# Let's look to the Nazis regarding immigration **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 15, 2006, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814 "2006-05-15T08:54:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2006, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/81 "2006-05-16T21:38:28Z")
Gosh, in good old **Dave** style I should just cut and paste the [dictionary.com](http://dictionary.com) definitions of “sniper” and “tower” here, but I won’t. Keep fighting, **Davey** -boy! -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2006, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/82 "2006-05-16T23:13:57Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Gosh, in good old **Dave** style I should just cut and paste the [dictionary.com](http://dictionary.com) definitions of “sniper” and “tower” here, but I won’t. > > Keep fighting, **Davey** -boy! > > -Joe Maybe you should try looking up the dictionary definition for “sarcasm” because it seems obvious that the word means nothing to you. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2006, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/83 "2006-05-17T00:25:40Z")
> [@DxZero](#): > > Was that hyperbole? He was for shooting before he was against it. Yeah, that’s the ticket. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2006, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/84 "2006-05-17T02:08:40Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > Maybe you should try looking up the dictionary definition for “sarcasm” because it seems obvious that the word means nothing to you. I looked at the dictionary and there is an entry for “ **Weirddave** calling sarcasm” = v. “backpedal” 🙂 Really, as hard as you try to tap dance it away, your first post referred to shooting people to defend the border, no other choices like arrest and deportation there until you explained it was supposed to be sarcasm. Regarding the Minutemen, I do think the ACLU and other anti-minutemen groups by literally putting a spotlight on them, prevented so far the racist and trigger happy members from acting up, even so, there are examples of abuses and the origins of these groups are not something to commemorate: [http://www.adl.org/learn/extremism\_in\_the\_news/White\_Supremacy/arizona\_border\_update52105.htm](http://www.adl.org/learn/extremism_in_the_news/White_Supremacy/arizona_border_update52105.htm) As soon as I found that authorities are informing the Mexican authorities on the location of the Minutemen and reports of Minutemen trigging too many false alarms, It is more likely to me that the calling of the army reserves has more to do in preventing a nasty encounter, an encounter that history has shown it happens when asshats like in the OP cite stir the passions. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2006, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/85 "2006-05-17T02:16:11Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > Why? Seriously, why? I’m not saying that we should suddenly and without warning start gunning down people willy nilly, but if we make know that our borders, except for designated entry and exit points, will be closed as of X date, publicize that fact widely on both sides of our borders, announce that we would be patrolling said borders with our armed forces and that anyone attempting to cross the closed border would be subject to deadly force if they did not immediatly surrender when challenged, how is that fucked up? I just don’t get it. Do we as a nation have the right to defend our borders, or don’t we? Because we’re not East Germany? I appreciate that you think securing the borders is vitally important, although I think the issue has been blown vastly out of proportion lately. But it’s not important enough to justify taking a human life. Stop them from coming over. Fine them. Arrest them. Sure, whatever. Kill them? That’s inhuman. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2006, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/86 "2006-05-17T05:23:24Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > Maybe you should try looking up the dictionary definition for “sarcasm” because it seems obvious that the word means nothing to you. For your future information, the next time you wish to backpedal slightly from a disgusting, inhumane, and uncivilized stance: the word you were groping for was “hyperbole”. Not that anyone would buy that either. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2006, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/87 "2006-05-17T08:00:08Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > I looked at the dictionary and there is an entry for “Weirddave calling sarcasm” = v. “backpedal” > > Really, as hard as you try to tap dance it away, your first post referred to shooting people to defend the border, no other choices like arrest and deportation there until you explained it was supposed to be sarcasm. > [@Frank](#): > > For your future information, the next time you wish to backpedal slightly from a disgusting, inhumane, and uncivilized stance: the word you were groping for was “hyperbole”. Not that anyone would buy that either. Well Frank, and the rest of you who want to classify me as “backpedaling”, the next time you come across a statement from someone directly in response to an over the top statement from someone else, you might want to wash it through the following filter. Is it unrealistic? Is it outrageous? Is it crazy? Is it far, far beyond the bounds of common human decency so as to be ridiculous? If so, you might just want to consider that it is sarcasm(or hyperbole). The US has 6000 miles of land borders and 2000 miles of shoreline. How could we seriously build a sniper tower every 500 yards? How could we build sniper towers across the Great Lakes, or through the Rocky Mountains(with any sight lines for them to be effective, of course). How could these sniper towers cover the areas deep within the canyons of the Rio Grande? What good would a sniper tower do at the entrance to the Chesapeake Bay against all the shipping that passes? I suggest that