# Let me be real clear: this message board does NOT need conservatives **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 28, 2021, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474 "2021-07-28T02:12:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 62
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1225 "2021-08-07T22:19:15Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Dated? The CCP is currently engaged in genocide you ignorant fool. Glad you mentioned that, in the past I showed to the ones that are against Critical Race Theory papers that used the CRT framework that showed the criminal behavior of the CCP against the Uyghurs. Guess what party is passing laws against teaching about CRT in the US right now? If you fail to notice (and chances are that as usual, you do), the new laws against CRT also ban the teaching of research like that one in several red states. … ignorant shithead… ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1226 "2021-08-07T22:22:34Z")
It will happen, and yes, the far right will get an even bigger boost. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1227 "2021-08-07T22:26:17Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > How could this not be the case? They aren’t even human? Their political party has become a disaster, that they need protection from as far as I can tell. Just a fair and true fact. This is a board (ostensibly) about “fighting ignorance”. You don’t get to throw accusations with the only supporting argument or evidence being “it stands to reason”. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1228 "2021-08-07T22:41:04Z")
Oh I get to. But I can’t see what you are getting at. So folks on the Lincoln Project should not be thought about by using any pesky facts about who they are or what they have done or what their motivations might be? Because that would not be fair to them? How about fair to democracy. The Republican project has a lot of actors doing things that other actors disapprove of but those things all get done and we live with them. So Mitch hates trump, and Schmidt hates mitch and trump, and Liz hates trump and Kevin. But they are all for voter suppression. See how it works? The idea that the Lincoln Project are not worried about the chaos and violence in their political party and their own place in it 2021 is beyond ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![SunUp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SunUp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunUp)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1229 "2021-08-07T22:52:39Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > I admit I don’t know much about the influence of climate change on the issue. Do you know of a good article to learn about it? Not asahi, of course, but: [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-08/climate-change-has-central-americans-fleeing-to-the-u-s](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-08/climate-change-has-central-americans-fleeing-to-the-u-s) looks pretty good from a brief reading. (Their captcha isn’t too difficult.) There’s also > **[It’s Not a Border Crisis. It’s a Climate Crisis.](https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/07/19/guatemala-immigration-climate-change-499281)** > > There was a time when rural Guatemalans never left home. But back-to-back hurricanes, failed crops and extreme poverty are driving them to make the dangerous trek north to the U.S. border. Another one from a couple years back, nonquantitative in nature: > **[How climate change is driving emigration from Central America](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/how-climate-change-is-driving-emigration-from-central-america)** > > The link between environmental instability and emigration from Central America became apparent in the late 1990s and early 2000s as earthquakes and hurricanes, especially Hurricane Mitch in 1998 and its aftermath, were ravaging parts of... I also found a couple sites with some raw-ish data on unauthorized immigration in general: > **[Illegal Immigration Statistics - FactCheck.org](https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/illegal-immigration-statistics/)** > > Much of the political rhetoric in recent weeks has focused on illegal immigration. We thought it would be helpful to take a step back and look at some measures of illegal immigration in a larger context. They have a table of “Southwest Border Apprehensions” that shows the NAFTA-created crisis of the 1990’s in sharp detail, given the typical assumption that apprehensions are linearly related to illegal immigration activity. and the government has plenty at: [https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics](https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics) > **[Estimates of the Unauthorized Immigrant Population Residing in the United...](https://www.dhs.gov/ohss/topics/immigration/population-estimates/unauthorized-resident)** > > Estimates of the Unauthorized Immigrant Population Residing in the U.S. by period of entry, region and country of origin, state of residence, age, and sex. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1230 "2021-08-07T22:52:58Z")
The difference is, there’s a mountain of evidence supporting the notion that the Capitol riot was an attempted insurrection. On the contrary, there’s very little evidence that BLM associated protests were encouraged by left wing radicals. That is largely a fiction. And by now, I can’t excuse you for not knowing - there’s a difference between “I honestly didn’t know” and “No, no, no, no!” You’re being willfully ignorant because it isn’t compatible with your belief system. As I said, loyalty to ideology over the facts. > **[AP finds most arrested in protests aren't leftist radicals](https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-race-and-ethnicity-suburbs-health-racial-injustice-7edf9027af1878283f3818d96c54f748)** > > WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump portrays the hundreds of people arrested nationwide in protests against racial injustice as violent urban left-wing radicals... The reason why I call you and other conservatives out is because this insistence on a commitment to your baseless belief system is dangerous. It means that you are incapable of reaching consensus with others, and guess what, bud: democracy and liberty don’t function very well when one side says “Fuck compromise.” It puts the rest of us in danger. You live in a world of reactionary, superstitious fear of things you don’t understand and refuse to understand - and the rest of us have to bear the consequences when people on ‘your side’ react out of that fear. I am fucking sick and tired of living in that world. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1231 "2021-08-07T22:56:23Z")
