# Let me be real clear: this message board does NOT need conservatives **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 28, 2021, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474 "2021-07-28T02:12:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 53
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1044 "2021-08-06T20:06:53Z")
You did not cite demagogues or lying conservative troglodytes about CRT and did not double down on their misleading messages when it was showed that the cites or conservative politicians were wrong or lying bastards. So no, you are not the enemy of intellectuals, fact checkers and skeptics over here. As pointed out, by @IvoryTowerDenizen, truth is the point here, spreading ignorance is not kosher. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1045 "2021-08-06T20:10:37Z")
It’s probably me. But I often feel like we’re two people separated by a common language. I’m sorry, I’ve no idea what you’re on about. ---
**Author:** ![ZosterSandstorm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e0b2c6/32.png) [@ZosterSandstorm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZosterSandstorm)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1046 "2021-08-06T20:15:04Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Well, every time I point at the results of the efforts of many conservatives now to the ones that support the demonization of CRT: Firing of school board members, Yes, it’s sometimes possible that when people disagree with you on a political issue, one of the results will be that holders of positions chosen by democratic vote who are more allied with you than with the majority of voters may lose their re-election bids (or as you have characterized it, be “fired”). What exactly is your proposal for avoiding this apparently unacceptable outcome? That no one who disagrees with you be allowed to run for office, or vote? Or just that no one be allowed to disagree with you on this message board, lest it lead to people you support losing elections through the apparently unfair process of “a majority being convinced to vote against them?” And is it possible that elected officials and/or voters may disagree with you without being “conservative”, or are you still insisting that it is not? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1047 "2021-08-06T20:24:19Z")
As his cut of my post showed, it is clear that Zoster does not care that the results of falling for the orwellian right wing narrative includes the firing of minority teachers or professors. History can also take a hike as he does not care for it either. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1048 "2021-08-06T20:30:32Z")
Somehow you are trying to paint yourself like the ones that are really anti intellectual and debate in bad faith when you are not. ---
**Author:** ![ZosterSandstorm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e0b2c6/32.png) [@ZosterSandstorm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZosterSandstorm)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1049 "2021-08-06T20:38:07Z")
Some school board members may be “minority teachers or professors.” Some “minority teachers or professors” may or may not agree with you about CRT and may or may not be in the group that is losing their re-election bids. Of course, this applies just as well to any other group and any other elected office. Should people who disagree with GIGOBuster be allowed to serve in or vote for _any_ office, or does the fact that they may potentially win elections against “minority teachers or professors” mean this is unacceptable? And just what does this have to do with the atmosphere on the Straight Dope Message Board? The world will never know, as GIGO will instead hopscotch to the next incoherent sort-of point. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1050 "2021-08-06T20:43:01Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > I think the thesis in the OP has been sufficiently proven. This is very true. With waaaaay too many posts in this thread, I think it’s time to add some people to my Ignore list and get back to discussing issues with people who are actually interested in debate, not in coyly pretending they’re too innocent to understand the points being made. I look forward to seeing the rest of you in other threads. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1051 "2021-08-06T20:50:46Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > As a way of example: I did not imagine that posters like @YWTF, @monstro, could possibly be mistaken for anything but liberal, and often very progressive. Really? To me they were liberal about some issues, but came from a conservative, “churchy” background and were generally pretty middle of the road to slightly right of the middle. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1052 "2021-08-06T21:02:44Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > they have been labeled bigots simply because of their failure to agree with a handful of vocal trans-advocates on a very narrow set of trans issues. See, it’s outright alternate facts like that that we don’t need, whatever your politics are. **YWTF** was an outright transphobe, no “narrow set” or any qualifier necessary. She misgendered, she questioned trans persons’ mental state, mocked a trans poster’s suicide attempts, etc. Also, a virulent misandrist, but that’s a side issue. That the (generally) more reasonable **monstro** chose to flounce with her is entirely on her. > [@QuickSilver](#): > > Posters like @DemonTree is being lumped in with them in a post just a few hours up-thread. If you’re referring to my post, that wasn’t “posters like Demontree”, that was just Demontree, who never misses an opportunity to display her transphobia, either. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1053 "2021-08-06T21:05:41Z")
> [@ZosterSandstorm](#): > > The world will never know, as GIGO will instead hopscotch to the next incoherent sort-of point. Nope, that is what the right wing has been doing all these last years, but you are too shallow to notice. ---
