# Let me be real clear: this message board does NOT need conservatives **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 28, 2021, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474 "2021-07-28T02:12:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/644 "2021-08-03T01:46:52Z")
We get it, you only care about your internal code. Your virtue signaling is very strong. And kudos to you, I just don’t understand why you need to whine constantly. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/645 "2021-08-03T01:51:57Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > For example, the notion that minorities cannot possibly be racist aginst white people, because racism is always ‘punching down’. This is a misunderstanding of different meanings of the word “racist” > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Or that it’s totally okay to call a religious Tea Partier a ‘tea bagger’ knowing it’s horribly offensive to them, while excoriating someone from the right who doesn’t add the ‘ic’ to the end of ‘Democrat’ because it’s so offensive to not say 'Democratic". And this is just wrong. Every single person\* who ever called members of the Tea Party “Tea Baggers” knew they were being offensive (and making a sexual reference). And if you called them on it, they would have admitted they were intending to offend. Republicans dropped the “ic” from Democratic because they didn’t want to admit that their opponents support Democracy, but deny that the goal is to be offensive. .\* as with most used of the phrase “every single…” there were no doubt a few clueless people mixed in there, especially at first. But it didn’t take long before most of them were clued in, and either stopped using the term, or did so with malice aforethought. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/646 "2021-08-03T01:56:07Z")
Sam Stone is triggered easily. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/647 "2021-08-03T01:57:25Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Sam Stone is triggered easily Yeah, he’s a real snowflake ❄ ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/648 "2021-08-03T01:58:08Z")
A real cupcake. A pansy. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/649 "2021-08-03T02:03:48Z")
I disagree. He just has this overwhelming urge to make himself a powerless victim despite his posturing as some Heinlein hero. This conflict leads to his whining. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/650 "2021-08-03T02:05:42Z")
No, actually I just don’t like bad manners, hypocrisy, and assholes. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/651 "2021-08-03T02:10:54Z")
You see it ultimately comes down to throwing a tantrum because others don’t immediately genuflect to the superiority of his internal code. Only he gets to be autonomous. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/652 "2021-08-03T02:31:48Z")
A tantrum? I’m not the one pitting people constantly so I can go off on them. You might want to check a mirror. The pit should be renamed, “The Tantrum Zone.” ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/653 "2021-08-03T02:34:45Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > The pit should be renamed, “The Tantrum Zone.” - Is this the height of Canadian sarcasm or what? ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/654 "2021-08-03T02:40:53Z")
Let him be. If he needs this I’m not not going to take it away from him. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/655 "2021-08-03T03:01:00Z")
There, there, Sam Stone. This is your safe space. We’ll give you some chamomile tea to calm you down. Just relax. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/656 "2021-08-03T06:53:12Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > It’s not symmetric though, because one claim does not need to speak for all people, while the other does. No it doesn’t. The claims in my post refer to declaring something offensive or inoffensive objectively and for everyone. The person in region A taking offence would be arrogant to tell the person in region B that their usage is objectively offensive and vice versa. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/657 "2021-08-03T07:19:22Z")
> [@ZosterSandstorm](#): > > It’s very simple - the prevailing _ **ideology** _ is very happy to debate with you as long as you are acting in good faith and based on facts and logic. They just also want you to know that anyone who disagrees with them is stupid, or a racist, or both, and is incapable of acting in good faith or using facts and logic. What’s the confusion here? You misspelled _empiricism_. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/658 "2021-08-03T07:23:00Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > About the OP, I believe we’d be better if we had conservatives here too. Right? What with all the reactionary radicalism, some conservatism would be downright refreshing. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/659 "2021-08-03T07:34:49Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > You misspelled _empiricism_ . No he didn’t. Neither side gives a shit about evidence when it happens to contradict their preferred ideological beliefs. Worse, one side is overwhelmingly over-represented in academia, most especially in social science departments, and has now started to apply an ideological filter in academic journal publishing. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/660 "2021-08-03T08:17:50Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > This is a misunderstanding of different meanings of the word “racist” If it is, it’s a misunderstanding that’s extremely prevalent among people on the left. > [@puzzlegal](#): > > And this is just wrong. Every single person\* who ever called members of the Tea Party “Tea Baggers” knew they were being offensive (and making a sexual reference). And if you called them on it, they would have admitted they were intending to offend. Republicans dropped the “ic” from Democratic because they didn’t want to admit that their opponents support Democracy, but deny that the goal is to be offensive. Okay, so you’re _purposely_ being horribly offensive to a group of people, and meanwhile calling that same group out for accidentally being offensive to other groups of people? Doesn’t that seem just the teeniest, tiniest bit hypocritical to you? Whatever happened to treating others the way you want them to treat you? ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/661 "2021-08-03T08:29:40Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > That’s basically enabling the mob to decide social mores. There have been many times in the past where large numbers of people found things offensive that today we would recoil at. > > For example, in the early and mid 20th century African-Americans had to curtail a lot of activities and speech not because it was illegal, hut because it would be ‘offensve’. For example, eating lunch in an all-white diner. Sure, and that’s the third factor to consider. In discussing whether we should recommend against an action due to offending people, we should consider 1) How many people it offends 2) to what degree but also, yes, 3) How much it curtails the freedom of the person being asked not to do it. In this discussion, we were talking about safe terms to use to suggest someone is of low intelligence. Switching terms is not a big deal; It’s not a huge inconvenience and we all have to do it anyway as language evolves. It was not a great hardship to overnight switch from using the term “oriental”. That’s why I didn’t include factor (3) in my earlier breakdown; it’s not relevant to what we’re talking about here. > [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > No it doesn’t. The claims in my post refer to declaring something offensive or inoffensive objectively and for everyone. > The person in region A taking offence would be arrogant to tell the person in region B that their usage is objectively offensive and vice versa. You’ve quoted the part of my post where I stated my position, but not the part where I _explained_ my position and then gave an example to illustrate. Instead of just parroting your claim again, you might want to have a run at actually addressing the points. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/662 "2021-08-03T08:41:02Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > In this discussion, we were talking about safe terms to use to suggest someone is of low intelligence. Switching terms is not a big deal; It’s not a huge inconvenience and we all have to do it anyway as language evolves. It was not a great hardship to overnight switch from using the term “oriental”. > That’s why I didn’t include factor (3) in my earlier breakdown; it’s not relevant to what we’re talking about here. Why does it matter what word one uses when insulting someone (or in the actual example an idea) by saying it is stupid? If using a certain word is offensive, it can only be because the comparison itself is offensive, so why do we consider it acceptable to make the comparison with one word but not another? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/663 "2021-08-03T08:43:28Z")
A: They called themselves ‘tea baggers’ 'cause they’re not smart enough to look it up on Google with safesearch off. B: It not the _Democrat Party_ and Republicans have had decades to learn that, they use it out of spite. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474.md?page=34)