# Let me be real clear: this message board does NOT need conservatives **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 28, 2021, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474 "2021-07-28T02:12:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 46
**Author:** ![ZosterSandstorm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e0b2c6/32.png) [@ZosterSandstorm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZosterSandstorm)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2021, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/904 "2021-08-05T19:26:11Z")
Well, they _were_ infiltrating the schools. Now they’re being voted out of school boards on a daily basis and replaced with all sorts of people, some of whom are the actual far-right conservatives you think everyone is, because your side refused to give an inch or admit anything about what you were doing and those were the only alternative candidates. The reaping of what you’ve sown is not going to be pretty everywhere. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2021, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/905 "2021-08-05T19:36:22Z")
Yes, they want to teach my kids about radical leftists like Plato:) ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2021, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/906 "2021-08-05T20:21:32Z")
> [@ZosterSandstorm](#): > > > [@thorny\_locust](#): > > > > If the only argument someone can bring against a conservative’s statement is ‘yeah, you’d think that because you’re a conservative’, I would at least think less of their argument; because that’s not much, if anything, of a counter. > > But this is literally what GIGOBuster does in every thread including earlier in this one - characterize an argument (“specialized school programs should use objective tests to determine admission”) as “conservative,” bring up some other unrelated “conservative” position (antivax), then yell at the person making the argument about schools for being an anti-vax conservative. @GIGObuster’s posted in this thread as post numbers 46, 53. 55. 57, 59, 61, 65, 67, 72, 77, 83, 96, 156, 160, 166, 172, 175, 178, 183, 186, 232, 233, 370, 393, 398, 422, 423, 427, 455, and 458, according to the search function. I looked back through a random handful of those and didn’t see anything like what you’re talking about. Would you care to specify what post(s) you’re referring to? ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2021, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/907 "2021-08-05T21:12:19Z")
I believe he’s referring to this, which was referenced in this thread but not posted in it: > [@Most common reason to be Pitted Appears to be Dishonesty?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-common-reason-to-be-pitted-appears-to-be-dishonesty/946422/224): > > Moving away from any racism, the issue of vaccines is also being dealt with in the worse way by many conservatives out there. Further discussion or evidence is being dismissed at very dangerous levels. [https://www.wtva.com/templates/AMP?contentID=574859822](https://www.wtva.com/templates/AMP?contentID=574859822) He didn’t yell at me or accuse me of being an anti-vaxxer, just brought up it out of the blue, in a completely inappropriate thread. This was **GIGO** ’s (non-reality-based) explanation when **ZS** challenged him: > [@Most common reason to be Pitted Appears to be Dishonesty?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-common-reason-to-be-pitted-appears-to-be-dishonesty/946422/254): > > As usual you miss context, I was replying to @DemonTree insistance that the conservative media and “leadership” that is one her side or yours is anything but reasonable. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2021, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/908 "2021-08-05T21:36:17Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > “You criticizing my views is a violation of my right to free speech” has never been a convincing argument. Grow up. Good thing that isn’t my argument, then. For @Babale and anyone else too lazy to read before replying, my argument was that the treatment of conservatives on this board disproves the claim that 'liberals don’t care what happens unless you act on something". > [@thorny\_locust](#): > > I interact all the time, routinely and cheerfully, with people who probably do believe I’m going to hell (though not for that particular reason, at least unless they think everybody nonconforming must be gay.) But, whatever they say in their living rooms or their churches, they don’t feel the need to tell me about it. And I don’t feel the need to tell them what I think of parts (not all) of their religions. And we can organize and run the farmers’ market together, for the good of all of us and of our customers – all of whom everybody is serving without asking who they’re married to, or publicly lecturing on the subject. That’s a good example of tolerance. Most of the time there is no need to bring up things that would upset the other person. > [@thorny\_locust](#): > > Not clear what you mean by “deserving of abuse”, there. But as pretty much everybody in this society has for many years been expected to live with others who publicly preach that they’re going to hell (yes, everybody. There are multiple such sects, some of which say that everyone not a member of their particular sect will go to hell. So even being a member of one of them means people still have others saying this about them): why can’t the people so preaching manage to live with being called bigots? It doesn’t actually seem half as bad to me to be called a bigot as to be told that one’s going to be deservedly tortured for all eternity. Yet it’s generally supposed to be taken for granted that the latter is perfectly normal, and nobody ought to complain about it. It’s a fair point. I do think the two things