# Let's cheer the right-wing smear machine! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 12, 2005, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-cheer-the-right-wing-smear-machine/316768 "2005-08-12T19:25:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2005, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-cheer-the-right-wing-smear-machine/316768/441 "2005-08-20T01:43:05Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > That site shows that the Army is looking for medical corpsmen. Why aren’t you signing up to do this important work? > > You know, since you seem to be so concerned about the safety and well-being of the troops, here’s an excellent way for you to demonstrate this. You’re asking the wrong guy – on all levels. I’ll leave it to you to figure out [why](http://www.allstates-flag.com/images/full-size/flags/international/spain.gif). Seriously now, what do you get if you rub two braincells together? The likes of you, **Scylla** or **Sam Stone**. Not sure what happens to the leftovers other than Shrub could surely use them. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2005, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-cheer-the-right-wing-smear-machine/316768/442 "2005-08-20T01:49:34Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > BTW, is your needle stuck on “Spain”? Sure seems that way. Careful now, don’t want to wear-out your ace in the asshole. It does seem that way, doesn’t it? I just read everything you write, and picture Antonio Banderas, or Inigo Montoya, or dare I say… Ricardo Montalban? "By ze way. Is your needle, how do you say, ahhh, yes… “Stuck” on “Spain?”… etc, etc… Your typos (Hey I have worse typos) seem somehow evocative of something Latino. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2005, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-cheer-the-right-wing-smear-machine/316768/443 "2005-08-20T01:52:56Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > You’re asking the wrong guy – on all levels. I’ll leave it to you to figure out [why](http://www.allstates-flag.com/images/full-size/flags/international/spain.gif). Hell, that’s no impediment. My ship had a good number of citizens of other countries serving right alongside our guys. A few of these guys came from Mexico. Another was a Guatamalan. We also had some guys from the Philippines and a Scot. All told, it was about a dozen guys out of a crew of about 300. So, given your concern and all, you really should follow their fine example and sign up and help out. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2005, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-cheer-the-right-wing-smear-machine/316768/444 "2005-08-20T02:11:16Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > Hell, that’s no impediment. My ship had a good number of citizens of other countries serving right alongside our guys. > > A few of these guys came from Mexico. Another was a Guatamalan. We also had some guys from the Philippines and a Scot. > > All told, it was about a dozen guys out of a crew of about 300. > > So, given your concern and all, you really should follow their fine example and sign up and help out. Bzzzzt! Wrong! I am neither trying to get to the US nor do I need a Green Card as all those poor basteds obviosly do – point of fact, _I turned down US citizenship_ simply because it implied giving up my original nationality. As it stands now I can go in and out of the US anytime I want to, and that’s just fine with me. If anything, my born and bred American son won’t be there much longer if it means becoming cannon-fodder for Imperialistic adventures. One of the few things my american ex and I agree on – none of us will offer to die for your endless greed. Determined, ~Red ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2005, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-cheer-the-right-wing-smear-machine/316768/445 "2005-08-20T02:20:37Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > It does seem that way, doesn’t it? > > I just read everything you write, and picture Antonio Banderas, or Inigo Montoya, or dare I say… Ricardo Montalban? > > "By ze way. Is your needle, how do you say, ahhh, yes… “Stuck” on “Spain?”… etc, etc… > > Your typos (Hey I have worse typos) seem somehow evocative of something Latino. No doubt the CIA should hire you. For they need people like you to determine who’s a true self-professed Latino or not. Once again, I am here to help – though it’s getting a bit tedious: [How to Apply](http://www.cia.gov/employment/apply.html) And once again, you’re welcome. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2005, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-cheer-the-right-wing-smear-machine/316768/446 "2005-08-20T03:34:35Z")
Redfury: Well, if I joined the CIA, I might actually have to expose myself to danger when they make me a secret agent. Being the chickenhawk that you claim I am you should no better than to make such a suggestion to me. Don’t let your worrying about me keep you from your native genocide or inquisitations, m’kay? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2005, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-cheer-the-right-wing-smear-machine/316768/447 "2005-08-20T04:22:28Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > Bzzzzt! Wrong! I am neither trying to get to the US nor do I need a Green Card as all those poor basteds obviosly do – point of fact, _I turned down US citizenship_ simply because it implied giving up my original nationality. As it stands now I can go in and out of the US anytime I want to, and that’s just fine with me. I’m happy you enjoy our hospitality so much. I don’t like your disparagement of the honorable service of friends of mine, though. They did more for their adopted country than most newcomers, and I’m grateful to have had them around. > [@RedFury](#): > > If anything, my born and bred American son won’t be there much longer if it means becoming cannon-fodder for Imperialistic adventures. One of the few things my american ex and I agree on – none of us will offer to die for your endless greed. I wish your son every success, obviously. But if this little episone has taught us anything, it is that, whatever we might wish, we cannot determine what course our children might take when they grow up. They have to make their own way with their own choices. And these choices might be ones we disapprove of, and they might leave our sons or daughters dead before their time. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2005, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-cheer-the-right-wing-smear-machine/316768/448 "2005-08-20T06:31:15Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > I wish your son every success, obviously. But if this little episone has taught us anything, it is that, whatever we might wish, we cannot determine what course our children might take when they grow up. They have to make their own way with their own choices. And these choices might be ones we disapprove of, and they might leave our sons or daughters dead before their time. Dunno. Think [this poor kid](http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/eibessential/illustrating_absurdity/gallery_12.parcol2.0015.ImageFile.jpg) has a shot at a normal life despite his rather obvious, huge handicap? Disclaimer: Any resemblance to our Usual Suspects is purely coincidental. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2005, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-cheer-the-right-wing-smear-machine/316768/449 "2005-08-20T06:54:08Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Redfury: > > Well, if I joined the CIA, I might actually have to expose myself to danger when they make me a secret agent. Being the chickenhawk that you claim I am you should no better than to make such a suggestion to me. > > Don’t let your worrying about me keep you from your native genocide or inquisitations, m’kay? No problem, dude. I’ve kept my genocidal impulses under wraps for close to fifty years by now. Can you say the same for yourself and [your country](http://www.worldtribunal.org/main/?b=91)? Yeah, I know, you don’t give a fuck what the rest of us think. Too bad the only way you’re willing to back your position is from behind the comfort of your heroic keyboard. Grow a pair, pussy. [Enlist.](http://www.army.com/enlist/) ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2005, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-cheer-the-right-wing-smear-machine/316768/450 "2005-08-20T07:05:46Z")
