# Let me be real clear: this message board does NOT need conservatives **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 28, 2021, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474 "2021-07-28T02:12:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 51
**Author:** ![ZosterSandstorm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e0b2c6/32.png) [@ZosterSandstorm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZosterSandstorm)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1004 "2021-08-06T15:45:22Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Fact is, YOU are the one who insists on limiting what GIGO is talking about to anti-vax, when in fact he is talking about a whole slew of anti-intelectual conspiracy theories pandered to by the Right. Yes, replying to everything you don’t like by accusing the person putting it forth of being responsible for “a whole slew of anti-intelectual [sic] conspiracy theories pandered to by the Right” is exactly the dishonest, trolling tactic that GIGO loves to use, you love to defend, and that for at least the second time in this thread, you are now admitting to even though you will insist you don’t use it the next time it comes up. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1005 "2021-08-06T15:48:28Z")
> [@ZosterSandstorm](#): > > Yes, replying to everything you don’t like by accusing the person putting it forth of being responsible for “a whole slew of anti-intelectual [sic] conspiracy theories pandered to by the Right” You are an illiterate shitbag. You are literally responding to a post saying “DemonTree is not being criticized for being an anti-vaxer; she is being criticized for her views on CRT” by saying “SEE?! YOU ADMIT TO CRITICIZING HER FOR BEING ANTIVAX!!!” ---
**Author:** ![ZosterSandstorm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e0b2c6/32.png) [@ZosterSandstorm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZosterSandstorm)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1006 "2021-08-06T15:53:23Z")
She is being “criticized for her views on CRT” not by anyone putting forth any argument in favor of a different view on CRT (that would require getting down from the “CRT doesn’t exist outside of law schools and anyone who claims they dislike CRT has never actually encountered CRT” bullshit mountain which is clearly the hill you guys are going to die on no matter what) but by the accusation that, by having views on CRT which aren’t approved by the far-left, she must therefore be responsible for every position that you and GIGO imagine “conservatives” hold up to and including anti-vax. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1007 "2021-08-06T15:58:56Z")
No, it’s not a good thing that posters engage in disingenuous arguments, like those who feigned ignorance about what a slur is and why it’s socially different than an insult. That the discussion about insults focused on semantic arguments about slurs vs insults made reasonable discussion pointless and we don’t need that here. It’s a classic deflection tactic and is disingenuous. It was an perfectly illustrative example of what the OP was arguing and proved the point. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1008 "2021-08-06T16:01:27Z")
That’s not what I am saying. I want a board that represents differing points of views. I don’t want a board full of group-think people, which is a large reason why this board is failing. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1009 "2021-08-06T16:04:03Z")
That’s not the OP’s thesis. Bolding mine. > [@asahi](#): > > It just doesn’t. We don’t need “the other side” of the debate or whatever the hell issue we’re talking about **if** they are committed to anti-intellectualism and deliberately undermining good faith discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1010 "2021-08-06T16:08:47Z")
> [@ZosterSandstorm](#): > > by the accusation that, by having views on CRT which aren’t approved by the far-left, she must therefore be responsible for every position that you and GIGO imagine “conservatives” hold up to and including anti-vax. Wow, you really ARE illiterate. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1011 "2021-08-06T16:11:00Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > > [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > > > Yes, Twitter deplatformed Trump and a whole bunch of conservatives. You know who else they deplatformed? Me. Me and a whole bunch of my liberal friends. A whole bunch of us had our accounts permanently suspended. After January 6th, a half dozen Facebook groups I was active on (liberal political humor groups) disappeared, and my liberal friends are constantly in and out of Facebook “jail”. > > What rule did you break? Dunno about Ann\_Hedonia, but my liberal friends complain about this all the time. One guy had Facebook censor photos of his friends ballroom dancing because the photos were too revealing. He is ALSO getting paid ads that include images that are MUCH more revealing. Some words that transpeople use discussing issues among themselves seem to get flagged by Facebook. I’m not on Facebook very often, and can’t pull up an example, but I know that I’ve seen dozens of complaints about it in the past couple of years. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1012 "2021-08-06T16:18:48Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > That’s not the OP’s thesis. Bolding mine. 🤣 He literally said he wanted a board full of group-think people: > [@asahi](#): > > If this place becomes “a hive mind,” fuck it - then that’s what it is. A hive mind for the truth. Hive minds being well known for their ability to discover the truth. 😏 ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1013 "2021-08-06T16:21:32Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Dunno about Ann\_Hedonia, but my liberal friends complain about this all the time. One guy had Facebook censor photos of his friends ballroom dancing because the photos were too revealing. He is ALSO getting paid ads that include images that are MUCH more revealing. Some words that transpeople use discussing issues among themselves seem to get flagged by Facebook. I’m not on Facebook very often, and can’t pull up an example, but I know that I’ve seen dozens of complaints about it in the past couple of years. It mystifies me why people suffering from blunt-instrument, unappealable algorithmic censorship are in favour of it, but @Ann_Hedonia is entitled to her principles. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1014 "2021-08-06T16:22:25Z")