are similar. Both have a right to express their views, but bringing either up unnecessarily, and especially directly accusing some particular person, is a little different. I don’t mean it should be banned, but it’s intolerant and unlikely to convince anyone. The real issue is when the response is to try to get the person fired, or shun them etc. It’s probably impossible to get religions to stop shunning heretical members, but I had hoped the left would be better than that. (My own experiences probably bias my view here, because most of the debates I saw and took part in with creationists back in the day were respectful, with no one told they deserved an eternity of torture; but the same certainly can’t be said about debates with progressives.) > [@thorny\_locust](#): > > I could make an argument that having to listen over and over, in places that you have to go to otherwise, to somebody preaching that your marriage is sinful and you and your loved one are going to burn in hell, is harmful; even when you don’t believe a word of it. But you also said earlier that public demonstrations ought to be allowed in the public square, even if you disagree with them (your link was correct). I think the harm from banning ‘immoral’ opinions would be much greater. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2021, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/909 "2021-08-05T21:49:26Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > > [@Babale](#): > > > > “You criticizing my views is a violation of my right to free speech” has never been a convincing argument. Grow up. > > Good thing that isn’t my argument, then. For @Babale and anyone else too lazy to read before replying, my argument was that the treatment of conservatives on this board disproves the claim that 'liberals don’t care what happens unless you act on something". What the fuck? How would ‘liberals’ on this board even know that they should ‘go after you’ if you don’t act by posting your beliefs? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2021, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/910 "2021-08-05T21:51:24Z")
That can be it, and to clarify I meant to say “on” instead of “one”. But as I said then, I explained why I did mention it, It was to show another example of how the craziness and baseless ideas many on the right are pushing. Zoster is still trying to deny what I explained then. It fits with what is being discussed: Conservatives who are committed to anti-intellectualism and who deliberately undermine good faith discussions, should not be welcomed here. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2021, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/911 "2021-08-05T21:55:19Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > How would ‘liberals’ on this board even know that they should ‘go after you’ if you don’t act by posting your beliefs? Speaking != acting. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2021, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/912 "2021-08-05T21:57:22Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > Speaking != acting Then what is your problem with me SPEAKING and criticizing your speech? ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2021, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/913 "2021-08-05T21:59:20Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > He didn’t yell at me or accuse me of being an anti-vaxxer, just brought up it out of the blue, in a completely inappropriate thread. If it’s that, then a) GIGObuster didn’t post it in this thread b) did not yell at you and c) did not call you an antivaxxer; thereby failing on at least three out of five of the characteristics @ZosterSandstorm’s describing (I can’t say about the other two without reading some more context from the other thread, and I need to go do something else for a while. There was enough confustion by that stage in that thread about what was relevant in it to bring a question from a mod about it a few posts later.) So maybe some other post is meant? I’d still like to know for sure which one(s). > [@DemonTree](#): > > That’s a good example of tolerance. Yes, it was meant to be. But it only works when the people who think I’m going to hell don’t think they need to tell me about it. Or to do anything likely to damage me because of it. > [@DemonTree](#): > > The real issue is when the response is to try to get the person fired, or shun them etc. Well, if they won’t shut up about it, I’m certainly going to shun them; because I shouldn’t have to keep listening to that crap. > [@DemonTree](#): > > most of the debates I saw and took part in with creationists back in the day were respectful, with no one told they deserved an eternity of torture; but the same certainly can’t be said about debates with progressives. You’ve been having debates with progressives in which they said you were deserving of eternal torture?! _On these boards?!_ > [@DemonTree](#): > > > [@thorny\_locust](#): > > > > I could make an argument that having to listen over and over, in places that you have to go to otherwise, to somebody preaching that your marriage is sinful and you and your loved one are going to burn in hell, is harmful; even when you don’t believe a word of it. > > But you also said earlier that public demonstrations ought to be allowed in the public square, even if you disagree with them (your link was correct). I think the harm from banning ‘immoral’ opinions would be much greater. The harm from forbidding public demonstrations might well be greater; which is why I don’t think public demonstrations should be banned. But the point I was making was that it’s not as simple as > [@DemonTree](#): > > It’s important for the majority to tolerate different ideas, different beliefs, and people advocating for these, even if they find them repellent or immoral. That does not mean agreeing to allow practices that harm other people. because in fact the practices you’re advocating allowing do harm other people. The other point I was trying to make, somewhere back in there, is that for the person saying others deserve to be tortured eternally to then complain if those others call them a bigot in return is, how shall I carefully phrase this, inconsistent and unreasonable. If they’ve got a right to say that in public, then other people have the right to call them a bigot in public; or worse, because what they’re saying is much worse. If people don’t want to associate with bigots, and/or with people telling them they deserve to go to hell – that’s a legitimate consequence of those people behaving like that. They’ve got a right to demonstrate. But they don’t have a right not to have their behavior produce counterdemonstrations. ---