all of you, in your rush to judge and condem, have completely missed the obvious. I’m not “backpedaling”, I’m explaining endlesly sarcasm that should have been obvious to bein with, and at the same time you’ve done a very nce job of ignoring, again, the very real issues I have brought up. These issues were clarified in my post # 68. Would anyone care to comment on them? I’ll quote myself again: > [@me](#): > > I’ve made points about rewriting immigration law to make immigration simpler and easier, revisiting the language of the 14th Amendment and the attendant Supreme Court case to toughen the current laws and close the “born on U.S. soil” loopholes that currently exist, of the necessity of cracking down hard on those U.S. businesses that employee illegals, including heavy fines and jail time and repeated statements supporting legal immigration, something that I am very, very strongly in support of. All these points have been completely ignored by a group of people trying to distort my original point beyond recognition so they can ridicule it rather than discuss it. To make it easy for you to understand, here is exactly what I believe that is so “controversial”: The U.S. needs to secure it’s borders. It is appropriate to use the military for this purpose (After appropriate training of course). When people are intercepted coming across the border illegally, they should be detained and returned to their country of origin. If these people resist or attempt to avoid being detained, it is appropriate to use force to detain them. Such force can include deadly force if lesser methods fail. Any deaths that result would be a tragedy, of course, but if illegals persist in resisting or evading after being intercepted, warned and continue to resist or evade all non lethal attempts to detain them, then it’s on their head. Does anyone care to comment on that, rather than blindly attacking a position I do not hold? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2006, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/88 "2006-05-17T08:24:49Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > Well Frank, and the rest of you who want to classify me as “backpedaling”, the next time you come across a statement from someone directly in response to an over the top statement from someone else, you might want to wash it through the following filter. Is it unrealistic? Is it outrageous? Is it crazy? Is it far, far beyond the bounds of common human decency so as to be ridiculous? If so, you might just want to consider that it is sarcasm(or hyperbole). The US has 6000 miles of land borders and 2000 miles of shoreline. How could we seriously build a sniper tower every 500 yards? How could we build sniper towers across the Great Lakes, or through the Rocky Mountains(with any sight lines for them to be effective, of course). How could these sniper towers cover the areas deep within the canyons of the Rio Grande? What good would a sniper tower do at the entrance to the Chesapeake Bay against all the shipping that passes? I suggest that all of you, in your rush to judge and condem, have completely missed the obvious. I’m not “backpedaling”, I’m explaining endlesly sarcasm that should have been obvious to bein with, and at the same time you’ve done a very nce job of ignoring, again, the very real issues I have brought up. These issues were clarified in my post # 68. Would anyone care to comment on them? I’ll quote myself again: > > Does anyone care to comment on that, rather than blindly attacking a position I do not hold? My cat’s breath smells like cat food. It is you who is ignoring that I said virtually the same thing as your post # 68, what it is also notorious is that you willfully ignore the “post with no substance” OP that is the reason why this is going on. As I can see the need to protect the borders, I also see the need to call out asshats that unfortunately have an audience that considers that piece of crap article to be serious reporting or opinion. Care to comment? Will you also ignore what the ADL had to say about the Minutemen? ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2006, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/89 "2006-05-17T11:22:26Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > Well Frank, and the rest of you who want to classify me as “backpedaling”, the next time you come across a statement from someone directly in response to an over the top statement from someone else, you might want to wash it through the following filter. Is it unrealistic? Is it outrageous? Is it crazy? Is it far, far beyond the bounds of common human decency so as to be ridiculous? If so, you might just want to consider that it is sarcasm(or hyperbole). The US has 6000 miles of land borders and 2000 miles of shoreline. How could we seriously build a sniper tower every 500 yards? How could we build sniper towers across the Great Lakes, or through the Rocky Mountains(with any sight lines for them to be effective, of course). How could these sniper towers cover the areas deep within the canyons of the Rio Grande? What good would a sniper tower do at the entrance to the Chesapeake Bay against all the shipping that passes? I suggest that all of you, in your rush to judge and condem, have completely missed the obvious. I’m not “backpedaling”, I’m explaining endlesly sarcasm that should have been obvious to bein with, and at the same time you’ve done a very nce job of ignoring, again, the very real issues I have brought up. These issues were clarified in my post # 68. Would anyone care to comment on them? I’ll quote myself again: > > Does anyone care to comment on that, rather than blindly attacking a position I do not hold? Yeah I will give it a go. New Zealand has NO land borders. Not A One. But we have an overstayer “problem”. New Zealand is obviously 100’s times smaller then the US but we have a similar issue, some people like our country more then their own country and who could bloody blame them! The US and NZ and Australia and Canada etc…“the new world” have advertised themselves as such. They would not be ANYTHING if it wern’t for immigration. Well they would, they would be the homes of the Indians (Native Americans), Maori and Aboriginies. In the early 80’s New Zealand went on OVERSTAYER ALERT. Families had their homes raided in the wee small hours so anyone over their visa could be sent home. It was a “great” poilcy. It was almost always racialy based. Samoan. Tongan, Fijian.Overstaying bastards! English? Hmmmmm not so much. It sent home overstayers. It also made for many unhappy families, citizens, groups. It was a miserable time. New Zealand continues to have 1000’s of overstayers. We can’t shoot them at the border (can you shoot someone coming on holiday to visit Auntie Lee? NOOOO!) many, many, many of our visitors have no intention of leaving. As a “desirable” country we have to enforce the laws when we can can and enjoy the productivity when we can’t. