# Let me be real clear: this message board does NOT need conservatives **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 28, 2021, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474 "2021-07-28T02:12:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 60
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1185 "2021-08-07T20:51:43Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Who cares what irrational, bigoted strangers might say about another stranger somewhere on the internet? _This_ is your argument for why I should ignore what you’re saying? 🤨 And I’ve never seen a ‘terf’ say anything remotely like that. Mostly they say ‘sunlight is the best disinfectant’. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Biden doesn’t have a policy of deliberate cruelty to migrants. Oh, well. Nothing bad ever resulted from well intentioned policies, or thoughtless ones. Obviously we have nothing to worry about. 🙄 🙄 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1186 "2021-08-07T20:51:55Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > A good place for me to repeat that I have no problem with most of the conservatives on this board, I like quite a few of them - including you. Much appreciated, really – and you’re one of my favorite posters (even when I disagree with you), but what in God’s name ever gave you the idea that I’m a conservative? ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1187 "2021-08-07T20:53:00Z")
> [@Saintly\_Loser](#): > > Much appreciated, really – and you’re one of my favorite posters (even when I disagree with you), but what in God’s name ever gave you the idea that I’m a conservative? 🤣 🤣 🤣 I knew this would happen. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1188 "2021-08-07T20:53:46Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > lincoln project folks are just as confused, disturbed as anyone else would be and they are trying to launder their own part in the moral cratering of their party. Of course they are upset, and want to protect their images, careers, dignity, etc. I don’t think that’s fair. When people do the right thing, we should start with applauding that, not second-guessing their motives. And in this case, not only are they showing the Republican party the way, but Democrats too. Too many Democrats and PACs still try to play politics with old-fashioned rules of decorum. Call a spade a spade FFS. Let alone people like Manchin searching for bipartisan consensus, who are essentially enablers at this point. > [@octopus](#): > > The progressive left is the greatest danger to the west because they sugar coat their poisonous, destructive, hypocritical self loathing philosophy with superficial pleasantries. The progressive left are pushing policies that are essentially the same as Western europe: strong social safety net, free healthcare, higher minimum wage, higher marginal tax rates, gun control etc. I’ve lived most of my life in such a hellscape. I’ve walked the mean streets of Stockholm, pausing only to buy a coffee and a cake. Let alone the do-gooders who did my expensive heart surgery as a child; trampling all over my right to have lived into adulthood with a chronic condition. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1189 "2021-08-07T20:56:00Z")
Great bullshit strawman, from one of the board’s recurring lying trolls! Fuck off back to your home planet, troll. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1190 "2021-08-07T20:57:27Z")
Who said they were equivalent? I’m sure a lot more shoes and tvs were stolen and a lot more businesses burned and a lot more injuries and life lost during the ‘summer of love’ ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1191 "2021-08-07T20:57:45Z")
The mask is slipping. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1192 "2021-08-07T20:58:56Z")
That’d be inconvenient for your party’s overlords and financiers. Where would they get the slave labor and surveillance state to keep them in line? ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1193 "2021-08-07T20:59:26Z")
I tried, I really did. But you’re not worth either talking to or defending. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1194 "2021-08-07T21:00:02Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Great bullshit strawman, from one of the board’s recurring lying trolls! Fuck off back to your home planet, troll. …isn’t there a saying about how liars think everyone’s a liar, and cheaters think everyone cheats? 🤔 Maybe I need to stop feeding you? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1195 "2021-08-07T21:00:03Z")
The U.S. border crisis is real, and it has a lot to do with a growing ecological/political crisis in the Americas that is only going to get worse. The difference is that Trump used the crisis to inflict cruelty as a deterrent against migration. In a lot of cases, yes, the living conditions still suck for many of these migrants but it’s not because Biden is deliberately using them to make examples of them in an attempt to deter migration. Intentions matter. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1196 "2021-08-07T21:00:10Z")
