What “men are used to being in the dominate position” ? Certainly none that I know.
And none of the things I mentioned are even close to “parity”, much less dominance.
The next one will be furries.
And I will fight against it tooth and nail.
I’d say kids/age related restrictions. Why does one need to be 16 to drive? A 14 year old capable of passing the test should be capable of driving. Or things such as curfues. You or I would find a curfew absolutely intolerable, but when its applied to people under 18, just because they are under 18, its acceptable.
Kids have laughably few civil rights. Sadly, it will never change because kids can’t vote, and by the time they can, the restrictions no longer apply to them so they just don’t care enough.
Oh, and I too look forward to the transhumanism movement with great interest. It should be a fun time. It will be an odd civil rights movement though, because I think it will be primarily about the majority being jealous and scared of the minority, rather than the reverse.
I agree with you about curfews. But 16 - 18 are proven to kill the most people in car wrecks, so I find it highly likely that 14 - 15 would be worse. With traffic accidents real close up near the top of the causes of death list, I think we should be making licenses a lot harder to get, not easier. They hand the damn things out like party favors now. I think they’re more of a method to track you than a guarantee that you have any idea what you’re doing behind the wheel.
Well, now I’m curious. Why? And Why?
And I am of the opinion that A.I. will advance far faster than genetics research, so I’m thinking it will be robots.
I’m not saying kids should drive, I’m saying kids who are capable of driving safely should be able to drive. Make the driving test effing difficult, and if a 14 year old can pass it, then more power to him. If an 18 year old can’t, then he can’t drive. Nothing to do with age, everything to do with ability.
I disagree. We know that the brain hasn’t fully developed until the age of 25, and the areas undeveloped are directly related to driving problems–aggressiveness and risk taking. I would be willing to have the driving age moved up to 18 or 20–and yes, I’m aware of the irony.
No one said poor people yet?
The LGBT community.
Also, Muslims/Arabs if relations with the Middle East crash.
This is just stupid. Kids—and I say this as a 16-year-old—don’t need any more civil rights than they have already. There *are *qualitative differences between people, and some of these are based on age. This is why society creates a role for parents and other authority figures to enforce greater restrictions on kids while they develop. IMNSHO, I am more responsible and mature than most of my peers, but I’d rather have my rights restricted for a few years (because who knows, there could be areas in which I turn out to be less mature than I thought) than give those people complete freedom to screw themselves up. I just don’t understand people who call for “children’s rights”. Black people, women, and (in a growing number of places) gay people, were given full rights because they were shown to be fully equal to other people. Children are not fully equal to adults and never will be (until they are adults).
Valete,
Vox Imperatoris
ETA: Curfews are accepted for young people because they have absolutely no business being out on the streets at night. Adults, with their more developed reasoning capabilities, have made their free choice to take the risk of being out alone on the streets at night, and so society has no business questioning their choices.
Then that is the first right that needs to be changed. Kids have a unique perspective on politics, as they will be here long after the current powers in charge have gone. they’ll care about the future budget deficits, environment impact, technology rights, water and air quality, depth and quality of educational provision etc… from a different place than most adults do. Their future is affected and they have no voice or power to dissent. Citizens under 18 are the largest politically disenfranchised population remaining; they deserve a vote in their future.
Any argument against their potential naivety, lack of intellectual capabilities or ability to be coerced (by parents) into voting a particular way are the same tired arguments used to discredit both ‘Negros’ and ‘Women’ when they first sought the vote. No adult needs to pass an exam, to prove their worth before being capable of voting – so why the need for an age distinction?
Wow. Your parents must be mighty proud, if that’s the level of your ability to undertake rational discourse.
And YOU are indicitive of those who are allowed to have a vote? Proved my point nicely, thanks.
Oh, you were serious? In that case I didn’t laugh nearly hard enough.
So, you’re an ageist bigot then. Nice.
The OP asked for opinions on the next big civil rights movement. Seems I was wrong; this won’t be the next big movement, as I now see it is still completely acceptable to be so openly bigoted towards our younger citizens.
Agreed, up to this point. Any liberation of children is going to be a qualitatively different liberation. A 6 month old infant doesn’t need, can’t use, and will never demand the right to vote.
But there are 10 year olds who can drive as well as the average licensed adult driver, even if the average 10 year old is not one of them. Nothing is lost by eradicating arbitrary age barriers and replacing them with tests of skill, competency, judgment, knowledge, and etc.
Again, it’s the binary "You’re seventeen, you can’t " / “You’re eighteen, you can” silliness that we contest. “Until they are adults”.
I oppose arbitrary age restrictions like that. There’s no justification for keeping 16 year olds indoors after some specified hour. If there’s some behavior in which a 16 year old might engage, and you wish them not to, make the behavior illegal and arrest people (of any age) who engage in it.
But I’m not saying it’s a simple matter of derecognizing the legal diff between children and adults and when whoopee we’ve got children’s lib accomlished. It would have to be a nuanced, gentle, slow change, mostly in attitudes, relaxing rigid categorical diffs in favor of assessing the individuals involved according to their maturity, and defaulting to permissiveness when there is no reason to restrict.
Is the reason that people between the ages of 16-18 wreck more because they are:
a. inexperienced
B. immature
C. Cannot Drive
It seems to me that the mechanics of driving could be taught to a ten year old no problem. The issues is decision making, and maturity. Would a ten year old be more likely to panic if something out side of his control hindered his driving? I think that the two main causes for young driving accidents are maturity and Inexperience. No matter at what age we place on driving the second will always be a problem Can we really test the first?
Another problem with things you mentioned - aggressiveness and risk taking - is that they are very strongly correlated to sex. Reasonable thing to do would be to move driving age to respectively 15 years for girls and 25 years for men. Further irony ensues.
I think in many ways the average 10 year old has more maturity, emotional stability, and self-assurance than the average 17 year old. We come pretty close to getting it together (aside from not having much experience) before puberty and then it all goes to rot and we don’t really get back to that point until some time in our 20s. Or for some people, never.
No, he’s not. Your positions are simply idiotic. (And quite funny, actually. Children do deserve a vote in their futures. I deserve mine in about 2 years.) The average person under the age of 18 is completely unskilled in political discourse compared to the average adult. The burden is on them to prove that they aren’t.
AHunter3, so we should give 10-year-olds the right to drive and then take it away at 13 until they are 20? I don’t think that argument is going to go anywhere. And I assume **puppygod **was being tongue-in-cheek, but it just doesn’t work like that. Society has to draw a line at where the average person has the ability to control himself and be responsible. You can’t test for maturity; even A+ students have been known to become drug addicts or ruin their lives by other means.
Valete,
Vox Imperatoris