# Let us speak of the evils of Christianity. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 26, 2005, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-us-speak-of-the-evils-of-christianity/296300 "2005-03-26T01:33:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-us-speak-of-the-evils-of-christianity/296300/21 "2005-03-26T03:47:29Z")
I find it amazingly stupid and bigoted to jump up and down and say ‘Let’s list all the negative traits we can pull out of our asses regarding this group’. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-us-speak-of-the-evils-of-christianity/296300/22 "2005-03-26T04:52:09Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Biggest problem with Christianity? Not the Christianity itself and not the Christ. It’s the large % of total pricks going around calling themselves “Christians”. For what it’s worth, many of the things that piss people off about religion seem to have pissed Jesus off, too. ---
**Author:** ![PETERFI](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/2bfe46/32.png) [@PETERFI](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PETERFI)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-us-speak-of-the-evils-of-christianity/296300/23 "2005-03-26T05:06:19Z")
> [@rfgdxm](#): > > Let us - whether Christian or not - list what we find evil in Christians and Christianity. > > What say you? > > -rfgdxm (and Friedrich Nietzsche): God is dead. Nietzsche is dead. We are alive. Whilst we live there is the possibility of love, hope and faith. I prefer not to look for evil or dwell on it too much lest by doing so I allow its ways to linger too much in my heart. Instead, I prefer to wish all of you the three greatest gifts of God, faith, hope and love. May your days be rich with love and full of hope and faith. If faith be not yours now, may it come to you quietly and softly, when you need it most. Peace, Peter - an old name ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-us-speak-of-the-evils-of-christianity/296300/24 "2005-03-26T05:21:58Z")
> [@The Peter Files](#): > > Instead, I prefer to wish all of you the three greatest gifts of God, faith, hope and love. > May your days be rich with love and full of hope and faith. If faith be not yours now, may it come to you quietly and softly, when you need it most. Why? Why do I need faith? What if my whole life is happy without this faith thing? If anything is wrong with Christians and any other religion it’s this sanctimonius self-assurance that they are right, and what they have is what I need. This turns me off religion more than anything. Why can’t religious people accept that I not only do not believe in God, but further, _I do not need God_. If I need spirituality, I’ll find it in the presence of nature around me. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-us-speak-of-the-evils-of-christianity/296300/25 "2005-03-26T05:55:28Z")
> [@rfgdxm](#): > > In the unlikely event this is true, I’m gonna be shocked after I am dead. 😉 In what unlikely event, that Neitzsche is dead? As opposed to… 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-us-speak-of-the-evils-of-christianity/296300/26 "2005-03-26T06:00:10Z")
> [@The Peter Files](#): > > I prefer not to look for evil or dwell on it too much lest by doing so I allow its ways to linger too much in my heart. Yeah, all that hand-wringing over pogroms and the like is such a drag. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-us-speak-of-the-evils-of-christianity/296300/27 "2005-03-26T06:30:50Z")
> [@Loopydude](#): > > Yeah, all that hand-wringing over pogroms and the like is such a drag. Seems better than looking for reasons to try to slam a stranger. Good on ya. I can feel the love now! ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-us-speak-of-the-evils-of-christianity/296300/28 "2005-03-26T06:36:44Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Seems better than looking for reasons to try to slam a stranger. Good on ya. I can feel the love now! So it’s OK to argue in this thread, but not [in this one?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5988946&postcount=23) ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-us-speak-of-the-evils-of-christianity/296300/29 "2005-03-26T06:48:50Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Seems better than looking for reasons to try to slam a stranger. Good on ya. I can feel the love now! If that is so, then obviously I failed to convey the appropriate sentiment. ---
**Author:** ![Abbie\_Carmichael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/49beb7/32.png) [@Abbie\_Carmichael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abbie_Carmichael)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-us-speak-of-the-evils-of-christianity/296300/30 "2005-03-26T07:04:23Z")
I’m actually shocked by this thread. Not shocked at **rfgdxm’s** behavior – posters like him are a dime a dozen. What surprised me are the atheists/agnostics in the thread pointing out what a tacky OP we’ve got here and actually called the guy on it. Wow. ---
**Author:** ![Nietzsche](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/8dc957/32.png) [@Nietzsche](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nietzsche)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-us-speak-of-the-evils-of-christianity/296300/31 "2005-03-26T07:18:11Z")
> [@The Peter Files](#): > > Nietzsche is dead. ☹ I’ll miss me. > [@](#): > > Whilst we live there is the possibility of love, hope and faith. There’s also the possibility of using one’s mind, looking for answers instead of guessing and “believing” they’re right, as well as a myriad of other possibilities such as you suggest. I guess it all depends on which way one wants to think. > [@](#): > > Peter - an old name That’s true. Other fun facts about Peter: It’s slang for penis. ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-us-speak-of-the-evils-of-christianity/296300/32 "2005-03-26T07:46:24Z")