Good post and articles. @DemonTree you’ve been flogged in this thread, and frankly, I’ve felt inclined to say similar things, but I will give you credit for responding in earnest to my posts. I felt like we’ve at least had a relatively thoughtful conversation - at least between you and me. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2021, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1232 "2021-08-08T00:01:04Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I don’t think octo or DT have contributed anything that improves the board in months, if not years (aside from a few non-trolling posts from DT that I recall, perhaps) DemonTree seems to me to be improving lately. There were some posts earlier in this thread – as well as quite recently – that appeared to me to be actual discussion. – I had finally had a chance to partially work out some response to posts several days ago; but coming back to the thread now I’m not at all sure there’s any sense in bothering to respond to something now about 300 posts back in the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2021, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1233 "2021-08-08T01:20:24Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > You live in a world of reactionary, superstitious fear of things you don’t understand and refuse to understand - and the **rest of us have to bear the consequences when people on ‘your side’ react out of that fear.** I am fucking sick and tired of living in that world. Yeah, a nice jib-cut. > [@thorny\_locust](#): > > …but coming back to the thread now I’m not at all sure there’s any sense in bothering to respond to something now about 300 posts back in the thread. Meh, I did, FWIW edit: especially if you feel it was not sufficiently addressed back then, hence my (intra?)thread de-zombie-ing. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2021, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1234 "2021-08-08T03:34:31Z")
Let me recap why I pitted the supposedly ‘rational’ conservative D\_Anconia. > [@Are you wearing a mask if you go out in public?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-wearing-a-mask-if-you-go-out-in-public/852448/156): > > Public health officials are already beginning to revise their mask guidance. Are you saying that they’re making unscientific decisions? > [@Are you wearing a mask if you go out in public?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-wearing-a-mask-if-you-go-out-in-public/852448/157): > > Possibly, but as far as I know, the guidelines have NOT changed yet. Do you know something we don’t? > [@Are you wearing a mask if you go out in public?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-wearing-a-mask-if-you-go-out-in-public/852448/159): > > The CDC just might actually be a little slow with this round of mask guidance, just as they were slow with the initial mask guidance. It’s also worth noting that the CDC is not the only health agency. The CDC makes decisions based on science; they are not to be confused with the science itself. > [@Are you wearing a mask if you go out in public?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-wearing-a-mask-if-you-go-out-in-public/852448/160): > > I just think it’s odd that now some people think they know better than the CDC. > [@Are you wearing a mask if you go out in public?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-wearing-a-mask-if-you-go-out-in-public/852448/161): > > I trust the CDC a lot of the time, but they’ve made some bad calls and their mask guidance is an example. Deciding not to track breakthrough cases is another. They’re not infallible. And again, they’re not the only public health agency on earth. > [@Are you wearing a mask if you go out in public?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-wearing-a-mask-if-you-go-out-in-public/852448/164): > > CDC changed its guidance. So what does that tell you? > [@Are you wearing a mask if you go out in public?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-you-wearing-a-mask-if-you-go-out-in-public/852448/172): > > It tells me they don’t know what they are talking about. But for the last 18 months, officials at all levels of government have been imploring us to “follow the guidelines”. It can’t be both. One can’t have their cake, and eat it. There you have it. D\_Anconia was on using “CDC guidance” when it supported his worldview, and then dropped them like a heavy sofa when it didn’t. That is so motherfucking dishonest - and people like D\_Anconia, Octoputz, and others know it. They’re just trolling or being otherwise facts-resistant. That is disingenuous. That’s the opposite of fighting ignorance. That’s fighting to defend ego and ignorance. And that is why I created this thread, to expose this horse shit for what it is. I don’t give a god damn if some middling, know-nothing “moderates” like @panache45 or @Oredigger77 don’t like it. They just want consensus and peace. People who want good things, who want a society based on pluralism and inclusion don’t have that option anymore. We are forced to be militaristic assholes. Don’t blame me for being a militaristic asshole in defense of a value system that has worked well for all of us but is now under attack. Blame the assholes who a) attack this ethic and b) those who moderate and refuse to defend the values most of us here on SDMB have long subscribed to. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2021, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1235 "2021-08-08T03:49:08Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Don’t blame me for being a militaristic asshole in defense of a value system that has worked well for all of us but is now under attack. You’re a militaristic asshole the same way the drunk at the end of the bar is. You make a lot of noise about fighting, while drinking your evening away. Then you go home to masterbate about how tough you were. Everyone else just thinks your annoying and wishes the bouncer would throw you out. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2021, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1236 "2021-08-08T03:50:24Z")
I’m sorry you don’t like what you see in the mirror mother fucker. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2021, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1237 "2021-08-08T03:51:48Z")
There is that “I’m rubber you’re glue” wit you’re so famous for. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2021, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1238 "2021-08-08T03:53:14Z")
You’re a weak, limp dick mother fucker who has no values. You are a bitch man who has no spine and no beliefs about anything. There is nothing you would die for other than your own self-centered shit. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2021, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1239 "2021-08-08T03:54:13Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > There is nothing you would die for other than your own self-centered shit. Ouch, you’ve wounded me. Please, go find a cause you would die for. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2021, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1240 "2021-08-08T03:55:45Z")
Fuck off and don’t contribute to this thread if you’re just going to be a limp dick. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2021, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1241 "2021-08-08T03:56:30Z")
I think now **asahi** is reverting to his previous form. Vodka is a hell of a drug… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2021, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1242 "2021-08-08T03:58:40Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > don’t contribute to this thread if you’re just going to be a limp dick. Wow, that has to be one of the weirdest cases of junior moding I’ve ever seen. I guess you’d prefer me to be a rock hard cock? Maybe all up in your shit? I’m really not sure where to go with such a weird insult. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2021, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1243 "2021-08-08T04:00:31Z")
You’re a moronic, limp dick, weak ass poster. Just shut the fuck up and stop posting on threads where you’re in over your head - like this one. It’s real easy. Just don’t respond. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2021, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1244 "2021-08-08T04:02:17Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Just don’t respond. Sounds like a plan. Make sure you love yourself extra hard tonight since you were such a big tough hard man tonight. No one else does. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474.md?page=61) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474.md?page=63)