Again, that is very silly for you to say after you cited a demagogue on the CRT thread. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1015 "2021-08-06T16:26:11Z")
I thought you ignored me? Ok, then. It’s this type of argument he’s talking about. He’s saying that if the consequence of losing disingenuous posters is we end up with a hive mind that is focused around truth (and truth is not the same as ideology), then yes, that is ok! He’s not saying “yay! Hive mind! Let’s boot those awful people who dare to have a different thought!” So this cherry picking, most negative interpretation of a statement to reinforce your forgone conclusion of what you want to believe the OP’s point is, is exactly the type of argument this board doesn’t need. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1016 "2021-08-06T16:26:47Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I’m an incredibly fragile conservative snowflake so I got really upset and threw a tantrum over how mean those people are being to my country. > > No, wait, that’s not it at all. I really didn’t care about a manufactured non-issue. Some people don’t like Israel and want to boycott it. Cool. Some Israelis still don’t like Germany and boycott German products. Some people boycott products that come from Arab countries. People are entitled to their opinion; I happen to think their opinion is wrong, but so what? > > And look, are there radicals who don’t believe in Israel’s right to exist at all who attach themselves to those sorts of movements? Sure. Is that something worth getting particularly worked up over? Not really. Spare me the histrionics. I was just curious. Obviously other people think it’s a big deal, since the Israeli government and 35 US states have passed laws designed to discourage it. Do you oppose those laws? I don’t really know a lot about the issue, but when I was at university there was a group who wanted to boycott one of my professors because he was from Israel. I certainly didn’t agree with _that_; he didn’t choose where he was born. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1017 "2021-08-06T16:26:51Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > It’s this type of argument he’s talking about. > > He’s saying that if the consequence of losing disingenuous posters is we end up with a hive mind that is focused around truth (and truth is not the same as ideology), then yes, that is ok! > > He’s not saying “yay! Hive mind! Let’s boot those awful people who dare to have a different thought!” > > So this cherry picking, most negative interpretation of a statement to reinforce your forgone conclusion of what you want to believe the OP’s point is, is exactly the type of argument this board doesn’t need. /Thread. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1018 "2021-08-06T16:28:32Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Again, that is very silly for you to say after you cited a demagogue on the CRT thread. FWIW, I didn’t want to cite him, because his articles are obviously extremely biased, but I couldn’t find the source documents linked anywhere else. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1019 "2021-08-06T16:30:43Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > Obviously other people think it’s a big deal, since the Israeli government and 35 US states have passed laws designed to discourage it. Do you oppose those laws? Yes, the right wing in Israel is just as capable of drumming up non-issues into big attacks on Israeli sovereignty. Sort of like the people who get really upset over kneeling during the national anthem. I oppose boycotts on Israel but I also oppose laws against them, yes. > [@DemonTree](#): > > when I was at university there was a group who wanted to boycott one of my professors because he was from Israel. I certainly didn’t agree with _that_ ; he didn’t choose where he was born Yeah, that’s pretty fucking dumb, just like the judo wrestlers who keep dropping out of the Olympics rather than fight an Israeli athlete. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1020 "2021-08-06T16:32:05Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > FWIW, I didn’t want to cite him, because his articles are obviously extremely biased, but I couldn’t find the source documents linked anywhere else. So close - and yet - so far. ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1021 "2021-08-06T16:33:08Z")
Well said ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1022 "2021-08-06T16:36:06Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > No, it’s not a good thing that posters engage in disingenuous arguments, like those who feigned ignorance about what a slur is and why it’s socially different than an insult. > > That the discussion about insults focused on semantic arguments about slurs vs insults made reasonable discussion pointless and we don’t need that here. It’s a classic deflection tactic and is disingenuous. I was the person talking about slurs, so you’re talking about me. I did NOT feign ignorance about what the word slur means. I know exactly what it means because I looked it up in 4 online dictionaries and multiple other cites. I asked if puzzlegal was using a non-standard definition of the word. I didn’t get an answer. Generally, people here are accused of not bringing any cites to the table. I had multiple cites of what the word slur means. I got no cites in return that supported that there was another definition. The reason that it was relevant was because the distinction was being made between a slur and an insult. There is none. The implication is that slurs are generally made by conservatives because they’re aimed at certain groups. But those certain groups are not named anywhere in a cite in this thread except by people saying that their saying so makes it true… ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1023 "2021-08-06T16:36:46Z")
You also forgot that another poster cited also evidence that your demagogue mistated or exaggerated what your source documents showed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474.md?page=50) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474.md?page=52)