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2006, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/90 "2006-05-17T12:42:43Z")
So, the moral of the story is: When **Dave** says something truly stupid, it’s ‘hyperbole’, ‘exaggeration’, or ‘sarcasm’ and should be ignored. I suspect the sound of lots of crickets from over that way about now. Ah well, sounds better to me. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Hamadryad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6de8d8/32.png) [@Hamadryad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamadryad)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2006, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/91 "2006-05-17T12:46:48Z")
> [@evilbeth](#): > > I think I understand your position. Just so I’m clear on the distinction here. What if they are in the building and they are not citizens but they plan on becoming citizens? Is that okay? If they PLAN to become employees and have the owner’s permission to be in the building, they’re fine. I’m still working with the “employer/employee/building” metaphor here. > [@](#): > > What if they have already started some of the paperwork to become citizens but they haven’t finished the lengthy, official process yet so they can hold a legal job but they are in the building doing menial work (not trying to steal the jobs of the Administrators or anything “lofty” like that)? As a note, I think the “they’re taking our jobs!” vs “they’re doing the jobs we won’t do!” is a red herring. They’re not taking upper management jobs, for one thing… and for another, I know and have known plenty of “uppity americans” who have been plenty glad to find work in landscaping, field labor, construction… > [@](#): > > You know, maybe they are…I don’t know…doing laundry or something small like that for the good law-abiding citizens who work there and the building folks are paying them under the table since they can’t legally hold a job in the building yet. Is that okay? Even though they aren’t legal citizens who can hold jobs? After all, > > > [@](#): > > > > No matter how pure your intentions, if you enter the building and you’re NOT an employee and you DON’T have permission, you’re trespassing [in the coutry illegally]. > > Or is simply starting the process enough to “legitimize” you to be able to enter the building? If the building owners are paying the potential employee under the table, they are both breaking the law. It doesn’t matter if they’re doing it for “good, law-abiding citizens” (I don’t know why you keep putting things in quotes, as though I had demonstrated the kind of prejudice you seem to be trying to imply) or Death Row inmates - it’s against the law to pay someone under-the-table. If the person in question is in the process of becoming a legal employee - _and has the owner’s **permission to be in the building** _ - they’re not legally trespassing. ---
**Author:** ![evilbeth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/evilbeth/32/2268_2.png) [@evilbeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/evilbeth)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2006, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/92 "2006-05-17T16:04:08Z")
> [@Hamadryad](#): > > If they PLAN to become employees and have the owner’s permission to be in the building, they’re fine. I’m still working with the “employer/employee/building” metaphor here.As a note, I think the “they’re taking our jobs!” vs “they’re doing the jobs we won’t do!” is a red herring. They’re not taking upper management jobs, for one thing… and for another, I know and have known plenty of “uppity americans” who have been plenty glad to find work in landscaping, field labor, construction…If the building owners are paying the potential employee under the table, they are both breaking the law. It doesn’t matter if they’re doing it for “good, law-abiding citizens” (I don’t know why you keep putting things in quotes, as though I had demonstrated the kind of prejudice you seem to be trying to imply) or Death Row inmates - it’s against the law to pay someone under-the-table. > If the person in question is in the process of becoming a legal employee - _and has the owner’s **permission to be in the building** _ - they’re not legally trespassing. The quotes on “legitimize” were to distinguish between you considering it valid on a personal level so far as your opinion on the subject goes and you saying it is/should be considered legal by the government. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2006, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/93 "2006-05-18T00:34:14Z")
The Great Loofah King is weighing in, with his own learned opinion… [http://mediamatters.org/items/200605170006](http://mediamatters.org/items/200605170006) > [@Media Matters](#): > > … During the May 16 edition of Fox News’ The O’Reilly Factor, host Bill O’Reilly claimed that The New York Times and “many far-left thinkers believe the **white power** structure that controls America is bad, so a drastic change is needed.” O’Reilly continued: “According to the lefty zealots, the **white Christians who hold power** must be swept out by a new multicultural tide, a rainbow coalition, if you will.” … > > "That’s because the newspaper and many far-left thinkers believe the **white power structure** that controls America is bad, so a drastic change is needed. > > According to the lefty zealots, the **white Christians** who hold power must be swept out by a new multicultural tide, a rainbow coalition, if you will. Hmmmm. White christians. White power. If it looks like a nazi, if it walks like a nazi, if it quacks like a nazi, it’s a nazi. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2006, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/94 "2006-05-18T03:56:44Z")
