I will preempt you: SHUT THE FUCK UP!!! STOP POSTING!
I just might. I just might.
Loving myself extra hard. Loving myself extra hard.
I hate to interrupt someone mid stroke but point out where I’ve been unscientific. I just don’t get that critique. I’m not confused by 2nd grade biology nor do I exploit it to advance a bankrupt ideology but I digress.
And asahi, if you are going to ridicule a message board name at least don’t plagiarize the mean girls.
God damn, fuck Discourse for its AI shit.
Tell us what you really mean?
(I mean it’s not like it’s not clear to some of us, but surely you can actually defend your position once it’s been made clear . . . right?)
But Democrats have been castigating the failings of Andrew Cuomo (and other misbehaving Democrats) without requiring any inspiration from conservatives.
It’s not that the general principle of different ideologies providing each other with more balanced perspectives is a bad thing. It’s that the movement identified as “conservatism” in American politics these days is so far off the rails when it comes to facts and ethics that it’s no longer capable of providing useful perspectives to rational responsible people.
Nobody needs Trump supporters and Gaetz supporters telling them that it’s wrong for Andrew Cuomo to sexually harass people. The cognitive dissonance involved in that level of glaring hypocrisy just completely overwhelms any theoretical value that the message might have.
You do seem to be confused by the fact that actual biology is more subtle and complicated than the heavily distorted oversimplified version generally considered suitable for the understanding of second-graders, though.
I’m right here!
I’d be interested to see your reply. You were willing to debate seriously about a subject where there are not perhaps any easy answers, rather than going for the usual black-and-white thinking.
Yeah, you’re not seeing the difference here. wiki
You can only be pretending to be doing the lighthearted version if people aren’t trying to ban people or hassle the people that they’re mocking. If you’re doing that, it becomes the cruel version because banning/hassling people is the only punishment possible on a message board. And no, it doesn’t matter that it’s not happening physically since words are all people have on a message board. If words on a message board don’t count, then no one would be upset that some people are using the wrong words in this thread.
I mocked Sam, but I specifically said I don’t want Sam to be banned. I’m not even sure what “hassling” could be on a message board.
I can’t believe mockery is such a controversial topic.
I don’t understand why you can’t see the issue. Light-hearted mockery is what you do with your friends. You’re talking about bullying, plain and simple. You don’t want to ban Trump supporters, you just want to make the board as miserable as possible for them. Maybe real life too, you didn’t specify.
You’re starting down a very dangerous road when you degree some group as not deserving basic respect, and see causing them harm as a righteous action. There’s a thousand examples of this and all of them bad.
That’s not what I’ve advocated. If someone says that yes, Trump was right to purposefully hurt migrant families and deliberately separate families such that hundreds of orphaned children will never see their families again, than they deserve mockery and personal attacks, because that’s as horrible as advocating for child molestation, segregation, or dozen other positions that society already sees as beyond the pale. I haven’t said that just saying “I support Trump” deserves this - I’ve restricted it to those who advocate for atrocities or the overturning of democracy.
I’ll note this is very different from Sam - I gently mocked Sam for extreme gullibility. If you don’t believe me, go read that thread again and find the worst thing I said about him. I’m pretty sure it was nothing more than “that was a really stupid and gullible post”.
If you want to take the position that those who advocate for atrocities shouldn’t be mocked or rhetorically attacked, then feel free, but stop fucking lying about my positions. You’re just a lying fucking troll who makes shit up about other posters so often you probably can’t tell the difference between truth and lies yourself.
This is just confirming that you believe these people deserve to suffer mockery and personal attacks, and you were indeed being disingenuous (or trolling?) earlier when you compared it to lighthearted mockery of friends.
And if you want me to think your mockery of Sam was gentle, try not calling it ‘brutal’ yourself. I’d like to hear @Sam_Stone’s opinion on how ‘light-hearted’ it is. You might find he sees things very differently from you.
Up Next: Supporters of the world’s worst dictators ~ Has history been too harsh?
iiandyiiii already pointed out that you just misrepresented what he said (both in this thread and his thread pitting Sam), so I won’t cover that.
But you of all people aren’t able to make this argument in good faith. You have zero problem not treating trans people with basic respect. You have zero problem causing them harm by misgendering them. You have no problem advocating that cisgender women exclude them from women’s spaces. You have no problem arguing that they are a threat and should be excluded.
You advocate discriminating against people for innate characteristics. How in the world can you then tell people not to discriminate based on people ideas?
Finally, I will remind you that Trump staged a coup attempt against the United States of America. He lost an election, and then did everything is his power to override that result. He pushed his own supporters to storm the capitol, with plans to take hostages and even kill to install him as leader.
Imagine this happened in the UK. UKIP loses the election, and so they storm Parliament with guns and other weapons and/or they gang up on the Governor General, planning to hold him hostage until he declares UKIP to have a majority government, despite losing.
Are you really going to tell me that you’d think their followers would deserve equal respect to everyone else?
Yes, atrocity advocates deserve personal attacks and relentless mockery. I have no idea why anyone would consider this controversial.
Surely this depends on how UKIP deals with the problem of excluding transpeople from women’s spaces?
Wow. Octo has gone full ONAN, hasn’t he?
Well, he has always been a coward. Not surprised he looks to strongmen and strawmen to maintain his grip on his delusions. Did I literally see a Mao reference? Going to have to revise my age estimate upwards again, dammit.
And, @DemonTree, we have just gone through a year in which we watched the American Right… hell, the Global Right… lie about a disease to the tune of 500,000 excess deaths here in America. This isn’t about politeness anymore, @octopus and his ideological cohorts are literally and deliberately killing us.
Calling you out for that type of insult, which relies on its being insulting to call a man something associated with women
Apologies if my tone was off; I was in an after-market state of exhaustion.
OK, will get back to it later today. Have somebody coming over shortly to help deal with a broken down work van.
Ever since Sam Stone decided to repeatedly, and for years, post the big lie that Rachel Carson was the cause of the death of millions, and that he saw people that wanted to defend the environment where we live as deserving of contempt, and he willfully ignored the evidence that showed how wrong he still is, it is clear that he does see the ones that do look at science regarding climate change and other environmental concerns to be on the same group.
Really, him continuously following the poisoned wells of information that told him what to think about Rachel Carlson and proponents of Climate Change mitigation, means that he does think that people that defend science when it is inconvenient to some industries are defenders of mass murderers too.
What do you think is the respect that he does show when he believes that?
Exactly what many on the board did see and continues to see.
The point here is that you need, besides getting better sources of info as shown before in this thread, to be careful about whom you defend with your white knighting.