# Let me be real clear: this message board does NOT need conservatives **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 28, 2021, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474 "2021-07-28T02:12:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 61
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1205 "2021-08-07T21:16:12Z")
What could Biden do about the border? Please be specific. Lay out the policies that would solve the problem that no administration has been able to solve in decades. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1206 "2021-08-07T21:16:42Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > Not fair to say they are ex republicans who have big political problems and baggage? That’s not the part I took exception to, or quoted. Again the bit I thought was not fair was “Of course they […] want to protect their images, careers, dignity, etc.” ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1207 "2021-08-07T21:20:46Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > Both sides aren’t doing “it” Well, it’s true I haven’t actually seen a Republican saying similar things to Andy, but having seen them I think the changes are pretty damn good. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > He’s just monumentally wrong very often, sometimes to the point of deserving a bit of brutal mockery. Fucking hell, can you even hear yourself? What is _wrong_ with you? ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1208 "2021-08-07T21:21:41Z")
The two things are identical IMO. If you think they are innocent then I have a bridge to sell you. > [@Mijin](#): > > to protect their images, careers, dignity, How could this not be the case? They aren’t even human? Their political party has become a disaster, that they need protection from as far as I can tell. Just a fair and true fact. They have been harrassed and all kinds of stuff. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1209 "2021-08-07T21:21:44Z")
Do I want tens of millions migrating into the US unchecked? Of course not - something should be done to mitigate the influx. Something is being done about it. But Biden is trying to do this while maintaining a sense of humanity, which for whatever reason you seem to be against. What should Biden or any US president do? Should we inflict cruelty? Should we let CBP shoot them as they try to swim across the river? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1210 "2021-08-07T21:23:25Z")
Wow, I’d think someone who stirs stuff up to snark about it with other posters and mods is more of a classical troll than someone who doesn’t align with the hive. But I’m not the one who believes in redefining words to advance an ideological agenda. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1211 "2021-08-07T21:26:22Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > Well, it’s true I haven’t actually seen a Republican saying similar things to Andy, but having seen them I think the changes are pretty damn good. No I’m saying that both sideism is played out as a thing here. It’s not addressing any real political problem or issues. It’s a dodge. Cons will have to find a new thing. Good luck. You have to reflect and introspect meaningfully about the intersection of trump, the movement, and yourself, to get anywhere further politically. Everything else is just trolling. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1212 "2021-08-07T21:28:55Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Do I want tens of millions migrating into the US unchecked? Of course not - something should be done to mitigate the influx. Something is being done about it. But Biden is trying to do this while maintaining a sense of humanity, which for whatever reason you seem to be against. What should Biden or any US president do? Should we inflict cruelty? Should we let CBP shoot them as they try to swim across the river? If he was going to relax border enforcement, he could at least have planned to deal with the inevitable surge in migrants. And he could have kept fairly strict enforcement while ending egregious aspects like family separation. But really, it’s just kinda noteworthy how little _interest_ the topic attracts since Biden took over. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1213 "2021-08-07T21:29:19Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > someone who doesn’t align with the hive. Denying science is not being outside of the hive. You’ve been on that Hive kick forever. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1214 "2021-08-07T21:40:24Z")
Mockery makes dishonest trolls sad. 😢 ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1215 "2021-08-07T21:42:33Z")
Did you guys hear? Someone was mocked on the internet! How will our society ever recover? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1216 "2021-08-07T21:43:41Z")
We’re dealing with record numbers of migrants because of years of bad politics and climate change is basically leading to failed states in Central America. It’s an unprecedented situation. This trend is not going to reverse itself - maybe not ever. Most models predict that some parts of Central America will be barely habitable during the warmest months, and it will get pummeled by ever more powerful hurricanes and tropical storms. We should be glad that Mexico, rampant lawlessness aside, isn’t a failed state yet. Because then there’s no way in hell we’d be able to control the border. Europe can look forward to this as well as states from North Africa to the Levant ultimately begin to fail as they are in the Americas. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1217 "2021-08-07T21:45:11Z")
You can’t find a single post where I’ve denied science. Not one. Social justice ideology and wokeism is not science. It’s nonsense used to control people. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1218 "2021-08-07T21:45:56Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Mockery makes dishonest trolls sad. Revolted is a better word. That’s how deliberate cruelty makes me feel. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1219 "2021-08-07T21:47:08Z")
That’s a bold position for a British person. Never figured anyone would consider the likes of Monty Python or Blackadder “cruel” (not that I’m nearly as clever at mockery as they are). ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1220 "2021-08-07T21:52:00Z")
Can you really not tell the difference between light-hearted, well-intentioned mockery of friends, and saying people should be ‘brutally mocked’ and ‘personally attacked mercilessly’ because you feel they _deserve_ to suffer? Or are you just being disingenuous? ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1221 "2021-08-07T22:01:15Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > We’re dealing with record numbers of migrants because of years of bad politics and climate change is basically leading to failed states in Central America. It’s an unprecedented situation. This trend is not going to reverse itself - maybe not ever. Most models predict that some parts of Central America will be barely habitable during the warmest months, and it will get pummeled by ever more powerful hurricanes and tropical storms. Pretty sure the immediate cause is Biden softening Trump’s restrictions and indicating he’s more friendly to immigrants. Parts of Central America being a lawless hellhole is a longstanding problem (and one to which US policies have contributed materially). I admit I don’t know much about the influence of climate change on the issue. Do you know of a good article to learn about it? > [@asahi](#): > > We should be glad that Mexico, rampant lawlessness aside, isn’t a failed state yet. Because then there’s no way in hell we’d be able to control the border. Europe can look forward to this as well as states from North Africa to the Levant ultimately begin to fail as they are in the Americas. The mass migration from Syria in 2015 gave a huge boost to the far-right. I don’t want to think about what might happen if this comes to pass. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1222 "2021-08-07T22:02:22Z")
Deserving mockery and deserving to suffer are not remotely the same thing. I never said anything about the latter, you lying troll. Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1223 "2021-08-07T22:07:48Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > The problem isn’t so much that the media criticised Trump - he deserved a lot of criticism - the problem is how much they aren’t criticising Biden, and aren’t holding his government to account. The border is a perfect example. To keep it in the OPs sphere, you should know that several of the posters mentioned that do not discuss in good faith defended bigoted nativist talking points in the past, some also tried to pass as environmentalists too. (That we should keep immigrants out as they increase their carbon footprint when coming to a developed nation; suffice to say, not even the environmentalist groups they tried to control fell for the ruse). ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1224 "2021-08-07T22:09:35Z")
You deny reality constantly. You never actually talk about any issue, as you have already given it a knee jerk fascist nickname which entitles you to just avoid it and make a political project out of name calling people you can’t see. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474.md?page=60) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474.md?page=62)