# Let me be real clear: this message board does NOT need conservatives **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 28, 2021, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474 "2021-07-28T02:12:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 59
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1165 "2021-08-07T20:23:59Z")
It’s not a fact that the riots over the summer caused over a billion dollars in damage? It’s not a fact that necessities such as Jordans, TVs, and cell phones were looted during the ‘peaceful protests?’ It’s not a fact that it was encouraged to protest without social distancing as long as it was nominally for so-called social justice? It’s not a fact that language is being perverted in order to make it impossible to engage in debate? It’s not a fact that the CCP is responsible for an order of magnitude more death than practically any other institution with maybe the exception of the Soviet Union yet gets less pushback than a statue of Teddy Roosevelt? It’s not a fact the the left is more and more hostile to basic fundamental freedoms in the name of equity? These are facts. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1166 "2021-08-07T20:26:10Z")
Dated? The CCP is currently engaged in genocide you ignorant fool. And hell, when it comes to dredging up dated stuff you on the left like to blame all of society’s current ills on obscure statues. We wouldn’t have all that shooting in Baltimore and Chiraq if only we’d take down those statues of Lincoln and Jefferson. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1167 "2021-08-07T20:29:23Z")
I disagree with you on multiple points, but I think you’ll find that I am open to discussion and perhaps areas of agreement on nuclear power, immigration and voting id issues. Which is why I have supported having conservative thought continue to be a part of this board. Even when posters like you express positions I simply do not agree with and frankly find absurd. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1168 "2021-08-07T20:30:24Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > It’s not a fact that necessities such as Jordans, TVs, and cell phones were looted during the ‘peaceful protests?’ It’s not a fact that among the “looters” were right wing shit disturbers trying to plant a false flag? And to answer your questions, show me where progressive political figures or even garden variety activists promoted looting or suggested that burning down their businesses in their own neighborhoods would be a good idea. You can’t. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1169 "2021-08-07T20:30:55Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > As for ‘alternative facts’, the 1619 project, now being taught in schools, is a pack of lies and exaggerations. ‘Hands up - Don’t shoot’ was based on a lie. Democrats alternate between talking about how important CRT is, then denying that it exists when pressured. Democrats have asserted that the last election, filled with last minute ad-hoc rule changes and new voting practices that had completely unsecured chains of control over ballots, was somehow the most secure election in history. What a load of bull, the 1619 project reacted to the criticism and made changes, the changes from the right wing to that and CRT has been to declare the teaching of slavery and civil rights off limits. (Bigoted governors are using the Orwellian talking points as a reason to go after the teaching of shameful parts of our history) The ‘most secured election in history’ was a point made by a Republican appointed guy that was dismissed by Trump because he did not like what he said about the election. And about nuclear power, you forget that recently many are changing too about the use of nuclear power, the most recent Democrat senator from Arizona won by declaring also that nuclear power is needed until renewables are more available. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1170 "2021-08-07T20:34:04Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > The CCP is currently engaged in genocide you ignorant fool. And trying to equate the CCP to the um, _current_ left is making you look a trillion times more foolish. > [@octopus](#): > > And hell, when it comes to dredging up dated stuff you on the left like to blame all of society’s current ills on obscure statues. That’s been perfectly legitmate recognition of the _long-overdue_ addressing of past atrocites. Geez - I’m not gonna get a chance to go get a haircut, here. Fuck it, then - guess I’ll just deal with the gish gallop later, then. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1171 "2021-08-07T20:34:23Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > It’s not a fact that among the “looters” were right wing shit disturbers trying to plant a false flag? Nope, no conspiracy theories on the left. For what it’s worth, the conspiracy nuts on the right say the same thing about Jan 6. That it was all decent, non-violent Republicans except for some antifa types that showed up dressed like the right and started the violence. The notion that the bad stuff your side does is always a ‘false flag’ perpetrated by your enemies is not just conspiratorialist bullshit, it’s also a great way to maintain epistemic closure and never do any soul searxhing about the bad stuff done on your side. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1172 "2021-08-07T20:35:41Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > > > But they should be mocked and personally attacked mercilessly, at least if they defend/advocate for those beyond-the-pale policies or actions. They should not be welcome in polite society. > > We do not lack for this. Just look a the previous dozen posts. Mockery without mercy. > > But @Sam_Stone made one valid point about the fact that the conditions on the border are not markedly improved and Biden’s immigration policy, if it was Trump’s, would be the result of endless criticism and debate from the left. I’ve stopped watching CNN and MSNBC for the most part. But the silence on the subject from PBS and BBC is deafening. Not much discussion of it here on the boards either. Perhaps I’m wrong and have simply managed to be entirely blind to the highly charged controversy. You tell me. Political hypocrisy exists on both sides. But this is an entirely mundane point. And it hides a big important thing relating to this issue – Trump’s policy wasn’t just criticized because it was Trump, but because it was bigoted, purposefully cruel, and highly immoral. