# Let the poor woman die already!

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-the-poor-woman-die-already/295029>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [March 17, 2005, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-the-poor-woman-die-already/295029 "2005-03-17T19:11:21Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
**Page:** 44

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**Author:** ![GawnFishin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9bcb4/32.png) [@GawnFishin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GawnFishin)\
**Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-the-poor-woman-die-already/295029/861 "2005-03-27T06:13:12Z")

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> [@milroyj](#):
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> Yeah, so says her “husband”. You know, the one with the shack-up honey and two kids to boot. He’s a pig.

And your a fucking idiot, her husband was not the only person who stated that this was her wish or don’t you get that part.

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**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\
**Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-the-poor-woman-die-already/295029/862 "2005-03-27T06:13:47Z")

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> [@milroyj](#):
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> Yeah, so says her “husband”. You know, the one with the shack-up honey and two kids to boot. He’s a pig.

So are you.

You know, if you’re not going to bother to educate yourself about this subject, then butt the fuck out.

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**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\
**Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-the-poor-woman-die-already/295029/863 "2005-03-27T06:14:48Z")

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> Yeah, so says her “husband”. You know, the one with the shack-up honey and two kids to boot. He’s a pig.

According to him, and several other people, all of whom gave testimony leading a judge to declare that there was “clear and convincing evidence” that Terri would not want to go on like this.

Really, all of this has been asked and answered earlier in this thread and in others.

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**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\
**Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-the-poor-woman-die-already/295029/864 "2005-03-27T06:15:57Z")

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> [@GawnFishin'](#):
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> And your a fucking idiot, her husband was not the only person who stated that this was her wish or don’t you get that part.

She wished to die by starvation? To bleed from her eyes and tongue, with her skin falling off? I doubt it.

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**Author:** ![Avenger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Avenger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avenger)\
**Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-the-poor-woman-die-already/295029/865 "2005-03-27T06:18:47Z")

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> [@milroyj](#):
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> She wished to die by starvation? To bleed from her eyes and tongue, with her skin falling off? I doubt it.

You know her?

You answer is, yes, the wish that she expressed was not to be kept alive.

I’m sure, if she had any consciusness, she’d rather just be given a quick injection, but for some reason the current law prohibits this.

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**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\
**Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-the-poor-woman-die-already/295029/866 "2005-03-27T06:18:55Z")

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> [@Guinastasia](#):
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> So are you.
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> You know, if you’re not going to bother to educate yourself about this subject, then butt the fuck out.

Fuck off, Guin. You don’t get to decide who posts in what subjects, let alone what their opinion is.

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**Author:** ![Sweetums](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Sweetums](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sweetums)\
**Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-the-poor-woman-die-already/295029/867 "2005-03-27T06:19:14Z")

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> [@milroyj](#):
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> Talk to the hand.

```
Why do we have to talk to your hand? Is it because your head is up your ass?

```

:wally

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**Author:** ![imthjckaz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/imthjckaz/32/3223_2.png) [@imthjckaz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/imthjckaz)\
**Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-the-poor-woman-die-already/295029/868 "2005-03-27T06:19:48Z")

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> [@milroyj](#):
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> Talk to the hand.

Take it off your dick, and then maybe we can have an intelligent conversation.

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**Author:** ![Avenger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Avenger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avenger)\
**Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-the-poor-woman-die-already/295029/869 "2005-03-27T06:20:50Z")

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> [@milroyj](#):
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> Fuck off, Guin. You don’t get to decide who posts in what subjects, let alone what their opinion is.

You’re expressing opinions that have no grounding in the facts (eg Michael Schiavo was responsible for deciding to end the feeding). When you do that, expect to be called a twat.