> [@](#): > > **Weirddave** : Such force can include deadly force if lesser methods fail. But you said that considering that some of these who are crossing the border are innocent children is just my “mindless rhetoric.” Are _you_ using rhetorical bullets in your guns or will deadly force be used on those very real children? > [@](#): > > Any deaths that result would be a tragedy, of course… I’ve seen film of children crossing the border. _They are real!_ Do you want to slaughter the innocents? Will you slaughter their parents before their eyes? What kind of man are you? > [@](#): > > …but if illegals persist in resisting or evading after being intercepted, warned and continue to resist or evade all non lethal attempts to detain them, then it’s on their head. You are what is truly mindless here! _You are not thinking straight_ You have some sort of cyber-echolalia from an unknown source. _Save yourself_. You are basically brain-dead. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2006, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/95 "2006-05-18T06:20:01Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > Well Frank, and the rest of you who want to classify me as “backpedaling”, the next time you come across a statement from someone directly in response to an over the top statement from someone else, you might want to wash it through the following filter. Is it unrealistic? Is it outrageous? Is it crazy? Is it far, far beyond the bounds of common human decency so as to be ridiculous? If so, you might just want to consider that it is sarcasm(or hyperbole). With you, who can tell? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2006, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/96 "2006-05-18T13:20:35Z")
O’Reilly talks about White Power. Gibson talks about how we need to make more White babies. Vox Day recommends the Germans’ “final solution”. Mike Wiener Savage is saying something or other. Skinheads are marching in anti-immigration “rallies”. How fucking dense do people have to be to not see what this is? ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2006, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/97 "2006-05-18T13:39:19Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > O’Reilly talks about White Power. Gibson talks about how we need to make more White babies. Vox Day recommends the Germans’ “final solution”. Mike Wiener Savage is saying something or other. Skinheads are marching in anti-immigration “rallies”. How fucking dense do people have to be to not see what this is? It’s not racist, it’s about keeping America American. Duh. Now if only we could find a way to keep darkies from voting. Oh, I mean keep those with low-riding cars who lean too far back in their seats from getting driver’s licenses. Then require state ID to vote. Maybe put in a reading test, too. Everyone make sure to bookmark this thread so that next time **WeirdDave** throws a hissy fit about someone making a comparison he doesn’t like he can be reminded to run it through his “filter”. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2006, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/98 "2006-05-18T15:17:11Z")
What’s interesting is that GWB has made this issue into a diversion from the real problems facing America now- the War and the Deficit- in which both issues he was taking a such a HUGE lambasting in the press and in the public opinion that he had some lackeys in the House come up with a Immigration bill that no one expected to pass, but _was_ guaranteed to cause lots of debate and acrimony. And, it’s working very very well. IMHO, of course! ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2006, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/99 "2006-05-22T06:19:38Z")
As far as I’m concerned, those calling for immigrants to be shot are Nazis, period. I don’t mean they’re Deutscher Nazionalsozialist partisans of the 1930’s. I mean they’re hardcore violent nationalists. The epithet “Nazi” fits in this case more than it usually does. And while I should be nice, try to convince people with honey instead of vinegar, I’m sick of it. Call a spade a spade. They’re Nazis. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2006, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814/100 "2006-05-22T06:30:00Z")
As someone who advocates population control, I wonder if the sort of rhetoric being used by anti-immigration types would help. Say, in China in the days of the one-child policy:[MOCK=Weirddave]How about this? If you want to breed in this country, do so legally, and you’re more than welcome. MORE than welcome. If not, **KEEP YOUR LEGS FUCKING CLOSED!** Jesus, is that so hard? When this issue comes up all we hear is the canonization of people who are, by their voluntary actions, choosing to become criminals. It’s sickening. The first duty of a sovereign nation is to conserve its resources. We’re failing miserably at that. They have no _right_ to make babies, reproducing is a _privilege_ that we are granting them. I’m all for granting them that privilege, as long as they follow the legal means in place to do so. If they want to try and rut like common animals, I got no problem with the armed forces of the U.S. doing their job and defending our borders with force, that’s what you do against pests after all. If I tried to breed hundreds of jackals in downtown Shanghai, I would fully expect the Department of Animal Control to shoot me down, and they would have every right to do so.[/MOCK]No, just sounds stupid. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-look-to-the-nazis-regarding-immigration/356814.md?page=6)