# Let's just bypass the BCS: Who plays for the MNC? **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [November 20, 2011, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-just-bypass-the-bcs-who-plays-for-the-mnc/603570 "2011-11-20T19:49:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![azraiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@azraiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/azraiel)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2011, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-just-bypass-the-bcs-who-plays-for-the-mnc/603570/81 "2011-12-05T05:41:37Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > FWIW, four of the computers ranked Bama #2 (Billingsley, Sagarin, Massey, and Wolfe) while Colley and Anderson voted OkSt #2. > > So it just wasn’t people that voted Bama #2, 4 out of the 6 computers formulas picked Bama #2. You’re chemically impaired, right? I wouldn’t want to disparage you knowing so… Alabama 3 3 3 3 3 2 2 .930 Oklahoma State 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 .950 Computer numbers from ESPN… ---
**Author:** ![azraiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@azraiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/azraiel)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2011, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-just-bypass-the-bcs-who-plays-for-the-mnc/603570/82 "2011-12-05T05:45:38Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > Stick it in yer ear, buddy. I specifically said “five in a row” to exclude any possible controversy stemming from this year’s selection. As it happens, though, the SEC took on all comers for the last five years, and beat them all. All comers when the best opponents were excluded by the insular nature of the system. Okay. I repeat: until LSU beats OSU on a neutral field it’s not the champion. Good night. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2011, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-just-bypass-the-bcs-who-plays-for-the-mnc/603570/83 "2011-12-05T05:53:23Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > A ridiculous justification. A loss to any team not #1 is worse than a loss to the #1 team. Yep, and this is exactly what I’m saying WRT this season. This is exactly the reason Bama is in and OK State is not. Any loss to a team not #1 is worse than a loss to the #1 team. What do you want me to tell you? I didn’t vote in the 2006 poll. Human polls are odd. An argument that sways voters one year may not sway them the next, and vice versa. OK, I’m sold. Let’s get rid of the BCS. I’m all for it. But for now, the system we have came up with a championship matchup. If you don’t like it, I’m terribly sorry. I would have hated the shit out of it if OK State had jumped Bama. I dreaded it all day, because I though OK State’s game last night might have been enough to do it. But it wasn’t, and if you or anyone else in the country chooses not to acknowledge a BCS champion as a result of an LSU-Bama matchup, all I can say is this: pfffffffthahahahahahahaha! ---
**Author:** ![markdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@markdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/markdash)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2011, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-just-bypass-the-bcs-who-plays-for-the-mnc/603570/84 "2011-12-05T05:53:48Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > I don’t know why SEC has 6 votes and Big XII has 5. > > Other than 6 votes from the SEC represent 50% of their teams > and 5 votes votes from the Big XII represent 50% of their teams. The problem, of course, is that teams have a direct interest in voting up their fellow conference members, as each conference team receives some ridiculous amount of money (like $10m?) when one of their members plays in a BCS bowl. Just another reason why using the coach’s poll is a dumb idea. Full stop. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2011, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-just-bypass-the-bcs-who-plays-for-the-mnc/603570/85 "2011-12-05T05:54:25Z")
> [@azraiel](#): > > All comers when the best opponents were excluded by the insular nature of the system. Okay. > > I repeat: until LSU beats OSU on a neutral field it’s not the champion. > > Good night. You have no say in the matter. Sleep well! ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2011, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-just-bypass-the-bcs-who-plays-for-the-mnc/603570/86 "2011-12-05T06:08:58Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > Yep, and this is exactly what I’m saying WRT this season. This is exactly the reason Bama is in and OK State is not. Any loss to a team not #1 is worse than a loss to the #1 team. > > What do you want me to tell you? I didn’t vote in the 2006 poll. Human polls are odd. An argument that sways voters one year may not sway them the next, and vice versa. No, what’s that’s called is making shit up as you go along. Or, as it’s more affectionately known, “making shit up so long as it benefits the SEC”. Just calling a spade a spade there. > [@](#): > > OK, I’m sold. Let’s get rid of the BCS. I’m all for it. But for now, the system we have came up with a championship matchup. If you don’t like it, I’m terribly sorry. I would have hated the shit out of it if OK State had jumped Bama. I dreaded it all day, because I though OK State’s game last night might have been enough to do it. Yeah. You dreaded the thought that the two most deserving teams might actually play for the title based on the purported “every game matters” mantra. Such a scary thought… > [@](#): > > But it wasn’t, and if you or anyone else in the country chooses not to acknowledge a BCS champion as a result of an LSU-Bama matchup, all I can say is this: pfffffffthahahahahahahaha! Congrats on stooping down to the level on a eight year old. ---
**Author:** ![Carmady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f04885/32.png) [@Carmady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carmady)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2011, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-just-bypass-the-bcs-who-plays-for-the-mnc/603570/87 "2011-12-05T06:39:17Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Yeah, I’m just fucking inscrutable that way. What could my motivation possibly be. It’s like I’m just banging on the keyboard. [5,000](http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/20/poll-who-should-lsu-play-in-title-game-if-it-finishes-no-1/) votes for Houston, more than Alabama. [This](http://bleacherreport.com/articles/966931-bcs-rankings-why-houston-deserves-to-play-for-bcs-national-title) took [three](http://mobile.orlandosentinel.com/p.p?m=b&a=rp&id=1268888&postId=1268888&postUserId=41&sessionToken=&catId=5648&curAbsIndex=0&resultsUrl=DID%3D6%26DFCL%3D1000%26DSB%3Drank%2523desc%26DBFQ%3DuserId%253A41%26DL.w%3D%26DL.d%3D10%26DQ%3DsectionId%253A5648%26DPS%3D0%26DPL%3D3)[seconds](http://bleacherreport.com/articles/964018-2011-bowl-predictions-houston-will-prove-they-deserved-shot-at-lsu-with-bcs-win). And this is without them even finishing the undefeated season I was talking about. Maybe I just made up entirely that anyone has ever said this absurd thing that nobody would ever say. Certainly it isn’t a thing that I’ve already heard people say despite the fact that I was talking about a hypothetical scenario. I made it up to try to profit from it on the internet. > > I swear to god, there is no sports conversation on this website that won’t immediately degenerate into this tedious gotcha nonsense. I interpreted your post as talking about the people you were responding to in this thread. As such, it appeared to be a dismissive way to put words in peoples’ mouths. I never even considered Houston as part of the picture, and you don’t know if anyone arguing here ever wanted Houston. Oklahoma State has a better resume than Alabama. They have better wins. They won their conference. Alabama’s schedule sucks, and they beat only 1 of the top 5 teams in their own conference (compared to 4 for Oklahoma State). Alabama already lost to LSU at home. All of these are legitimate reasons to prefer Oklahoma State over Alabama. On your point about the SEC being a special target, I still don’t see any support. Most people approved of the Big 10 rematch getting broken up in favor of the SEC. Everyone agrees the SEC deserves a representative in the title game this year. How is that anti-SEC bias? Your argument almost seems to be accusing the SEC itself of anti-SEC bias, since they supported an expanded playoff. Does the SEC hate the SEC? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-just-bypass-the-bcs-who-plays-for-the-mnc/603570.md?page=4)