# Let's have it out ... Faith v. Good Works

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-have-it-out-faith-v-good-works/94282>\
**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [November 19, 2001, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-have-it-out-faith-v-good-works/94282 "2001-11-19T21:38:47Z")\
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**Author:** ![cleops](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/2acd7d/32.png) [@cleops](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cleops)\
**Post date:** [November 26, 2001, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-have-it-out-faith-v-good-works/94282/21 "2001-11-26T04:13:31Z")

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The discussion seems to be skipping over the difference–isn’t there one?–between grace and faith (versus good works). Can you have faith–really, faith in what, exactly?–without grace, which seems to me is necessary for any claimed “faith” to be the real thing. Any nut can say or think that they have faith. Seems to me that somehere, “faith” has got to somehow come in contact with an imprimatur of some kind from the big guy “up there.”

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