> [@AugestWest](#): > > I liked [this editorial cartoon.](http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050819/OPINION03/50818028) Pot, meet kettle. [I recommend this one, myself.](http://news.yahoo.com/comics/uclickcomics/20050817/cx_bs_uc/bs20050817;_ylt=AphcUsoaoz9gSeZWMs_IwS0xvTYC;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl) ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2005, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-cheer-the-right-wing-smear-machine/316768/451 "2005-08-20T07:14:22Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > Grow a pair, pussy. [Enlist.](http://www.army.com/enlist/) I invited you to do the same. Why haven’t you taken me up on it? ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2005, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-cheer-the-right-wing-smear-machine/316768/452 "2005-08-20T07:31:43Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > I invited you to do the same. Why haven’t you taken me up on it? If you were any thicker they’d pour you out of a cement mixer. IOW, asked and answered. ---
**Author:** ![kiffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/d78d45/32.png) [@kiffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kiffa)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2005, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-cheer-the-right-wing-smear-machine/316768/453 "2005-08-20T08:48:59Z")
Is it true about that let’s support our president sign the petition because I give a sheet??? I read that a WH spokesman accepted 32 white sheets signed by his supports from Chicago… all the while no one could accept the other side’s letter requesting accountability. Give a sheet - shit. Sheets must have been crib sized. ---
**Author:** ![bizzwire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/958977/32.png) [@bizzwire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bizzwire)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2005, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-cheer-the-right-wing-smear-machine/316768/454 "2005-08-20T18:07:18Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Cosmological: > I am happy with the words as I wrote them. They convey the exact meaning and sentiments I wished to convey, and I don’t wish to alter them so that they convey a different meaning. I am unwilling to alter them so that they convey a falsehood simply so that you can have the satisfaction of pouncing on a falsehood. So you’re saying that neither the right nor the left used forged documents for partisan smears? That’s an, um, interesting point, but I’ll go you one better: It’s equally true that no journalist from either side has stuffed a kielbasa up their ass and done the Mexican hat dance in an attempt to discredit the other side. Prove me wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2005, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-cheer-the-right-wing-smear-machine/316768/455 "2005-08-20T19:52:59Z")
> [@bizzwire](#): > > It’s equally true that no journalist from either side has stuffed a kielbasa up their ass and done the Mexican hat dance in an attempt to discredit the other side. Prove me wrong. False: Tom Brokaw did in 1998. [CNN link](http://just_kidding_dude) ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2005, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-cheer-the-right-wing-smear-machine/316768/456 "2005-08-20T19:55:23Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > I’m sure some parents who lost children in WWII thought FDR was a lying scumbag asshole who sent their child to die in a European war that was none of our buisness. > Does history indicate they were correct? And I’m pretty sure that “some” might be 3 or 4 at best. WWII was pretty universally seen as a just and righteous war in America. ---
**Author:** ![bizzwire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/958977/32.png) [@bizzwire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bizzwire)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2005, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-cheer-the-right-wing-smear-machine/316768/457 "2005-08-20T20:26:05Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > False: Tom Brokaw did in 1998. [CNN link](http://just_kidding_dude) LOL…good one…Ya got me, fair and square. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2005, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-cheer-the-right-wing-smear-machine/316768/458 "2005-08-20T23:21:50Z")
> [@bizzwire](#): > > I’d say more “Byzantine” than “Better.” Did I mention how I liked this response. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2005, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-cheer-the-right-wing-smear-machine/316768/459 "2005-08-20T23:31:01Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > And I’m pretty sure that “some” might be 3 or 4 at best. WWII was pretty universally seen as a just and righteous war in America. Perhaps in the end that was true but FDR saw a need to stop Hitler years before the US got involved. The US was still hurting from WWI and our citizens didn’t want to get involved in another European war. FDR had to promise during his campaign for reelection that he wouldn’t take us into another war even though he believed we really needed to be there. He circumvented existing laws to provide military aide to England and to step up ourt military production. Then after he won again he sent ships out looking for German subs hoping for a reason to get in, such as being attacked. It took years of planning to convince the public to get involved and I’m sure even after we did go in plenty of people still disagreed. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2005, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-cheer-the-right-wing-smear-machine/316768/460 "2005-08-21T00:11:10Z")
[America First](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First) > [@](#): > > The America First movement was an isolationalist group that opposed United States involvement in World War II. Many prominent Americans were members, including aviator Charles Lindbergh. At its peak, America First had 800,000 members. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-cheer-the-right-wing-smear-machine/316768.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-cheer-the-right-wing-smear-machine/316768.md?page=24)