# Let's look to the Nazis regarding immigration **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 15, 2006, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814 "2006-05-15T08:54:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2006, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/41 "2006-05-15T22:43:54Z")
Could you hold off on that legislation till the autumn, **Happy Clam**? I’m scheduled to visit the UK in July and would like not to have to dodge bullets the whole time. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2006, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/42 "2006-05-15T23:12:01Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > Actually, asshat, I do, more or less, and I resent your implied racism when you have no evidence that anything I’ve said is race based at all. You demonstrate a complete lack of regard for the lives of poor brown people; that’s racism. You are subhuman bigoted scum. > [@Weirddave](#): > > Gee, maybe if I had that idea, it might have come from your passionate defense of every Mexican’s right to assault U.S. Border Patrol officers using deadly force. _What_ are you whining about ? > [@Weirddave](#): > > If you want to modify and simplify immigration law, that’s a separate issue, one that I actually support, but just because a law is complicated or inconvenient does not give one the right to ignore it. If you are trying to feed your family, yes it does; morally, if not legally. > [@Weirddave](#): > > Snipers. Much, much more cost effective. Clear the border of all vegitation for 1/2 mile on our side of the border and put sniper towers with night vision every 500 yards. Q.E.D. Thereby proving to the world again that America is a nation dedicated to barbarism. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2006, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/43 "2006-05-15T23:43:33Z")
> [@CBEscapee](#): > > For years now there’s been a problem with underage Americans coming across the border and getting drunk and behaving obnoxiously. They have absolutely no respect for our laws and this can set a very dangerous precedent. If a country doesn’t make foreigners obey its laws then it will soon lose control of its own populace. So I say shoot the little scoflaws. No more underage drinkers puking in our gutters. Put 'em all up against a wall. Boom. Leave their bodies there as a warning to the next pimply faced little gringo that thinks our laws are a joke. > I’m sorry, but if you illegally drink in another soverign country, then you have no right to bitch if they use force to keep you in line. Do it together with a bunch of your friends and it’s what’s called “spring break”. I’m sorry if getting shot seems harsh to you, but it’s very easy to avoid: Don’t drink while underage in another country. Quite simple. The blame lies upon the person breaking the law, not on the people defending their country against invasions of scoflaws. > > Thanks a bunch weirddave for the solution. No more puny fines and a slap on the wrist. It’s time we get serious. Blah, blah, blah. The situations are nothing even close to analogous, thanks for playing. > [@Kimstu](#): > > 😕 **Weirddave** , whadderyou, nuts? An “invasion” is when **the government-controlled military forces** of one sovereign nation enter and attempt to take control of another. > > A group of illegal migrants looking for work across the border is not an “invasion” in any meaningful sense of the term, although it may figure as such in hysterical Minuteman-type rhetoric. Which ignored the documented instances of the Mexican military assisting illegals to cross our borders successfully. Merriam-Webster’s second definition of “Invasion” is spot on: 2 : the incoming or spread of something usually hurtful [link](http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=invasion) > [@El\_Kabong](#): > > BTW, I presume that following this line of thinking, the Dave of Weird would agree that WEST Germany, as well as East Germany, should have shot persons attempting to cross the Berlin Wall. It would certainly have been their perogative to do so. > [@Der Trihs](#): > > You demonstrate a complete lack of regard for the lives of poor brown people; that’s racism. You are subhuman bigoted scum. > > _What_ are you whining about ? > > If you are trying to feed your family, yes it does; morally, if not legally. > > Thereby proving to the world again that America is a nation dedicated to barbarism. Der Trihs…you know what? You’re not even worth it. Everyone who disagrees with you is a racist or a bigot, anything the US does is “barbaric”. We got it, fine. Just go ahgead and smoke your hash, put on your black clothes and go protest the next G8 summit, OK? Kindly leave the adults to discuss things rationally. Anarchy forever! ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2006, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/44 "2006-05-15T23:49:11Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > Kindly leave the adults to discuss things rationally. Shooting people for crossing a border at a place other than a port of entry isn’t rational. ---
**Author:** ![CBEscapee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@CBEscapee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBEscapee)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2006, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/45 "2006-05-15T23:56:09Z")
It isn’t very difficult to imagine weird dave as a Dachau guard or perhaps an SS Private unleahing an attack dog on a Jewish grandmother in Germany of 1940. Scumbags like him made it all too easy for Hitler to get away with his “solution”. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2006, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/46 "2006-05-16T00:25:31Z")
> [@CBEscapee](#): > > It isn’t very difficult to imagine weird dave as a Dachau guard or perhaps an SS Private unleahing an attack dog on a Jewish grandmother in Germany of 1940. Scumbags like him made it all too easy for Hitler to get away with his “solution”. Hehe. First Der Trihs invents racist motives for me out of whole cloth and now I’m a Nazi. Do you morons have any actual arguments you’d like to make, or are you just getting your rocks off by casting insults? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2006, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/47 "2006-05-16T00:27:25Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > Der Trihs…you know what? You’re not even worth it. Everyone who disagrees with you is a racist or a bigot, anything the US does is “barbaric”. We got it, fine. Just go ahgead and smoke your hash, put on your black clothes and go protest the next G8 summit, OK? Kindly leave the adults to discuss things rationally. Anarchy forever! I take great satisfaction in knowing you don’t respect me. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2006, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/48 "2006-05-16T00:33:24Z")
