# Let me be real clear: this message board does NOT need conservatives **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 28, 2021, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474 "2021-07-28T02:12:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 55
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1085 "2021-08-07T01:24:28Z")
That was a great song I had not heard before. Thanks for sharing. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1086 "2021-08-07T01:25:53Z")
Heh. I hope that means Biden. I know people who refused to “vote against” and threw it away. Because Facebook basically. I’m kind of new in the thread. What position does trumpism place you in with the R party? It seems to me that trumpy conservatism can’t live here. He has lied too much. It’s against the prime directive here in seeking to end ignorance. No one with an adult perspective can claim there are intellectual defenses for trumpism. So if trumpism = conservatism then it can’t fly. If the board is full of anti trump conservatives then I would think it would play out differently than it has. ---
**Author:** ![ZosterSandstorm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e0b2c6/32.png) [@ZosterSandstorm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZosterSandstorm)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1087 "2021-08-07T01:26:54Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > If the board is full of anti trump conservatives then I would think it would play out differently than it has. The effective definition of “conservative” here includes basically anyone to the right of Bernie Sanders, about 90% of the US population. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1088 "2021-08-07T01:30:13Z")
I’m just going to ask everyone if they self define as: R, trumpy, or conservative? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1089 "2021-08-07T01:35:12Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > I’m kind of new in the thread. What position does trumpism place you in with the R party? It — doesn’t? I vote for Republicans whenever I think one is the best choice, and I voted against Trump because I never figured that was the case with the guy. Not sure there’s anything more to it, really. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1090 "2021-08-07T02:32:53Z")
> [@ZosterSandstorm](#): > > I’m glad we’ve established that I’m not a conservative (Democratic voter, got vaccine as soon as I was eligible, have been pushing others to get it and supporting vaccine mandates - note that this will definitely not stop GIGOBuster from accusing me of being an anti-vaxxer at least one more time in this thread). Piffle, others already did notice that I don’t see you as an antivaxxer, only that you are an incompetent when failing to notice how the right-wingers manipulated you on other issues. Of course, the curious thing is how insulted you become on their behalf. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1091 "2021-08-07T03:10:23Z")
I don’t think the left is delusional. Not the smart left. They use the power of rhetoric to convince the stupid and naive to concede power to the ruthless under the guise of so-called equity and then perverts language to the point where it’s impossible to argue without being demonized. That’s why the 1984 reference is relevant. The ministry of truth has nothing on the current ministry of the media, the ministry of woke, and the ministry of biology that the current left has created. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1092 "2021-08-07T03:22:25Z")
Voting against him means you felt stronger about it than just him not being best choice. You felt the need to prevent him from being elected, like a sane American. You have to be somewhere, you have to have an opinion on the antidemocracy growing on the right. To defend it or reject it, as a conservative. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1093 "2021-08-07T03:27:55Z")
> [@lobotomyboy63](#): > > We don’t need to try to persuade the die hards, then? If you could make, say, Hannity drop some of the bullshit, that wouldn’t be a victory with ripple effects? Sure, it would be. But it’s also extremely unlikely to happen. Hannity is definitely in the “utterly disingenuous” camp. He does not engage in good faith. He’s not interested at all in the truth. He, like a lot of the influencers on the right, is a huckster. Hannity is the type of person who would only change his rhetoric if it became advantageous for him to do so. The way to reach the people he has tricked is to expose them to the trickery, not to try and use logic and reason, when they were not logically or rationally convinced into their position. We’re much better off focusing our efforts on those who are willing to listen than to fall for the trap being set for us. When dealing with disingenuous arguers, very often the only way to win is to avoid playing their game. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1094 "2021-08-07T04:12:15Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > > [@QuickSilver](#): > > > > **Boudicca90** had overwhelming support from trans-advocates on this board. Any offense that she suffered based on what either **monstro** or **YWTF** said, surely paled in comparison to the support she received from everyone who rallied to her defense and called her interlocutors “bigots”. > > The truth is, the internet is not a safe place, and neither is the SDMB. Especially not the SDMB (see The Pit). Any message board is going to have a wide variety of members with all different degrees of support for different causes. There are people on all sides of the discussion. If a subset of the people saying harsh things causes someone to leave, then truthfully, the SDMB is probably not the place for them. The discussions we have about any kind of social, political, or racial issue will often be very contentious. It’s very likely that some people in the thread will say things that might seem offensive, but many people in the thread will also say things which are not. If someone can get so offended by what one person says and ignore what other people are saying, then they probably won’t enjoy hanging around here no matter what is being discussed. I can’t help but notice a certain word that you seem to have left out of your post. The quote you are replying to is discussing bigoted things people said. But at no point does the word bigotry or any synonym feature in your post. **Bigotry is not merely being offensive.