**Author:** ![ZosterSandstorm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e0b2c6/32.png) [@ZosterSandstorm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZosterSandstorm)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2021, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/914 "2021-08-05T23:41:17Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > @GIGObuster’s posted in this thread as post numbers 46, 53. 55. 57, 59, 61, 65, 67, 72, 77, 83, 96, 156, 160, 166, 172, 175, 178, 183, 186, 232, 233, 370, 393, 398, 422, 423, 427, 455, and 458, according to the search function. I looked back through a random handful of those and didn’t see anything like what you’re talking about. Would you care to specify what post(s) you’re referring to? Posts 166 and 172 are accusing me of being the “right wing media” who is spreading anti-vax articles, because I said that accusing people of being right wing antivaxxers for posting in a thread about the rules around racism is the kind of thing GIGOBuster does that isn’t helpful. In response GIGOBuster decided that “saying that accusing people of being right wing antivaxxers for posting in a thread about the rules around racism is the kind of thing GIGOBuster does that isn’t helpful” is a “conservative” position, linked to a random article about antivaxxers, and accused me of being the “right wing media” who is spreading anti-vax articles. I know that any attempt to summarize GIGOAlphabetSoup’s posting is a disorienting experience that seems like a trip through a Mobius strip auto-fellating itself, but that’s another one of the problems here. > [@thorny\_locust](#): > > If it’s that, then a) GIGObuster didn’t post it in this thread b) did not yell at you and c) did not call you an antivaxxer; thereby failing on at least three out of five of the characteristics @ZosterSandstorm’s describing (I can’t say about the other two without reading some more context from the other thread, and I need to go do something else for a while. There was enough confustion by that stage in that thread about what was relevant in it to bring a question from a mod about it a few posts later.) It’s right there and he even admitted to it, but childish “na na na I’m not hitting you” shit when you don’t want to defend something is a hallmark of your group - this is really no different than the “what’s CRT? never heard of it, no one has ever mentioned it outside of a law school, anyone who thinks it exists is crazy” thing. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/915 "2021-08-06T01:57:14Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Yeah, if you hold bigoted beliefs but you keep them to yourselves, or even use them to make your family miserable (ie you are pissed off at your daughter because she married a black woman) but don’t project it outwards, I don’t think there’s anything society can or should do about that. However, if you’re that person and you’re whining because people like you are now the bad guys in TV shows while interracial same sex couples are more represented, that’s too bad, so sad. That sounds good in theory, but it neglects a fundamental part of how humans work. We cannot completely separate our beliefs and our actions. If you have bigoted beliefs, then you will, without thinking about it, treat the targets of that bigotry worse than others. That’s why we liberals fight so hard to uncover our own bigoted biases. We know that they will affect how we interact with others. Sure, if we could just get all bigoted people to follow some basic guidelines, it would be better. But there would still be some discrimination. Ultimately, the goal has to be to eliminate it. That said, it’s a baby steps thing. We probably can’t do this all right away. That’s why there’s such a big push for tolerance. It is a good first step. If you start from a position of tolerance, then it is easier not to let your own biases slip through. Tolerance helps reduce the influence of bias and fear of the other, which then helps you see the truth. ---
**Author:** ![lobotomyboy63](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobotomyboy63/32/2900_2.png) [@lobotomyboy63](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobotomyboy63)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/916 "2021-08-06T02:01:11Z")
I usually skip posting in threads like this because when I noticed it, it had 900+ posts and I don’t want to read them all. TLDR. But I can still reply to the OP. Conservatives are exactly what this board needs. Let’s compare notes, debate, etc. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/917 "2021-08-06T02:18:52Z")
> [@ZosterSandstorm](#): > > Posts 166 and 172 are accusing me of being the “right wing media” who is spreading anti-vax articles, Nope, it is just evidence that you are an incompetent when looking for things to become insulted about. The curious and curioser thing here is **why** are you feeling hurt when you describe yourself as **not** being a conservative. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/918 "2021-08-06T02:31:13Z")