> [@Der Trihs](#): > > I take great satisfaction in knowing you don’t respect me. I had a dog that took great satisfaction from eating it’s own vomit and shit. That doesn’t mean that those are admirable traits. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2006, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/49 "2006-05-16T00:34:41Z")
[http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/27/AR2006032700684.html](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/27/AR2006032700684.html) > [@W Post](#): > > A key Senate panel broke with the House’s get-tough approach to illegal immigration yesterday and sent to the floor a broad revision of the nation’s immigration laws that would provide lawful employment to millions of undocumented workers while offering work visas to hundreds of thousands of new immigrants every year. > > With bipartisan support, the Senate Judiciary Committee voted 12 to 6 to side with President Bush’s general approach to an immigration issue that is dividing the country, fracturing the Republican Party and ripening into one of the biggest political debates of this election year. Conservatives have loudly demanded that the government tighten control of U.S. borders and begin deporting illegal immigrants. … “Congress needs to pass a comprehensive bill that secures the border, improves interior enforcement, and creates a temporary-worker program to strengthen our security and our economy,” Bush said yesterday at a ceremony to swear in 30 new U.S. citizens from 20 countries. “Completing a comprehensive bill is not going to be easy. It will require all of us in Washington to make tough choices and make compromises.” “Massive deportation of the people here is unrealistic. It’s just not going to work,” - George W Bush “You can hear people out there hollering it’s going to work. It’s not going to work.” - George W Bush [http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/immigration/](http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/immigration/) > [@Whitehouse](#): > > A Temporary Worker Program Would Make The System More Rational, Orderly, And Secure By Providing A Legal Way To Match Willing Foreign Workers With Willing American Employers To Fill Jobs That Americans Are Not Willing To Do. Workers would be able to register for legal status on a temporary basis. If workers decided to apply for citizenship, they would have to get in line. This program would help meet the demands of our growing economy and allow honest workers to provide for their families while respecting the law. Bush gets it, I think. The current laws stink, as I already said (with cites to lawyerly types who also say the law sucks). Bush has said the immigration laws needed examination and an overhauling. He supported reform, and was agreeeable to a compromise. However, the compromise bill was killed. Republicans are blaming Democrats for killing it - I think they said Dems were playing procedural games for political benefit. Democrats are blaming Republicans - I believe Dems objected to amendments to the bill calling for criminalization. Me, I blame the so-called conservatives, with their fucked up mindset. Conservative my ass. So true to form, any chance of getting something constructive done was scuttled. Meanwhile, we have weirddave calling for deadly force against civilians. Neat logic. They broke the law (sneaking in), so let’s break an even bigger and more basic law (kill them). That is fucked up. ---
**Author:** ![CBEscapee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@CBEscapee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBEscapee)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2006, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/50 "2006-05-16T00:45:45Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > I had a dog that took great satisfaction from eating it’s own vomit and shit. That doesn’t mean that those are admirable traits. I’ll bet you just loved it when he licked your face. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2006, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/51 "2006-05-16T00:47:58Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > They broke the law (sneaking in), so let’s break an even bigger and more basic law (kill them). > > That is fucked up. Why? Seriously, why? I’m not saying that we should suddenly and without warning start gunning down people willy nilly, but if we make know that our borders, except for designated entry and exit points, will be closed as of X date, publicize that fact widely on both sides of our borders, announce that we would be patrolling said borders with our armed forces and that anyone attempting to cross the closed border would be subject to deadly force if they did not immediatly surrender when challenged, how is that fucked up? I just don’t get it. Do we as a nation have the right to defend our borders, or don’t we? ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2006, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/52 "2006-05-16T00:55:52Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > Why? Seriously, why? We’re not a nation of homicidal maniacs. It violates some kind of law/treaty. It would villify us, justifiably, in the eyes of most of the rest of the world. Finding enough people to kill children, women, and men crossing the border might be a tad difficult. The many decent people in the USBP wouldn’t remain Agents if they’re job description suddenly included killing unarmed children, women, and men. Etc. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2006, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/53 "2006-05-16T01:00:22Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > Why? Seriously, why? I’m not saying that we should suddenly and without warning start gunning down people willy nilly, but if we make know that our borders, except for designated entry and exit points, will be closed as of X date, publicize that fact widely on both sides of our borders, announce that we would be patrolling said borders with our armed forces and that anyone attempting to cross the closed border would be subject to deadly force if they did not immediatly surrender when challenged, how is that fucked up? I just don’t get it. Do we as a nation have the right to defend our borders, or don’t we? What the fuck are we defending against? Gardeners? Migrant crop workers? Maids? Oooooh scary! You can forget the backtracking, you are already on record as supporting gun towers and snipers. 