** No one treats saying “fuck you” the same as saying the n-word. There’s a reason why one is allowed on the SDMB, and the other is not. Pretending that they are the same class of thing is utter bullshit, and needs to fucking stop. ## @ywtf attacked a trans woman for admitting she had once been suicidal. This garbage pile of a human was so fucking full hatred for trasn people that she was willing to attack someone for admitting trauma—despite her own sister having a mental disorder. **And not even fiucking in the Pit.** And then said sister @monstro decided it was more important to defend her garbage sister than to adhere to the principles she had previously set up And then we lost @Boudicca90 because the mods were slow as fuck to actually deal with any of it. ywtf should have gotten a suspension right then. But she didn’t. When they finally moderated, they just said @ywtf couldn’t post on trans topics. And that led to monstro leaving—but only after taking a last parting shot at the trans woman. So she trans woman left, too. **We no longer have any openly trans people posting on this message board because of how horribly we dealt with this.** And then we have arguments like yours where you say that they shouldn’t post here. How dare they expect the basic minimum requirements that they not face bigoted people who want to harass them! We do not have to be a fucking safe space to draw the line as such blatant bigotry. Such an argument is ridiculous on its face. If you want a place where that shit is allowed, then it is you who needs to move to places like 4chan or GETTR or other places where the Nazis hang out. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1095 "2021-08-07T04:31:47Z")
And now we have 2 fewer black females posting here. What a moronic take. On a message board adults ought to be able to deal with different opinions and different points of view. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1096 "2021-08-07T04:34:58Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > **Boudicca90** had overwhelming support from trans-advocates on this board. Any offense that she suffered based on what either **monstro** or **YWTF** said, surely paled in comparison to the support she received from everyone who rallied to her defense and called her interlocutors “bigots”. Or course it wouldn’t make up for it. Someone arguing that your mere existence is a threat to them as a woman, and then mocking them for admitting to being suicidal before transition is not going to be made up for because some people pointed out that it was transphobic. In no world does harassment become acceptable because some other people told them that it is wrong. If someone started going on about how white people were scary, or that men who got suicidal were faking it, would you be so quick to defend them? I very much doubt it. This thing where you seem to lack the ability to empathize with people who are different from you needs to stop. It’s not a good thing. It should be easy to understand why trans people don’t feel they can post here. And I do mean trans people. We lost all of the openly trans people on this board over how this was managed. We have all these people who whine about pushing conservatives away. Yet not so much when it’s someone not like them. That needs to stop. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1097 "2021-08-07T04:36:06Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > And now we have 2 fewer black females posting here. What a moronic take. On a message board adults ought to be able to deal with different opinions and different points of view. We have two fewer bigots posting here. Two fewer people who think it’s okay to harass people for being suicidal. The fact that you think the color of their skin is more important than the content of their character says a lot about you. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1098 "2021-08-07T04:40:47Z")
How big of you for calling these two women bigots without knowing them at all. Just a hint; on a MB where we are all anonymous just because someone makes a claim doesnt mean its true. Preach away BigT. Keep up the binary thinking. The more voices we have on these boards the richer the boards are no matter how much you disagree with some viewpoints. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1099 "2021-08-07T04:49:37Z")