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1173 "2021-08-07T20:39:44Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > And that’s the biggest Democratic lie right there - that the squishy, uncontrolled election you just went through under emergency COVID protocols and which left half the country in an uproar was somehow the height of enlightened democracy and secure elections, and any attempt to install some prodedural controls over that mess or restore the rules to what they were pre-COVID is destroying the very concept of fairness and democracy. This is total bullshit (and harmful bullshit). Republicans are trying to institute policies that will let them overturn elections regardless of evidence. They’re trying to take over local control of elections in places like Fulton County GA, just because it’s majority black (and thus very blue). They’re trying to make it harder to vote in Democratic areas, with indefensible policies like making it illegal to distribute water to voters standing in line. And all of this is driven by Trump’s lies about the election. Voter ID is a separate issue, and there can be reasonable discussion about that. But not about GA trying to take over Fulton County elections. Not about AZ legislators trying to make it legal for elections to be overturned with no evidence. Not about criminalizing distribution of water to voters in line. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1174 "2021-08-07T20:40:03Z")
Yes, _some_ people on both sides embrace conspiracy theories. The difference - and pay attention - is that one party is going to the mat to push conspiracy theories, whereas the other is not. And a number of Republicans and former Republicans have pointed that out repeatedly - radical leftists like Bill Kristol, Rick Wilson, Michael Steele, Ralph Peters…I could go on. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1175 "2021-08-07T20:40:32Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Political hypocrisy exists on both sides. But this is an entirely mundane point. And it hides a big important thing relating to this issue – Trump’s policy wasn’t just criticized because it was Trump, but because it was bigoted, purposefully cruel, and highly immoral. The problem isn’t so much that the media criticised Trump - he deserved a lot of criticism - the problem is how much they aren’t criticising Biden, and aren’t holding his government to account. The border is a perfect example. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1176 "2021-08-07T20:42:54Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I disagree. Not that Trumpists should be banned – they shouldn’t. But they should be mocked and personally attacked mercilessly, at least if they defend/advocate for those beyond-the-pale policies or actions. They should not be welcome in polite society. Somewhere Andy’s Republican twin is saying the same thing about liberals. Pure intolerance. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1177 "2021-08-07T20:42:58Z")
The border isn’t even an issue for most Americans as most of us live hundreds of miles away from it. The border is being cynically used by right wing figures to distract their own voters so that they don’t figure out how badly they’ve fucked them with COVID misinformation. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1178 "2021-08-07T20:43:43Z")
No it’s not. The border has been like this for decades, off and on. This isn’t some new crisis – it’s just how it is when Central American countries are extremely dangerous and poor, and thus tons of people want to get into the US. If there were an obvious solution, it would have been done already. But Trump didn’t solve it – he didn’t even make a dent. No one has solved it, because it’s incredibly hard to control a huge land border when tons of people want to get in. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1179 "2021-08-07T20:45:51Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > The border isn’t even an issue for most Americans as most of us live hundreds of miles away from it. The border is being cynically used by right wing figures to distract their own voters so that they don’t figure out how badly they’ve fucked them with COVID misinformation. It seemed to be a big issue when Trump was president, despite those same hundreds of miles intervening. You’re not interested what happens to illegal immigrants now Biden’s in charge? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1180 "2021-08-07T20:45:52Z")
Who cares? Somewhere a Nazi is saying the same thing about Jews. Somewhere an anti-trans bigot is saying the same thing about trans people. Who cares what irrational, bigoted strangers might say about another stranger somewhere on the internet? Yes, people who defend Trump’s purposefully cruel policies are ignorant, bigoted, malevolent, dishonest, or some combination. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1181 "2021-08-07T20:46:10Z")
Biden doesn’t have a policy of deliberate cruelty to migrants. ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1182 "2021-08-07T20:46:46Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > It’s not a fact that necessities such as Jordans, TVs, and cell phones were looted during the ‘peaceful protests?’ What is a fact is that those who keep repeating the lie that BLM protests were somehow in any way equivalent to the mob of January 6 are the ones insisting that looters are the same as protesters, just because there were Black looters and Black protesters. Draw whatever conclusion you want from that. ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1183 "2021-08-07T20:49:18Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > It’s not a fact that the CCP is responsible for an order of magnitude more death than practically any other institution with maybe the exception of the Soviet Union yet gets less pushback than a statue of Teddy Roosevelt? Nobody is claiming that the CCP is a warm fuzzy liberal organization. Nobody. We’ve all read a book or two (whatever our educational levels) and we’ve all heard of the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution and all that. So, what, you want another Cold War? ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1184 "2021-08-07T20:50:48Z")
A good place for me to repeat that I have no problem with most of the conservatives on this board, I like quite a few of them - including you. There’s only about a half dozen or so I have an issue with, and they are the same issues you’re having. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474.md?page=58) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474.md?page=60)