# Let's keep sneering at "Bernie bros", it worked so well last time. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 5, 2020, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-keep-sneering-at-bernie-bros-it-worked-so-well-last-time/847524 "2020-02-05T03:08:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2020, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-keep-sneering-at-bernie-bros-it-worked-so-well-last-time/847524/21 "2020-02-05T05:50:55Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Was it worth it? Simple question: do you have any evidence that the issues last night were at all designed to hurt Sanders? If not, why the fuck are you whining that someone pointed out that your implication was illogical and unrealistic? If you’re going to go straight to conspiracy theories whenever something goes wrong, don’t be surprised when others call you on your ignorant shit. If you’re going to respond with a paragraphs-long rant because someone called you on your idiocy, don’t be surprised when people tune you out. When you hypocritically include vast amounts of whinging and name-calling in the aforementioned rant, just shut the hell up and let the adults talk. That’s not an attack on “Bernie Bros”, that’s on YOU. Keep sneering at literally everyone that doesn’t agree with you, and watch Sanders lose a fairly conservative state to a gay man. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2020, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-keep-sneering-at-bernie-bros-it-worked-so-well-last-time/847524/22 "2020-02-05T05:55:26Z")
We have to deal with two cults at once. Appease the Bernie cult or the Orange Anus gets re-elected. Talk about shit sandwiches. Hey Senor Pig? Go fuck yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2020, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-keep-sneering-at-bernie-bros-it-worked-so-well-last-time/847524/23 "2020-02-05T06:03:48Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Simple question: do you have any evidence that the issues last night were at all designed to hurt Sanders? And he’s still only 2% behind with 71% of the results in. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2020, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-keep-sneering-at-bernie-bros-it-worked-so-well-last-time/847524/24 "2020-02-05T06:08:49Z")
I’m so glad that some people will instead of happily supporting whatever candidate the Democratic Party nominates they’ll, seemingly, happily allow Donald Fuckin’ Trump another four years in the White House because the Democratic candidate isn’t ‘left’ enough! Might want to look at how, historically, allowing the worst guy to gain power because _then the people will cast off their chains and the revolution will come_ has worked out. > [@](#): > > This is how it is, [DEL][COLOR=“Black”]Marat[/DEL][/COLOR] Bernie. This is how they see your revolution. > > They have toothache, so their teeth should be pulled. > Their soup’s burnt. They shout for better soup. > A woman finds her husband too short, she wants a taller one. > A man finds his wife too skinny, he wants a plumper one. > One man’s shoes pinch, but his neighbor’s shoes fit comfortably. > A poet runs out of poetry and desperately gropes for new images. > For hours an angler casts his line. Why aren’t the fish biting? > > And so they join your revolution … thinking your revolution will give them everything. > A fish, a poem, a new pair of shoes, a new wife, a new husband, and the best soup in the world. > > So they storm all the citadels and there they are, and everything is just the same. > No fish biting, verses botched, shoes pinching, a worn and stinking partner in bed, and the soup burnt. > > And all that heroism which drove us down to the sewers. We can talk about it to our grandchildren…if we have any grandchildren. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2020, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-keep-sneering-at-bernie-bros-it-worked-so-well-last-time/847524/25 "2020-02-05T06:29:05Z")
I like those Doobie Bros. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2020, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-keep-sneering-at-bernie-bros-it-worked-so-well-last-time/847524/26 "2020-02-05T06:49:58Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > Anyone whose fee fees are hurt so much that they say “Oh yeah, now I’ll let Trump win, that’ll show you” is obviously unreasonable to begin with, so yeah, I’m not gonna bother trying to reason with them. > > Also, once you sprout discredited conspiracy theories and scream how things are rigged, you’re pretty much beyond reason. > > Fuck Bernie. Fuck you, fuck your mother, and fuck the horses you both rode in on, you festering ball of fuck. Enjoy your suspension from P & E, I know everyone else will. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2020, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-keep-sneering-at-bernie-bros-it-worked-so-well-last-time/847524/27 "2020-02-05T06:59:00Z")