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**Author:** ![GawnFishin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9bcb4/32.png) [@GawnFishin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GawnFishin)\
**Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-the-poor-woman-die-already/295029/870 "2005-03-27T06:22:12Z")

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> [@GawnFishin'](#):
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> **And your a fucking idiot** , her husband was not the only person who stated that this was her wish or don’t you get that part.
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> > [@milroyj](#):
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> > She wished to die by starvation? To bleed from her eyes and tongue, with her skin falling off? I doubt it.

There you’ve just proved my point.

> [@Samuel Johnson](#):
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> 'Tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than open one’s mouth and remove all doubt.

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**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\
**Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-the-poor-woman-die-already/295029/871 "2005-03-27T06:22:37Z")

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> [@Avenger](#):
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> You’re expressing opinions that have no grounding in the facts (eg Michael Schiavo was responsible for deciding to end the feeding). When you do that, expect to be called a twat.

Enlighten us then. Who decided to end the feeding?

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**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\
**Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-the-poor-woman-die-already/295029/872 "2005-03-27T06:24:39Z")

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> [@milroyj](#):
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> Enlighten us then. Who decided to end the feeding?

A guardian ad litem appointed by the courts who, after examining both sides, came to the conclusion that it was indeed Terri’s wish not to be kept on life support.

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**Author:** ![Avenger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Avenger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avenger)\
**Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-the-poor-woman-die-already/295029/873 "2005-03-27T06:25:20Z")

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> [@milroyj](#):
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> Enlighten us then. Who decided to end the feeding?

The Courts who were appointed to decide her wishes. I’m enlightening  
_you_ by the way. Everybody else has at least fucking bothered to get some background information before shooting their fucking mouths off.

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**Author:** ![GawnFishin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9bcb4/32.png) [@GawnFishin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GawnFishin)\
**Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-the-poor-woman-die-already/295029/874 "2005-03-27T06:25:27Z")

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> [@milroyj](#):
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> Enlighten us then. Who decided to end the feeding?

Terri Schiavo by proxy.

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**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\
**Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-the-poor-woman-die-already/295029/875 "2005-03-27T06:26:03Z")

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> [@Guinastasia](#):
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> A guardian ad litem appointed by the courts who, after examining both sides, came to the conclusion that it was indeed Terri’s wish not to be kept on life support.

She’s not on life support, they are denying her food and water.

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**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\
**Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-the-poor-woman-die-already/295029/876 "2005-03-27T06:29:39Z")

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> [@milroyj](#):
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> She’s not on life support, they are denying her food and water.

A feeding tube, which must be inserted surgically IS considered “life support”, numb nuts. I think any doctor would tell you that.

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**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\
**Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-the-poor-woman-die-already/295029/877 "2005-03-27T06:31:19Z")

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> [@milroyj](#):
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> She’s not on life support, they are denying her food and water.

I could swear you said on the last page that you know the facts of this case…

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**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\
**Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-the-poor-woman-die-already/295029/878 "2005-03-27T06:34:02Z")

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Just to be clear, you are happy with that? Starving human beings to death? But not feral cats, oh no.

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**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\
**Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-the-poor-woman-die-already/295029/879 "2005-03-27T06:36:49Z")

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> [@](#):
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> She’s not on life support, they are denying her food and water.

Via a plastic tube connected to a pump that delivers a foodlike substance directly into her stomach (through her abdominal wall), and a plastic tube connected to a pump that delivers fluid directly into her veins.

Your idea of “life support” is probably limited to a ventilator, which is a plastic tube connected to a pump that delivers air directly into the lungs. These are all means of “life support”.

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**Author:** ![Avenger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Avenger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avenger)\
**Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-the-poor-woman-die-already/295029/880 "2005-03-27T06:37:19Z")

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> [@milroyj](#):
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> Just to be clear, you are happy with that? Starving human beings to death? But not feral cats, oh no.

1. It was her expressed wish
2. She is not experiencing it anyway
3. I would support the doctors being able to give her a lethal injection

So, answer the question - do you actually believe her to still retain consciousness? If so, how do you justify keeping her ‘alive’ in the state that she is in?

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