500 yards was mentioned as a workable range for shooting then down. These evil invaders won’t hear any order to stop from 500 yards away. You don’t have a damn thing worth hearing at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2006, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/54 "2006-05-16T01:03:05Z")
> [@Unregistered Bull](#): > > We’re not a nation of homicidal maniacs. It violates some kind of law/treaty. It would villify us, justifiably, in the eyes of most of the rest of the world. Finding enough people to kill children, women, and men crossing the border might be a tad difficult. The many decent people in the USBP wouldn’t remain Agents if they’re job description suddenly included killing unarmed children, women, and men. Etc. You’re not answering the question I posed above. You’re screaming ‘OMG, won’t someone please think of the children?’ instead. You’ve got a half dozen what ifs in search of a reason for being. Fact is, if we lose control of our borders, we lose control of ourselves as a soverign nation. We’ve been headed down that road for a long time, and it has to end. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2006, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/55 "2006-05-16T01:06:14Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > What the fuck are we defending against? Gardeners? Migrant crop workers? Maids? Oooooh scary! > > You can forget the backtracking, you are already on record as supporting gun towers and snipers. 500 yards was mentioned as a workable range for shooting then down. These evil invaders won’t hear any order to stop from 500 yards away. > > You don’t have a damn thing worth hearing at this point. You fucking moron. My snipers response was in reply to your napalm and machine gun suggestion. I suppose if I’d suggested an atomic bomb you’d be claiming that I was printing “Nuke the wetbacks” bumperstickers. Don’t be an ass, and don’t break out hyperboyle and sarcasm if you can’t recognize it when you see it coming back at you. ---
**Author:** ![DxZero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@DxZero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DxZero)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2006, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/56 "2006-05-16T01:08:55Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > I got no problem with the armed forces of the U.S. doing their job and defending our borders with force, that’s what you do against invaders after all. If I tried to sneak into Mexico, I would fully expect them to shoot me down, and they would have every right to do so. Was that hyperbole? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2006, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/57 "2006-05-16T01:30:02Z")
I believe the hyperbole you guys are are looking for is here. > [@Weirddave](#): > > Fact is, if we lose control of our borders, we lose control of ourselves as a soverign nation. We’ve been headed down that road for a long time, and it has to end. Call me when one or more Mexican (or Canadian, for that matter) divisions attempts to take and hold US territory by force of arms. Until then, I, and I think most rational people, would not consider the US to have lost control of its borders, or its sovereignity. Oh yeah, and re: your comment about West Germany not shooting people attempting to cross the Berlin Wall: > [@](#): > > It would certainly have been their perogative to do so. And yet they didn’t. Why was that, do you think? ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2006, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/58 "2006-05-16T01:33:06Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > And yet they didn’t. Why was that, do you think? Decency, sanity, rationality? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2006, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/59 "2006-05-16T02:07:51Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > Hehe. First Der Trihs invents racist motives for me out of whole cloth and now I’m a Nazi. Do you morons have any actual arguments you’d like to make, or are you just getting your rocks off by casting insults? :rolleyes: Like if your “argument” had any right to be defended after the “expect them to shoot me down” part. You have the quality of making even the ones that tried to defend you on your last suspension feel sorry to be fair with you. The issue here is context **Weirddave** , when the OP is calling attention to a guy that is claiming for the eradication of a kind of people and using the Nazis as an example (and I also did notice on NPR one of the Minutemen leaders use “final solution” regarding this same issue referring to the border wall) it is hard to say you are clean after diving in to defend solutions that require killing others. **Unless they use violence** shooting at them is never the right solution, the “ugly” fact is that illegals are human beings, their crime does not deserve what you propose, having said all that, I’m on record complaining that the enforcement and security of our borders is a joke, but the bigger joke is in the government’s actions, where you have mostly the Republicans telling us that an underfunded, undermanned show of force will be good enough to solve this, while at the same time telling us to be happy for even more tax cuts for the really well to do that every day show less willingness to do the right thing and help in this time of need. Then again, another solution the Minutemen and right wing blogsters are offering right now is to demand the impeachment of GW Bush. Hey, who says we can not find common ground? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2006, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/60 "2006-05-16T02:37:37Z")
> [@Sean Factotum](#): > > > [@Ludovic](#): > > > > But conversely, just because the Nazi’s did it doesn’t mean it’s automatically bad. > > I must be missing something in your post. Seems to me that everything the Nazi Party did was to accomplish the goal of world domination and “purification” of the human race. To me, that means everything they did, be it killing 6+ million or building highways that made it easier to move vehicles (military and civilian) _is_ automatically bad. I don’t think **Ludovic** put it very well (certainly not the way I would have), but I have a feeling that he(?) was referring to incidents like the [S S St Louis](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/stlouis.html). The Nazis were, in fact, unspeakably vile; but if the rest of the world hadn’t played along, they wouldn’t have had nearly as many victims. > [@Weirddave](#): > > Fact is, if we lose control of our borders, we lose control of ourselves as a soverign nation. We’ve been headed down that road for a long time, and it has to end. And while we’re at it, let’s not forget to conserve those precious bodily fluids. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814.md?page=4)