# Let's Have a Frank Discussion on Race

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**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [July 27, 2010, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-have-a-frank-discussion-on-race/548161 "2010-07-27T09:18:38Z")\
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**Post date:** [August 1, 2010, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-have-a-frank-discussion-on-race/548161/238 "2010-08-01T16:42:19Z")

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> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#):
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> Everywhere in the world they live blacks have considerably higher rates of crime and illegitimacy than whites and Orientals.

Got a cite for this? I sincerely doubt this is true. Even a cursory glance at nationmaster for the [per capita murder rate](http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita) or [rapes per capita](http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita) debunks your claim.

> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#):
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> This has always been true.

There is no possible way to know that. You are just pulling this out of your ass. Such things have not been recorded throughout history, and even if the were, the current stats don’t bear out your claim.

> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#):
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> I think this is due to “irreducible moral failings” that are caused genetically. I would like to be proven wrong. Meanwhile, shouting “Racist!” at me won’t change my mind.

Please don’t take this the wrong way, but how do you define the word "racist"such that you would not be included in that group? Let’s look at the text book definition:

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> [Racist](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racist)  
> Main Entry: rac·ism  
> Pronunciation: \ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi-  
> Function: noun  
> Date: 1933
> 
> 1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race  
> 2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

You said you believe certain “irreducible moral failings”, that are caused genetically, are responsible for Black inferiority. Putting aside the fact there is no evidence for such a statement, don’t you think that pretty much fits the definition of a racist?

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