> [@Isosleepy](#): > > So, it’s the non-Bernie-Bro Democrats who _made_ the Bros not vote? And it’s their fault, not the non-voting Bros, that Trump won? I’m asking because holy smokes walls of text that I’ll be fucked to read, but the logic does intrigue me. Here’s the TLDR version of this thread for you. Senor Beef: Like the vast majority of Sanders supporters, I voted for Hillary, I will vote for whoever the Democrats nominate this November, and I would appreciate not being insulted and personally attacked whenever I express an opinion. A Bunch of Assholes: Oh, so you didn’t vote for Hillary and you won’t vote Democratic this fall unless Bernie is the nominee, huh? Well, fuck you, you brainwashed cultist! ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2020, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-keep-sneering-at-bernie-bros-it-worked-so-well-last-time/847524/28 "2020-02-05T07:11:07Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Here’s the TLDR version of this thread for you. > > Senor Beef: Like the vast majority of Sanders supporters, I voted for Hillary, I will vote for whoever the Democrats nominate this November, and I would appreciate not being insulted and personally attacked whenever I express an opinion. > > A Bunch of Assholes: Oh, so you didn’t vote for Hillary and you won’t vote Democratic this fall unless Bernie is the nominee, huh? Well, fuck you, you brainwashed cultist! You probably should have actually ready part of the thread before trying to TL;DR. I guess you missed where he called everyone condescending pricks, assholes, and corporate dick sucking third way right wing democrats. Fuck that noise, and fuck you for blatantly defending someone being an asshole because he got called on his moronic batshit conspiracy theory. Feel free to rant like a little twat like the OP because “name calling”. Asshat. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2020, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-keep-sneering-at-bernie-bros-it-worked-so-well-last-time/847524/29 "2020-02-05T07:37:33Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > [Self-admitted Bernie supporters who vow to stay home if he doesn’t get the nomination](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=22119158&postcount=104) are the ones with the problem. Agreed, though that was only one Bernie supporter. But yes, there are many others. And this is just how Trump won. He won because so many Americans prefer to sit on their fat asses watching “reality” TV – often featuring stars like Donald J. Trump – rather than go out and vote. The word we’re looking for here is “apathy”. The last federal election we had here in Canada, I wasn’t feeling well, I knew my vote would be wasted because this is a very conservative area, I was no longer that excited about Trudeau, so I decided to stay home. And then I couldn’t. I just couldn’t do it. Voting is a civic duty and critical to democracy. So I went and voted. And it may have done something, for all I know. Sure, the expected Conservative candidate won in this riding, but the low number of popular votes for the Conservative leader and relatively poor national performance led to his resignation as party leader. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2020, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-keep-sneering-at-bernie-bros-it-worked-so-well-last-time/847524/30 "2020-02-05T08:05:10Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > You probably should have actually ready part of the thread before trying to TL;DR. > > I guess you missed where he called everyone condescending pricks, assholes, and corporate dick sucking third way right wing democrats. > > Fuck that noise, and fuck you for blatantly defending someone being an asshole because he got called on his moronic batshit conspiracy theory. Feel free to rant like a little twat like the OP because “name calling”. > > Asshat. Fuck you too, you stupid piece of shit. I hope you get cancer and die a slow, horrible death, but not before witnessing the slow, horrible deaths of everyone you love. Also, anal rape by a tribe of rabid baboons should be involved in some fashion. That having been dealt with…I agree that Beef’s name-calling wasn’t constructive and should have been omitted. To your credit, you actually seem to have been responding to whatever beef Beef was having with Ear in some other thread. But half a dozen people just jumped into the thread to insult “Bernie Bros” in ways that didn’t address the OP at all. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2020, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-keep-sneering-at-bernie-bros-it-worked-so-well-last-time/847524/31 "2020-02-05T08:12:47Z")
Over here we have a phrase for people like the OP. We’d say they are “Up their own hole”. I’m not sure if it translates, but to me it fits. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2020, 9:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-keep-sneering-at-bernie-bros-it-worked-so-well-last-time/847524/32 "2020-02-05T09:51:18Z")
I won’t sneer at anyone merely for expressing support for Bernie Sanders. Hell, my _parents_ like Bernie (although they are also concerned about his age–he’s a few years older than they are, and _they_ sure as fuck don’t have the energy to be President of the United States). There have been times when I’ve supported Bernie my own self. But anyone who even hints at a “if the nominee isn’t Bernie Sanders, I won’t vote at all!” attitude can go fuck themselves. _ **Also** _, anyone who is supporting Biden or Buttigieg or Bloomberg who even hints at a “if the nominee IS Bernie Sanders, I won’t vote at all!” attitude can go fuck themselves as well. Hell, I would have voted for Marianne fucking Williamson. My state doesn’t vote in the Democratic primaries until three weeks after “Super Tuesday” so I’m probably personally just stuck with whoever the rest of y’all decide on. (Granted, I still have no real idea who I’d pick even if I had any actual choice.) ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-keep-sneering-at-bernie-bros-it-worked-so-well-last-time/847524/33 "2020-02-06T04:44:59Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > My problem with Sanders is that, although far superior to Trump in every way, there is one characteristic they have in common, their popularity comes from division rather than uniting. The general argument I hear in his favor tend to be something like “I like his good liberal polices plus HE"S NOT A CORPORATE STOOGE LIKE EVERYONE ELSE”. He’s great as a gad fly, and superb at telling truth to power. He is his own man, and marches to the tune of a different drummer, all great qualities in certain circumstances, and truth be told I like him a lot, but he would be a lousy president. > > He has shown no ability to build a coalition with people who may not follow his world view. He is an independent rather than a Democrat for exactly that reason, he doesn’t want to have to work as part of a team. [This page](https://www.govtrack.us/about/analysis#leadership) shows a plot of leadership vs ideology. In general there is a V shape that indicates the more ideological the senator the more they can get other senators to support their bills. But in the lower left corner there is one grey dot, a highly ideological senator who gets very few people to work with him. That is Bernie Sanders. > > If he were to with the general election and become president (a big if) he would have a hard time getting his plans through congress. He wouldn’t have the ability to schmooze, horse trade or otherwise finagle others to go along with his priorities. Unlike Trump he won’t have a party that acts in lockstep receiving orders from a news source with a singular agenda. Democrats from moderate or swing districts aren’t necessarily going to fall in line, the result being 4 years of nothing. > > That said, I would crawl a mile over broken glass to vote for Sanders over Trump. Excellent post. Bernie Sanders would be the most isolated and impotent president in the history of the republic. He has no political base, or capital. None of his ambitious policy goals would be realized. Sometimes people forget just how conservative this country is, even on the left. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-keep-sneering-at-bernie-bros-it-worked-so-well-last-time/847524/34 "2020-02-06T05:16:04Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Bernie believes that he can just transform everything, and so do his voters. > > If Bernie happens to become president, he’s going to have to work with Mitch McConnell – and he’s going to have to convince Republicans that they should be scared of losing their jobs if they don’t pass massive tax increases and end private insurance as we know it. > > People who hated Hillary and disappointed with Barack Obama just don’t get it - they are not the problem. It’s their idiot neighbors who are the problem. This country is hopelessly stupid. In the meantime, we’re all better off with incremental progress than regression at warp speed. True, true - but at the same time there is so much thumbscrew Obama could have applied on Mitch & co. merely by virtue of chiefing the executive, or simply having a pen and paper with “Executive order” stationery. If anything, Trump has showed just how far a President could go just by saying “I’m doing it, what are ya gonna do about it ?”. E.g. Obama could have ordered gitmo closed and presented it as a fait accompli, he didn’t. He could have declared (as in fact many legal scholars argue would have been constitutional and not entirely without precedent) “oh, you won’t even have a vote on Garland ? So you tacitly agree then, he’s in, we’re done here” and countered any accusation of not following procedure or breaking tradition/decorum with “are you high right now, dawg ?!”. He spent 8 years asking for bipartisan compromise and extending contrite hands, only to get told to fuck off forever. Only in his last year did he let a little of the fuck you right back out - in speeches that is. Turning enemies into friends is fine and burying hatchets is good, but going to your enemy’s home again after their tried to Julius Caesar you the last five times they invited you is not exactly smrt. At some point there is some worth in activating plan “fuck you where you live” instead. The carrot needs stick support. And I think an old cantakerous socialist who doesn’t really care about but-what-will-people-say (or reelection, really), if nothing else, has some fire and “fuck you” in ‘im that even Warren doesn’t (despite her ideas also being mostly OK and her probably being better at working with other democrats). And while he may play the politics game badly, the public at least would possibly welcome actual leadership of ideas and ideals instead of yet another season of the Horse Trading show. Americans like a cantankerous old man with inspiring fire in his belly and a gun in his trousers. Ask Teddy Roos’. Come to think of it, has anybody thought to ask Sanders what his position was re:having a pet bear in the White House ? Or at least a violently unhinged honey badger he could let loose when Mitch is in the building ? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-keep-sneering-at-bernie-bros-it-worked-so-well-last-time/847524/35 "2020-02-06T05:18:09Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Excellent post. Bernie Sanders would be the most isolated and impotent president in the history of the republic. He has no political base, or capital. None of his ambitious policy goals would be realized. Sometimes people forget just how conservative this country is, even on the left. I’d think “winning a national election in spite of all the fuckery coming from both sides” would grant one a \*modicum \*of political capital at least 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-keep-sneering-at-bernie-bros-it-worked-so-well-last-time/847524/36 "2020-02-06T05:56:32Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > Nah fuck you, you _are_ condescending prick, an asshole, and a corporate dick sucking third way right wing democrat. All “moderate” (whatever the fuck that means) democrats are. > > And seriously fuck you. You’re fucking up not only your own place but everyone else’s and you have been for a long fucking time. 90% of the world couldn’t care less about your geopolitical agendas, but you fucking force it down our throats, no matter where we live. And politicians in many, if not most places, also my place, follows along, with the obvious result of minor trumpists popping up like shrooms in a graveyard. Fuck you. > > And of course, fuck american republicans. Worst bunch since the optimates. For reference, the OP STILL hasn’t provided a single basis of fact for his theory that the issues in Iowa were planned to fuck over Bernie. That he was called for that bit of bullshit spawned this entire thread, replete with namecalling and “fuck yous”. I could point out that you don’t know shit about me other than my posts criticizing the OP for doing exactly what he was complaining about, and that others are defending the blatant hypocrisy - but whiny children don’t get explanations, they get time outs. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-keep-sneering-at-bernie-bros-it-worked-so-well-last-time/847524/37 "2020-02-06T06:09:36Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > He has no political base, or capital. Then how come he’s so close to being the nominee? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-keep-sneering-at-bernie-bros-it-worked-so-well-last-time/847524/38 "2020-02-06T06:33:25Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I’m saying there is non-trivial number of voters that will withhold their vote from a female candidate, a black candidate, a gay candidate, a jewish candidate, etc… And I’m not so polyanna-ish as to pretend that no bigot of that sort exists in the Dem tent. I have no numbers to back up my claim but I suspect there are more of those types of unwoke Dems than the ones who claim to have voted for Obama before they voted for Trump. The left is not immune from tribalism and bigotry and I think you know that. To say, ‘Yeah, but no rational person… so who cares about those yahoos!’, warms the cockles of my heart, but does not keep my brain from wondering if they’ll stay home. Which is not to suggest IN ANY WAY they need to be obliged or catered to by not putting forward a female-gay-jew nominee. Just that they ought not be treated with kid gloves in order to keep them from voting for Trump out of spite. > > Does that help? Tell me that helps. Oh, sorry, had missed your answer. Apologies. And yes, it helps, but that kind of thing is both more or less impossible to quantify and not morally worthy of being addressed to begin with. I mean, if the morons really let Trump win because Jew/gay/woman then they deserve whatever hellscape they get. I mean it sucks for we entire rest of the planet having to share it, but… Ultimately that’s kind of my answer to the “on the next election, if it’s Macron or the Nazis, it sucks but we will have to re-elect Macron !” as well - like, if that’s the choice you spiteful morons will have boiled it down to, then fuck all o’ y’all and enjoy the radioactive lions eating your faces. I can’t help any of you, and at this point I won’t even \*want \*to. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-keep-sneering-at-bernie-bros-it-worked-so-well-last-time/847524/39 "2020-02-06T06:38:56Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > I’d think “winning a national election in spite of all the fuckery coming from both sides” would grant one a \*modicum \*of political capital at least 😛 Sanders never joined the Democratic party, so essentially he is an independent. When I say he is no political base, I mean in Congress. Who has he helped elect? Who are his allies? Who owes him? His platform is not the platform of the Democratic party. Maybe a handful of folks in the House and a few Senators will play along, but that’s it. If you think Bernie will passing his agenda, you’re a crackhead who should never comment again on American politics. See: Barack Obama and healthcare. And this after getting more votes than any other candidate in history, before or since. Popular sentiment gets you in the door; Washington realities can slam it in your popular face. And Obama had a massive political machine behind him. Bernie has AOC and Danny DeVito. Winning an election is great. Governing is an entirely different animal, and Bernie Sanders is a toothless kitty cat. A grass roots movement succeeds from the bottom up. This is just another cult of personality that’s going nowhere, even if it happens to find itself in the White House. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-keep-sneering-at-bernie-bros-it-worked-so-well-last-time/847524/40 "2020-02-06T07:07:59Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > When I say he is no political base, I mean in Congress. […} Bernie has AOC Yeah, OK. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-keep-sneering-at-bernie-bros-it-worked-so-well-last-time/847524.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-keep-sneering-at-bernie-bros-it-worked-so-well-last-time/847524.md?page=3)