# Let me be real clear: this message board does NOT need conservatives **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 28, 2021, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474 "2021-07-28T02:12:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 97
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1926 "2021-08-25T20:24:53Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > {…} I think what we really need is a Box forum like they have at Giraffe Boards. {…} On behalf of octopus, [https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BountifulFlawlessHarborporpoise-max-1mb.gif](https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BountifulFlawlessHarborporpoise-max-1mb.gif) ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1927 "2021-08-25T20:27:06Z")
If I may summarize the replies to your useless post so far – all of which I agree with – everything in your post is wrong. In fact, everything in your post is _ **stupidly wrong** _. Everything. And incidentally, it’s also riddled with spelling and grammar mistakes. So, IOW, this is a somewhat illiterate compilation of stupid claims that are all factually wrong. If this is supposed to be a defense of conservatism from **[someone who describes himself as “a extreme conservative”](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-conservatives-so-strongly-oppose-the-idea-of-climate-change/819713/204)** [sic] then it’s an embarrassing failure. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1928 "2021-08-25T20:28:46Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Speaking on behalf of the board moderation, a thread titled “This board doesn’t need liberals,” would be 100% allowed as a topic. Heck, for certain definitions of “liberal,” I might even give an OP premised upon such lines a fair hearing. Ironically, if it weren’t for PragerU, I might not have been inspired to inquire into the difference between “liberal” and “leftist” ideologies. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1929 "2021-08-25T21:17:51Z")
I wouldn’t be so quick to lump your dumb ass into the so-called adult conversationalists. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1930 "2021-08-25T21:25:42Z")
Animals that have failed the [mirror test](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_test), > ### Cephalopods > > Octopuses oriented towards their image in a mirror, but no difference in their behaviour (as observed by humans) was seen in this condition when compared with a view of other octopuses. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1931 "2021-08-25T22:25:29Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > I think what we really need is a Box forum like they have at Giraffe Boards. I’m in favor of this myself. Restrict folks for a period of time, or forever, to the box. They can start threads in their own little slice of heaven and people will interact with them if they so choose. The truly terrible can still get banned. ETA: I think one reason this didn’t gain traction here is that it wasn’t easily feasible before. Maybe it’s easier now? ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1932 "2021-08-25T22:55:00Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Really, it’s not conservatives that we don’t need. It’s people who make disingenuous arguments, Like modern day conservatives. ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1933 "2021-08-25T23:05:43Z")
> [@JakeRS](#): > > Most of the so called “liberals” have nothing against their current president being allies with Saudi Arabia, even though it treats its people a million times worse than any “conservative” they talk about 24/7, Hipocrisy at it’s best. You’ve got a point. ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1934 "2021-08-25T23:07:19Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > But there are other posters like DemonTree and Martin Hyde who can make points and rationally defend their conservative positions (granted, the positions they are defending are typically still pretty far left of the mainstream Republican positions, which can’t really be rationally defended). Yep. I think SDMB would be less than it is withot those posters, even though I disagree with them pretty much every time them post, or speak, or even breathe. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1935 "2021-08-25T23:19:55Z")
I don’t think most American liberals “have nothing against” being allies with Saudi Arabia. It appears liberals, or at least Democrats, are not being hypocrites on Saudi Arabia. > **[econTabReport.pdf](https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/yoolhxrark/econTabReport.pdf)** > > 543.94 KB **_The Economist_/YouGov Poll** **December 2 - 4, 2018 - 1500 US Adults** **Do you approve or disapprove of the way Donald Trump is handling Saudi Arabia?** |   | Total | Dem | Ind | Rep | | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | | Strongly approve | 15% | 3% | 12% | 32% | | Somewhat approve | 19% | 4% | 18% | 39% | | Somewhat disapprove | 14% | 15% | 14% | 11% | | Strongly disapprove | 33% | 65% | 28% | 4% | | No opinion | 20% | 13% | 27% | 15% | | — | — | — | — | — | | Totals | 101% | 100% | 99% | 101% | | Unweighted N | (1,497) | (532) | (589) | (376) | **Do you support or oppose the U.S. policy of selling weapons and other military equipment to Saudi Arabia?** |   | Total | Dem | Ind | Rep | | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | | Support | 21% | 5% | 19% | 41% | | Oppose | 54% | 77% | 52% | 31% | | Unsure | 25% | 18% | 29% | 28% | | — | — | — | — | — | | Totals | 100% | 100% | 100% | 100% | | Unweighted N | (1,500) | (535) | (589) | (376) | **Do you support or oppose the U.S. policy of providing military equipment and logistical assistance to Saudi Arabia’s intervention in the civil war in Yemen?