Maybe on whether they claim a whole group of people lacks social skills, rather than whether they prefer ‘good honest work’ or dislike living in cities.
Babies lack social skills. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Soooo you are agreeing with me that it is OK to judge people based on their beliefs (that an entire group of people lacks social skills) or actions (communicating that belief on a message board) rather than based on innate traits (the race or gender of the poster who made the claim you object to)?
So we are in perfect agreement on this topic, then?
I wasn’t sure what you were getting at when you asked that question. It seems we agree that it’s often much more complicated.
I was getting at the idea that “I disagree with your beliefs about how society works and will oppose your efforts to push society down the path you like and I dislike” is a very different thing than “I don’t like you because of the color of your skin and don’t think you have a place in our society because of it”, and that trying to compare political disagreements - even heated ones - to bigotry is ridiculous.
Indeed!
It doesn’t seem to be an option on this forum to disagree with someone without vehemently opposing and hating them…
Maybe you could start demonstrating the other options?
Well, that’s clearly bullshit. I disagree with a lot of liberals on this board, and can do so without lasting vehemence and hatred. Even when things get heated, like say the one cartoon/freedom of speech thread where I’ve argued with many a liberal. Some of them are ones you’re arguing with right now.
But then, they don’t hold other, truly odious bigotries near-and-dear, so getting past disagreements is a lot easier. They also don’t raise those bigotries in every possible thread they can.
I just had a very civil conversation with Sam Stone in another thread, and though I strongly disagree with him about a whole lot of things I certainly hold no hate for him. I hold no hate for anyone here, really, even if some of you ARE pretty damn annoying.
In any case, I’d love to have a civil conversation with you as well, and I keep making the mistake of thinking you are actually trying to do the same thing and so engage in discussion with you. But within a few posts we get back to the same old story every time - you spend all of your effort turning every post into some kind of “gotcha” proving “liberal hypocrisy” rather than actually holding up your end of the civil discussion. I really don’t know why I keep trying.
Yeah? Ask @Sam_Stone how welcome he feels on this messageboard, and whether he feels it’s a place that can deal with differences of opinion without vehemently opposing and hating the people who hold them.
If you were interested in a civil conversation, you’d be civil, rather than half your posts being insults and content-free snark. I actually put you on Ignore because of all the shitposting you did in this thread, it’s only because @QuickSilver replied that I bothered looking at your posts.
That is a very different thing to saying a group of people who happen to share political beliefs are all stupid, lack social skills, and don’t value relationships but value a herd they can hide in, like zebras. Or saying the same group are evil, which is far more common.
Yet supposed liberals frequently seem to think those they disagree with politically (or philosophically) should have no place in society. They are not satisfied with getting their way in directing society and setting law, but insist everyone must think like them too. It used to be a conservative thing, to express this intolerance of different views, and I opposed it then. But now it is common on the left too. It’s so disappointing to see the left preach tolerance while relatively powerless, and then turn around and demand compliance once they are in the ascendant.
As you pointed out, you have a lot of leftist beliefs. How much of a pass do you feel you have been given on this message board as a result? What do you think this demonstrates about your claim that leftists on this board are given a pass in general?
I didn’t say any of those things, you lying sack of shit. You’re worse than Octoputz, because at least the fact that he’s a disingenuous asshole is obvious enough that if you waste any time at all arguing with him that’s on your head. You claim my posts are full of insults and snark, then respond to each paragraph in my post with a non-sequitur attacking “liberals”. Your post is every bit as content-free as his unhinged rants about hive minds and communists. Well, that’s fine - you can join him on my ignore list.
What the actual fuck? I didn’t say you said those things, they were from the post I originally quoted, the one you said was totally not bigotry only because the group being stereotyped was defined by political views.
After your previous post I had some hope you were actually serious about wanting a civil conversation, but immediately you revert to type and spew insults. Way to prove my point.
More fool me for giving you another chance. Goodbye, asshole.
Gotcha, you weren’t attributing that to me. I’m genuinely sorry for the misunderstanding.
Those things are fucked up, sure. I don’t agree with them. I think they are incorrect, and hateful. I’m not defending the post you quoted at all.
That doesn’t make it BIGOTRY. Bigotry doesn’t mean “something I don’t like and disagree with”. It doesn’t even mean “Hate of a group of people”. If you hate lawyers or plumbers that’s not bigotry (unless you hate them because you think they’re all Jewish or Italian, I guess). It isn’t a GOOD THING, or JUSTIFIED - but it also isn’t bigotry.
So the post you quoted is hateful, and factually incorrect, and not a thing I am trying to justify or defend. But “bigotry” is the wrong word to describe it.
I challenge any conservatives on this board to send me a link to a conservative-leaning message board where they engage liberals in polite conversation.
I don’t believe there are any. I looked at a few, and the moderated ones actual had rules like “you must confirm your conservative credentials to join” or “no being rude and insulting to other conservatives”.
If I accept your trollish thesis that this board is a liberal bubble and people shouldn’t spend time in bubbles, show me a conservative site that’s not a bubble, one where they treat liberal opinions with respect. I’ll wait.
There’s something really sad and pathetic about all this whining. If you think we are all radical hive mind socialist woke SJW’s, or whatever the right-wing gish-gallop of thought terminating cliches is today, why are you so desperate for us to like you? Why do you care if we call you racist? Why do you care if some liberal zombie calls you a bigot? I certainly don’t care what right-wingers call me, because I know they’re stupid and wrong.
If you are really so desperate to have everyone like you, you can’t deal when someone you disagree with on everything calls you a bigot, you’re pathetic. But I suspect this is not the case with most of you, I’m pretty sure you’re just here because you want to fuck up the message board because you can’t stand it that the most intelligent discussions on-line are liberal leaning, and you want to fuck it up out of spite.
That’s a person of strawage. Who is saying conservatives here want a conservative hive? What would be nice is if the left wing loons here would argue in good faith and not work the refs here and abroad so incessantly.
Oh, go fuck yourself, trollboy.
I accused your side of maliciously killing 600,000 Americans via your ignorant, hate-filled COVID response and you literally both-sided the issue without a single bit of reflection as to how the Right’s actions and lies brought us to this point.
Damned to writhe in Hell, the lot of you.
Bzzz!
Damned.