> [@ZosterSandstorm](#): > > It’s right there and he even admitted to it, but childish “na na na I’m not hitting you” shit when you don’t want to defend something is a hallmark of your group - this is really no different than the “what’s CRT? never heard of it, no one has ever mentioned it outside of a law school, anyone who thinks it exists is crazy” thing. No, you just seem to like to rewrite what people have actually said. That’s not at all what anyone said about CRT, for instance. What was said is that actual CRT is rarely discussed outside of an academic setting, and that most references outside of that are not to the actual theory, but to a conservative boogeyman. Hell, if you look at [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_race_theory#Common_themes), one of the things CRT opposes is affirmative action. You definitely couldn’t tell that from the use of the term by conservatives. That’s exactly how you can tell that they just use it for any examination of systemic racism. And that’s just not what it means. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/919 "2021-08-06T02:32:00Z")
> [@lobotomyboy63](#): > > I usually skip posting in threads like this because when I noticed it, it had 900+ posts and I don’t want to read them all. TLDR. But I can still reply to the OP. Conservatives are exactly what this board needs. Let’s compare notes, debate, etc. And it seems that you skipped the OP too. 🙂 Many that reply should not ignore that the OP did add an important conditional: **asahi** posted that (bold and underline added): “We don’t need “the other side” of the debate or whatever the hell issue we’re talking about _ **if** _ they are committed to anti-intellectualism and deliberately undermining good faith discussion.” Conservatives that are not like that should be welcomed, of course as me and others warned the OP before, his past history of not making nuanced points is not helping much. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/920 "2021-08-06T02:49:11Z")
@ZosterSandstorm, I’m way too tired right now to try to figure out what you’re accusing me of. I’ll get back to this, maybe some time tomorrow, maybe some time after Saturday market. ---
**Author:** ![Kron](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kron/32/12444_2.png) [@Kron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kron)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/921 "2021-08-06T02:51:05Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > but to a conservative boogeyman That has now got even Wyoming lunatics ruining school district meetings ranting about CRT being taught in schools here (spoiler: well, you know). > **[School board ends meeting early due to disruptive commenter](https://www.wyomingnews.com/news/in_our_schools/school-board-ends-meeting-early-due-to-disruptive-commenter/article_6d01274d-424b-5c7c-bb7f-d4eedde29edc.html)** > > CHEYENNE – The Laramie County School District 1 Board of Trustees shut down public comment early Monday night after a resident began yelling at trustees and refused to give up > In his comment, the man also accused the school board of lying to the public, saying that critical race theory is being taught to students and pointing to the Wit and Wisdom curriculum, which is described as an “English language arts curriculum.” Administrators have repeatedly said that critical race theory is not a part of the LCSD1 curriculum. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/922 "2021-08-06T08:20:08Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > That’s basically enabling the mob to decide social mores. Nobody else but “the mob”, i.e., people in society, ever does decide social mores. The clue is right there in the adjective “social”. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 9:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/923 "2021-08-06T09:08:23Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Nope, it is just evidence that you are an incompetent when looking for things to become insulted about. The curious and curioser thing here is **why** are you feeling hurt when you describe yourself as **not** being a conservative. I’m not the person you’re posting to here, but I’m also **not** hurt and I’m **not** a conservative, but I am a little tired of differing opinions getting chased off this message board. > [@GIGObuster](#): > > Many that reply should not ignore that the OP did add an important conditional: > > **asahi** posted that (bold and underline added): > “We don’t need “the other side” of the debate or whatever the hell issue we’re talking about _ **if** _ they are committed to anti-intellectualism and deliberately undermining good faith discussion.” > > Conservatives that are not like that should be welcomed, of course as me and others warned the OP before, his past history of not making nuanced points is not helping much. Not for a second do I believe that’s what asahi meant when he wrote that OP. If he wants to confirm your point, I’m good with it. But you’re taking that out of context. The context was that he was mad about something D’Aconia posted in the Quarantine forum. Then he started this thread, then the one in ATMB that got him suspended for 24 hours. If all he wanted to say was that people who are “committed to anti-intellectualism and deliberately undermining good faith discussion” are not welcome here, he didn’t need to add the part about conservatives. The fact that he added the part about conservatives shows that he was talking about conservatives, full stop. Otherwise, he would have titled the thread something about anti-intellectuals or people undermining good faith arguments instead. There are people like that on both sides. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474.md?page=45) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474.md?page=47)