** |   | Total | Dem | Ind | Rep | | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | | Support | 18% | 6% | 15% | 36% | | Oppose | 48% | 69% | 46% | 28% | | Unsure | 34% | 25% | 39% | 36% | | — | — | — | — | — | | Totals | 100% | 100% | 100% | 100% | | Unweighted N | (1,496) | (533) | (587) | (376) | […] **Do you think the U.S. government should or should not impose some kind of sanction against the Saudi government?** |   | Total | Dem | Ind | Rep | | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | | Should sanction the Saudi government | 47% | 70% | 39% | 31% | | Should not sanction the Saudi government | 19% | 8% | 19% | 31% | | Not sure | 34% | 22% | 41% | 38% | | — | — | — | — | — | | Totals | 100% | 100% | 99% | 100% | | Unweighted N | (1,492) | (534) | (584) | (374) | ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1936 "2021-08-25T23:28:35Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > I don’t think most American liberals “have nothing against” being allies with Saudi Arabia. And yet we’re on good terms with them, no matter which party is in power, whether in the executive branch or the legislative branch. I would think that any administration, and any legislature, and any party, would write the Saudis off as a barbaric relic of some best-forgotten past. And yet we don’t. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1937 "2021-08-25T23:32:30Z")
You can be against Saudi Arabia’s policies and yet not throw out the baby with the bathwater. Ditto North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Russia, etc… This whole “We don’t talk to or do business with evil” is a bunch of ethnocentric bullshit, as if we are somehow the paradigm of virtue that all the world should follow (laughing my ass off at that thought). ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1938 "2021-08-25T23:41:38Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > You can be against Saudi Arabia’s policies and yet not throw out the baby with the bathwater. Ditto North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Russia, etc… How many dead bodies do you see hanging from cranes in Cuba? Sorry, but Saudi Arabia is beyond the pale. Yes, Cuba is Cuba, and Venezuela is a failed state (amazingly, given the vast wealth they’re sitting on – you’d think it could at least be a corrupt state like Nigeria). And Russia is Russia. We have to deal with them. But there is no reaon on God’s green earth why we should treat that nation, that monarchy, that state, as an equal among nations. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1939 "2021-08-25T23:50:17Z")
> [@Saintly\_Loser](#): > > How many dead bodies do you see hanging from cranes in Cuba? Surely you don’t mean to imply we should cease diplomatic relations with a state simply because of the occasional public display of murder victims? (link from 2017) > **[Mexico violence: Six bodies found hanging from bridges near resort](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-42439421)** > > The men were tied above busy roads in the tourist region of Baja California Sur state, police say. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1940 "2021-08-25T23:53:35Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > Surely you don’t mean to imply we should cease diplomatic relations with a state simply because of the occasional public display of murder victims? The bodies hanging from cranes in Saudi Arabia were put there by the Saudi government. That’s a fairly gigantic difference between that, and the article you just linked to. ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1941 "2021-08-25T23:57:00Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > Surely you don’t mean to imply we should cease diplomatic relations with a state simply because of the occasional public display of murder victims? (link from 2017) Yes, I kind of do. Obviously, we (the US) have our issues there too, but Saudi Arabia? Good god, if they didn’t have oil, they’d be barbaric tribesmen who we wouldn’t even talk to. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1942 "2021-08-25T23:57:57Z")
I guess we need Saudi Arabia for strategic reasons. Believe me, I know all about Saudi Arabia’s filth, from their public executions, to their connections to 9/11, to their exportation of extremism. I think there’s a reason to speak to Saudi Arabia, even if we get clammy hands doing it. ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1943 "2021-08-25T23:59:20Z")
I get what you’re saying. I really do. But isn’t there a point, somewhere, where we just say “no”? If there isn’t, there should be. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1944 "2021-08-26T00:00:21Z")
Okay, I take it back. I had no idea the Saudi Arabian _state_ was still conducting public executions. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/1945 "2021-08-26T00:00:44Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > The bodies hanging from cranes in Saudi Arabia were put there by the Saudi government. That’s a fairly gigantic difference between that, and the article you just linked to. Yeah, something went screwy there. I most certainly didn’t link to that article. I can’t explain what happened. But I assure you, I didn’t link to that article. That was someone else. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474.md?page=96) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474.md?page=98)