeducation camps are far worse than being called a hive mind which is a response to the dishonest hive mind that labels any position they don’t like or understand \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ist. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/304 "2021-07-29T19:34:19Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Case in point, Al Franken. **BigT** is **Al Franken**?!? OMG. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/305 "2021-07-29T19:38:58Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > It’s dishonest to not acknowledge that reeducation camps are far worse than being called a hive mind which is a response to the dishonest hive mind that labels any position they don’t like or understand \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ist. Hmmm, let’s compare how the rest of us dealt with one bonkers guy on our side, vs how your whole side single-mindedly screams about hive minds in unison. How about that? Or we could acknowledge that there aren’t really “sides” here, and that @asahi may be nuts about some issues, but you are nothing but drivel 24/7. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/306 "2021-07-29T19:43:01Z")
I think if asked, **BigT** would concede that reeducation camps for Conservatives is a completely unacceptable position to put forward. Unrelatedly, I’ve argued against similarly preposterous rhetoric made by progressive posters against commonly targeted segments of society. But don’t take my word for it. @BigT: Is rhetoric in favor of reeducation camps for Conservatives worse than accusations of hive-mind Liberalism? ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/307 "2021-07-29T19:46:12Z")
There is also the question of signal to noise ratio. Lots of posters post snark. And since there are more liberal posters here there is more liberal snark. But what distinguishes Shodan, and Octopus (his replacement in this particular ecological niche) is that snark is just about all that he does post. Looking at his posting history, most of them are simplistic diatribes against liberals, he rarely has a post that is more than one or two sentences. Even when asahi does get off kilter he does at least take the time to explain his thought process. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/308 "2021-07-29T19:57:57Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > And then he argues that those who who push “egregious misinformation”—i.e. things that have been fact checked as being false—should get topic bans. Who decides what’s been fact-checked as being false? You? The mods? The [media](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/31/opinion/media-lab-leak-theory.html)? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/309 "2021-07-29T19:59:50Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > Who decides what’s been fact-checked as being false? You? The mods? The [media](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/31/opinion/media-lab-leak-theory.html)? . Let’s see. Is Bret Stephens a moderator here? No? So probably not him. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/310 "2021-07-29T20:03:57Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > But don’t take my word for it. @BigT: Is rhetoric in favor of reeducation camps for Conservatives worse than accusations of hive-mind Liberalism? Well, yes, obviously. The only reason why someone might think otherwise is that they don’t know what a “reeducation camp” actually is. It’s not just, say, extra education. It’s brainwashing, using thread of punishment and other psychological tactics to force people to believe a certain thing. That said, while I have seen that argued (by **asahi** ), I don’t see people continuing to post it after everyone tells them that it’s a horrible thing to say. The issue with @octopus doing the hive mind thing is that he keeps on repeating it. It’s part of his general pattern of posting things to piss people off so they get mad at him, and then he can play the victim. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/311 "2021-07-29T20:04:00Z")
Remember, kids: any media, scientists or posters that don’t agree with you are can be assumed to be biased against you rather than having any valid arguments. Any sources that _do_ agree with you are unimpeachable, and any argument another poster makes that you agree with is “well-reasoned”. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/312 "2021-07-29T20:06:08Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Well, yes, obviously. The only reason why someone might think otherwise is that they don’t know what a “reeducation camp” actually is. It’s not just, say, extra education. It’s brainwashing, using thread of punishment and other psychological tactics to force people to believe a certain thing. There you have it, @octopus. I think you owe someone an apology. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/313 "2021-07-29T20:14:17Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Remember, kids: any media, scientists or posters that don’t agree with you are can be assumed to be biased against you rather than having any valid arguments. Any sources that _do_ agree with you are unimpeachable, and any argument another poster makes that you agree with is “well-reasoned”. I wish fewer people acted like this was true. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/314 "2021-07-29T20:17:40Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Remember, kids: any media, scientists or posters that don’t agree with you are can be assumed to be biased against you rather than having any valid arguments. Any sources that _do_ agree with you are unimpeachable, and any argument another poster makes that you agree with is “well-reasoned”. Must not forget the important corollary: _You have a right to protection from offence from the expression of ideas you don’t agree with._ ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/315 "2021-07-29T20:20:25Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > I wish fewer people acted like this was true. Me too. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/316 "2021-07-29T20:42:41Z")
> [@TheCuse](#): > > Sigh… I was only asking a question. Sigh… At the risk of starting a passive-aggressive tug of war, did you understand the point before you asked the question? I got the impression you didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/317 "2021-07-29T20:43:52Z")
Alright! Sorry BigT! ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/318 "2021-07-29T20:46:20Z")
Say it like you mean it now. Post right @ him. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/319 "2021-07-29T20:49:32Z")
I don’t do @s. Sorry. But I wouldn’t have typed an apology in the Pit of all places if I wasn’t sincere. The pit a place where you can call female posters a cunt but will get banned over a harpy reference isn’t a place where’d you expect any apologies but I mischaracterized BigT’s position and I stand corrected. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/320 "2021-07-29T20:53:16Z")
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