That’s utterly ridiculous. If supposedly grown people don’t have the emotional maturity to post or read on certain subjects they need to demonstrate some agency and refrain from those subjects. The rest of the world is under no obligation to be silenced. And on the subject of slurs and profanity, obviously not all slurs are equal which is why gendered, ableist, classist, speciesist etc slurs are allowed in the pit. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1100 "2021-08-07T05:25:22Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > How big of you for calling these two women bigots without knowing them at all. Just a hint; on a MB where we are all anonymous just because someone makes a claim doesnt mean its true. > > Preach away BigT. Keep up the binary thinking. The more voices we have on these boards the richer the boards are no matter how much you disagree with some viewpoints. Yeah, yeah. Keep beating that drum. Bigotry and harassing people somehow adds to this board. Bigotry is just another viewpoint! We need to tolerate everyone, even those who are intolerant. Listen to yourself. You’re actually trying to argue that we can’t know that someone is a bigot even though they came on this board and said bigoted shit. I guess when someone says the n-word to you, you say “Well, I can’t know if they’re a bigot.” When they say black people are scary and we need to discriminate against them, you can’t be sure they’re racist, right? Quit being stupid. @YWTF told a trans person they were faking when they were suicidal before transitioning. @monstro fucking defended her. I will repeat this: THEY BOTH ATTACKED SOMEONE FOR BEING SUICIDAL. Don’t fucking tell me that we somehow need to allow this shit for diversity’s sake! And you act like we made them leave. Nothing of the sort happened. YWTF, after she kept on starting fights on this issue, got a topic ban. That’s it. If she wanted to, she could post on literally anything else, but she refused. And @monstro came to ATMB, and kept on lying to defend her sister. And said she wouldn’t post here if her sister’s punishment wasn’t rescinded. Everyone fell over backwards for her, even saying that YWTF could get it removed with good behavior. But, she had a freak out and left. Nothing that happened had anything at all to do with the fact they are black. It was because @ywtf got radicalized by TERFs, posting on nothing else, and @monstro cared more about her sister being upset than reality. You cannot rewrite history, trying to make out what they did to be mere disagreement. And, yes, I preach against those of you who engage in disingenuous bullshit. You tried to use the fact these posters are black as if that made their behavior okay. So I quoted the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King at you. If it bothers you that you don’t live up to that very basic ideal—that we judge people by the content of their character and not the color of their skin—then that’s an issue for you to resolve. There’s a reason why your response to my long post making multiple points was just a one-line assertion. You couldn’t actually deal with what I said. You had to make it about race. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1101 "2021-08-07T07:13:10Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > We no longer have any openly trans people posting on this message board because of how horribly we dealt with this. There’s three in the ‘how do you identify as to gender’ thread, including **AHunter3**. If even half the things you’re saying are true, why did no one in the JKR thread get so much as a warning? IIRC the mods said they got a ton of flags for it. I remember some offensive things being posted; I don’t remember anyone being mocked for attempting suicide or told to go get raped. PS. You _are_ asking for the board to be a safe space when you consider even otherwise neutral phrases like ‘biological male’ - in the context of sports! - to be bigoted. That’s not avoiding slurs, that’s banning people from acknowledging important, relevant facts. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1102 "2021-08-07T10:29:03Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > There’s three in the ‘how do you identify as to gender’ thread, including **AHunter3**. I do not see, on a search, the word “trans” appear in that thread at all, and definitely not @AHunter3, who identified as enbie and genderqueer.: > [@How do you identify, gender-wise?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-identify-gender-wise/948004/54): > > **Nonbinary** mostly means the same thing as “ **genderqueer** ” > > # [… SNIP …] > > **Those of us who choose either of those identifiers** ( **yeah, I do** , for the benefit of those who aren’t well aware) Perhaps you’d care to name who _did_ identify as trans in that thread, as I assume it must have been something along the lines of them saying “male, assigned female at birth” or similar? ETA, nope, checked, the only person to talk about their birth assignation is genderfluid, which, again, is just NB, _not_ trans. ETA2: I should add, **my** emphases in quoting AHunter3. ---
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1103 "2021-08-07T11:50:54Z")
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**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1104 "2021-08-07T13:02:27Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Or course it wouldn’t make up for it. Someone arguing that your mere existence is a threat to them as a woman, and then mocking them for admitting to being suicidal before transition is not going to be made up for because some people pointed out that it was transphobic. In no world does harassment become acceptable because some other people told them that it is wrong. It was a long discussion that became a repetitive morass, but there was also nuance and I recall both of them specifically saying that they would absolutely treat trans people with respect and dignity in their preferred gender identity. I also remember flared tempers and bitter arguments exchanged between many posters. I’d be surprised if either of them intentionally or directly mocked a specific poster. > [@BigT](#): > > This thing where you seem to lack the ability to empathize with people who are different from you needs to stop. I can be both empathetic and skeptical. What _needs to stop_ is your tedious black & white moral sermonizing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474.md?page=54) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474.md?page=56)