> [@Abbie Carmichael](#): > > I’m actually shocked by this thread. > > Not shocked at **rfgdxm’s** behavior – posters like him are a dime a dozen. > > What surprised me are the atheists/agnostics in the thread pointing out what a tacky OP we’ve got here and actually called the guy on it. > > Wow. 'sa pleasure m’am. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-us-speak-of-the-evils-of-christianity/296300/33 "2005-03-26T07:54:52Z")
Jesus and I agree that bitching about Christianity is Cathartic and healing. I think the most evil thing about christian’s is that they aren’t throwing themselves out of the temple, because that’s what Jesus would do. Erek ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-us-speak-of-the-evils-of-christianity/296300/34 "2005-03-26T07:56:54Z")
Oh yeah, and that whole thing about calling Satanism Christianity is pretty irritating. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-us-speak-of-the-evils-of-christianity/296300/35 "2005-03-26T08:00:45Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > So it’s OK to argue in this thread, but not [in this one?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5988946&postcount=23) Who the fuck is witnessing here? And I was already just about warned in the other thread after mentioning this was open. Instead of carrying shit from thread to thread, start your own. You know where. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-us-speak-of-the-evils-of-christianity/296300/36 "2005-03-26T08:01:48Z")
> [@Loopydude](#): > > If that is so, then obviously I failed to convey the appropriate sentiment. Quite likely I read it wrong. Retracted. ---
**Author:** ![Carnick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Carnick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carnick)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-us-speak-of-the-evils-of-christianity/296300/37 "2005-03-26T10:45:31Z")
> [@rfgdxm](#): > > The frustration I see in Christians is amazing as well. They seem so unwilling to tolerate other faiths. Funny how bigotry becomes OK when you’re the one doing it. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-us-speak-of-the-evils-of-christianity/296300/38 "2005-03-26T11:04:19Z")
> [@rfgdxm](#): > > Let us - whether Christian or not - list what we find evil in Christians and Christianity. > > **What amazes me about Christianity and Christians is the immense impulse to force their faith on others.** I hardly see why you should find such an impulse amazing. (I’m atheistical, by the way). If you’re a Christian then you believe, as a tenet of your faith, that Christ is the **only** path to salvation. (At least I assume Christians still hold to that, otherwise what’s the point? They may as well be Muslims, Buddhists, whatever takes their fancy - “It’s all the same, God, man!”). Believing this, and believing as a consequence of this that all who are not Christian will NOT find salvation, but rather eternal perdition, then how could they not feel the need to save people from the fires of hell? ---
**Author:** ![rfgdxm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c0e974/32.png) [@rfgdxm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rfgdxm)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-us-speak-of-the-evils-of-christianity/296300/39 "2005-03-26T13:35:35Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > I hardly see why you should find such an impulse amazing. (I’m atheistical, by the way). > > If you’re a Christian then you believe, as a tenet of your faith, that Christ is the **only** path to salvation. (At least I assume Christians still hold to that, otherwise what’s the point? They may as well be Muslims, Buddhists, whatever takes their fancy - “It’s all the same, God, man!”). > > Believing this, and believing as a consequence of this that all who are not Christian will NOT find salvation, but rather eternal perdition, then how could they not feel the need to save people from the fires of hell? The key part there is “force”. As opposed to just spreading the word. I don’t recall the apostles advocating followers go around and say to others “convert or die”. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-us-speak-of-the-evils-of-christianity/296300/40 "2005-03-26T14:29:03Z")
> [@rfgdxm](#): > > Let us - whether Christian or not - list what we find evil in Christians and Christianity. > > What amazes me about Christianity and Christians is the immense impulse to force their faith on others. Christians for almost 2 millenia have done so. And often killed those who wouldn’t convert. > > Christians also feel the call to dominate the world, and inflict great misery while doing so. > > I am amazed by the ethos common in more conservative forms of Christianity to resist change. And even persecute those throughout history who tried to advocate change. Remember the Inquisition? > > The frustration I see in Christians is amazing as well. They seem so unwilling to tolerate other faiths. Their faith in God is unwavering. And they will do great evil based on this. > > This is all I can think of right now (as it is almost 9 in the evening). What say you? > > -rfgdxm (and Friedrich Nietzsche): God is dead. You are talking about Fundamentals, they make up only a small part of Christianity. Most of Christianity is not that way at all. On the other side, the advances in science has made possible the killing of more people than the Christians ever dreamed of in their Crusades. Science can kill over 100,000 people with just one bomb. Remember when you point the finger at someone, there are four more pointing back at you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-us-speak-of-the-evils-of-christianity/296300.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-us-speak-of-the-evils-of-christianity/296300.md?page=3)