I thought you were a “self-confessed” one. I could’ve sworn I read something by you at some point where you identified as conservative, and I was a little surprised. But maybe I misread it or mixed you up with someone else. No offense🙂 And I’m going to go out on a limb and say I think we used to be neighbors……although I may be wrong about that, too. Astoria NY, possibly in the 30th Ave vicinity? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1197 "2021-08-07T21:00:14Z")
Says another troll who hasn’t made a thoughtful post in months, if not years. Fuck off. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1198 "2021-08-07T21:01:42Z")
Stirring up snark while attempting to be a message board pollyanna is quite a difficult role to maintain andy. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1199 "2021-08-07T21:03:25Z")
Unfortunately thoughtless trolling takes almost no effort, and is thus perfect for such an incredibly lazy poster like yourself. At least Demontree puts effort into her trolling. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1200 "2021-08-07T21:10:32Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > > [@drad\_dog](#): > > > > What does that mean about trolling here and refusing to be someone with a real opinion, but rather just dragging “others” opinions? > > I have a “real opinion”. I’ve stated it repeatedly. I find it tedious to continue to need to ‘show my papers’ in order to have a conversation in which I might disagree with the prevailing opinion or position. But then you are resenting the basic foundations necessary for intelligent debate or discussion. Of course you have to show your work in any opinion you state. Otherwise you might as well be saying that you believe gravity is caused by fairies. If you claim something dubious on the SDMB, the response will always be “Cite?” If you resent that, then there’s no reason to post here. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1201 "2021-08-07T21:11:04Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > The U.S. border crisis is real, and it has a lot to do with a growing ecological/political crisis in the Americas that is only going to get worse. The difference is that Trump used the crisis to inflict cruelty as a deterrent against migration. In a lot of cases, yes, the living conditions still suck for many of these migrants but it’s not because Biden is deliberately using them to make examples of them in an attempt to deter migration. Intentions matter. You act like there’s nothing that can be done about it, as if policies have no effect. But that’s not true. And Biden would be a lot more likely to do something about it if the press held him to account. It makes it seem like it’s just another exercise in partisan politics. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1202 "2021-08-07T21:13:22Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > Somewhere Andy’s Republican twin is saying the same thing about liberals. Pure intolerance. Both sides aren’t doing “it” > [@Mijin](#): > > I don’t think that’s fair. When people do the right thing, we should start with applauding that, not second-guessing their motives. And in this case, not only are they showing the Republican party the way, but Democrats too. Not fair to say they are ex republicans who have big political problems and baggage? I liked the ads, and I empathize with them, but I am not going into happyland because someone did the right thing once. People get all proud of doing what they’re supposed to do nowadays. You know what Liz Cheney will do about voter suppression? She likes it. She is for a lot of the things that are extremely dangerous right now. I don’t know about Steve Schmidt but I can’t accept righties who are not being thoughtful and reflective of their own part in what has become the new reality. It is infantile. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1203 "2021-08-07T21:15:24Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Of course you have to show your work in any opinion you state. > [@BigT](#): > > And, finally, when it comes to certain things, it is black and white. Bigotry is wrong. If you argue that a minority is a scary threat to you, you are objectively being bigoted. If you refuse to back down when you are told by the minority in question that you are being bigoted, then you do not care about them. I’m not seeing any work-showing here. Bald assertion, and everyone better agree **or else**. > [@BigT](#): > > Bigotry will be stopped, no matter how much weaseling you guys do to try and make it okay. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1204 "2021-08-07T21:15:31Z")
I’d like to specify that while octo and DT are obvious trolls, IMO, @Sam_Stone is not. Hilariously gullible sometimes, yes. An unlimited amount of willingness to assume good faith on the right, but not so much the left, yes, very often. But I’ve never doubted his sincerity. I don’t think octo or DT have contributed anything that improves the board in months, if not years (aside from a few non-trolling posts from DT that I recall, perhaps), but Sam is not a bad poster, and generally clearly and honestly lays out his thoughts, AFAICT. He’s just monumentally wrong very often, sometimes to the point of deserving a bit of brutal mockery. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474.md?page=59) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474.md?page=61)