**Author:** ![ZosterSandstorm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e0b2c6/32.png) [@ZosterSandstorm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZosterSandstorm)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1054 "2021-08-06T21:15:27Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Nope, that is what the right wing has been doing all these last years, but you are too shallow to notice. Another notch - asking GIGOBuster to clarify what he is implying by stating that people he agrees with shouldn’t be allowed to lose elections is “right wing” and the people asking are responsible for everything that “the right wing has been doing all these last years.” Eventually every thread on the board will be nothing but GIGOBuster and Babale alternating between accusing people of being “conservative” for liking the wrong pizza toppings or wearing long-sleeved shirts, then immediately denying that they have a problem with labeling anyone who isn’t an exact mirror of their preferences “conservative,” back and forth, for a million posts forever. We’re a good chunk of the way there already. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1055 "2021-08-06T21:18:51Z")
> [@carrps](#): > > Really? To me they were liberal about some issues, but came from a conservative, “churchy” background and were generally pretty middle of the road to slightly right of the middle. I think I recall some of that too. But I also I thought that they were important progressive voices on feminism and racial issues. Not least because they were WOC. It’s interesting, however, what people took away in their interactions with them. For example, I thought that **monstro** was largely unimpressed with my style of posting, which is often sardonic or sarcastic. Alas… > [@MrDibble](#): > > **YWTF** was an outright transphobe, no “narrow set” or any qualifier necessary. She misgendered, she questioned trans persons’ mental state, mocked a trans poster’s suicide attempts, etc. Also, a virulent misandrist, but that’s a side issue. That the (generally) more reasonable **monstro** chose to flounce with her is entirely on her. …opinions vary. I maintain that conversations were better for their contributions because even if one disagreed with their point of view, at least theirs was not one driven by dogmatic ideology. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1056 "2021-08-06T21:23:34Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Somehow you are trying to paint yourself like the ones that are really anti intellectual and debate in bad faith when you are not. Apologies, I posted that before you added/edit the post I had responding to. Also, I was confused about how CRT factored into what you directly quoted and replied to me about. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1057 "2021-08-06T21:24:24Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I maintain that conversations were better for their contributions Tell that to **Boudicca90** … ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1058 "2021-08-06T21:25:43Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I did not imagine that posters like @YWTF, @monstro, could possibly be mistaken for anything but liberal, and often very progressive. In that trainwreck of a thread, they permanently ran off at least one transgender poster with their hateful and hurtful comments. I’m not even typically that active in gender discussions but the level of hate and ignorance was just so off the charts horrible I couldn’t keep quiet. And one of them got so so so frustrated with my refusal to accept their premise that shared facilities constituted a physical threat to women that she suggested that maybe I needed to be raped in a locker room to bring my opinions into line. Like I said, I’m fine with most conservative posters but there are a handful that I’m convinced aren’t acting in good faith, and they have as much interest in this board and civilized discourse as the Trump EPA had in protecting the environment. It isn’t even about liberal or conservative, they’re bullies that derail what would otherwise be fruitful conversations. There are a few liberals that do the same thing. It is a liberal board. Frankly, I’m more interested in nuanced discussions, I can get the standard red v blue talking points anywhere. But any conservative has to know that it’s a liberal leaning board, which means that on political subjects, most people will disagree with them. If they aren’t up for that type of imbalance, they should go elsewhere. If I was a conservative I wouldn’t post here, because I enjoy a certain type of nuanced discussion that wouldn’t be possible if 80% of the people listening were in direct opposition to my viewpoint. It’s a personal preference, nothing more, nothing less. If this board were 80% conservative, or even 50% conservative, I might look for a more liberal forum …it’s just a better fit for my preferences. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1059 "2021-08-06T21:27:12Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Tell that to **Boudicca90** … Why? How was her decision to flounce any different than **monstro’** s? Seems to me they both felt disrespected and insulted, and chose to leave. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1060 "2021-08-06T21:27:32Z")
The righties here have to reckon with the fact that their national presence is limited to the function of anti democratic party trolls. They need to admit it here, instead of the 90% whining about not being heard whining. Just listen to yourselves. If you are only reflexively responding by hating another party or hating “progress” or whatever it may be, then you aren’t necessary at all. You’re position could be performed by a robot and many many times now it is. A Robot. You can see it in many comments forums. A strictly “knee jerk” party has lost it’s rhetoric and is just in it for the lolz. They aren’t necessary even if you want to address their issues. It is easier without them trolling. And they gain because then they wont humiliate themselves. Liberals give a much better reading of conservatives than they are capable of themselves They have only one actual position at a time. Historically it’s Anti-Clinton. Now it’s anti democracy. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1061 "2021-08-06T21:29:54Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Why? How was her decision to flounce any different than **monsrto’** s? Seems to me they both felt disrespected and insulted, and chose to leave. One felt disrespected because of who she was. The other felt disrespected because of how she acted. One is a legitimate reason to judge people, one is not. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1062 "2021-08-06T21:30:02Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Why? How was her decision to flounce any different than \*\*monsrto’\*\*s? Well, one was driven off _by_ bigots, and one was driven off by being called on their bigotry. So, quite different, really. > [@QuickSilver](#): > > Seems to me they both felt disrespected and insulted, and chose to leave. One of them for just cause, and one of them without. But otherwise, sure, yeah, identical. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1063 "2021-08-06T21:35:27Z")
**Boudicca90** had overwhelming support from trans-advocates on this board. Any offense that she suffered based on what either **monstro** or **YWTF** said, surely paled in comparison to the support she received from everyone who rallied to her defense and called her interlocutors “bigots”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474.md?page=52) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474.md?page=54)