# "Let's lose with Joe!" what the 2020 campaign slogan should be **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 15, 2020, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820 "2020-04-15T03:58:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2020, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/241 "2020-04-17T23:22:05Z")
I think barely anyone has an opinion on Biden. His senate career is unremarkable in terms of public impact and notoriety. Most people could not name him before his VP run. I certainly think only a tiny fraction of supporters have been “watching him the last couple decades” The “biden bro” memes with Obama, and association with Obama in general, are basically everything he has in terms of positive feelings directed his way. He has name recognition and positive feelings leftover from Obama and that’s why he’s the nominee. I’m sure Fox News watchers are already familiar with uncle touchy, but I don’t think most of his primary voters are. I think he just seemed like the safe/default choice to most of them. It also occured to me as to why picking him has such a limited upside - he’s not going to run in 2024 as an incumbent even if he wins. Now Bernie is no younger in that department, but Pete, Warren, or just about any other candidate would be. Having an incumbent running is such a huge advantage that not being able to run for a second term is a huge downside to choosing a candidate. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2020, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/242 "2020-04-17T23:35:18Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I think barely anyone has an opinion on Biden. His senate career is unremarkable in terms of public impact and notoriety. Most people could not name him before his VP run. I certainly think only a tiny fraction of supporters have been “watching him the last couple decades” > > The “biden bro” memes with Obama, and association with Obama in general, are basically everything he has in terms of positive feelings directed his way. He has name recognition and positive feelings leftover from Obama and that’s why he’s the nominee. I’m sure Fox News watchers are already familiar with uncle touchy, but I don’t think most of his primary voters are. I think he just seemed like the safe/default choice to most of them. > > It also occured to me as to why picking him has such a limited upside - he’s not going to run in 2024 as an incumbent even if he wins. Now Bernie is no younger in that department, but Pete, Warren, or just about any other candidate would be. Having an incumbent running is such a huge advantage that not being able to run for a second term is a huge downside to choosing a candidate. You truly are a lying sack of shit. Everyone who knows about Biden knows about him blocking Robert Bork in 1987. And you’re even more of a liar because all of your fellow bros want to blame him for the Clarence Thomas confirmation. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2020, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/243 "2020-04-17T23:41:12Z")
Dale, do you truly think that if I believe that Biden isn’t well known, not only am I wrong, but that I’m a _liar_? That I know the average American knows about Biden’s judicial nomination participation 33 yearsa ago, but that I’ve decided to be deceptive about it? I, as a person well above average in political participation, did not know about what Biden did in 1987, nor have I heard about Clarance Thomas’ confirmation. I was 6 years old when this happened. And I have not heard anyone talking about it over the course of the primary campaign. Please stop digging this hole of toxicity. I have presented myself in an open and intellectually honest manner in this thread. Your assumption that I am lying is not only over the top, but absurd. What percentage of the American voting public do you think knows about the details of the Robert Bork confirmation? Is it the vast majority? It must be, since you assume that because I think they don’t know about that, I must be _lying_ about it, just not wrong or in disagreement. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/244 "2020-04-18T01:26:05Z")
There are two posters here who like to post big walls o’text that boil down to, “Biden is a tool of the conservatives, and he sucks as a candidate, too!” First off, Biden isn’t a “conservative Democrat,” he’s a blue-collar Democrat. I’ll forgive y’all for not understanding what that means, since Biden is practically the last nationally known blue-collar Democrat. Now let’s take a look at Biden’s electoral history. 1972 - Biden squeaks to a narrow win of 50.5% in his first Senate campaign. Meanwhile Richard Nixon receives 59.6% of Delaware’s votes for President. 1978 - Biden is re-elected with 58% of the vote. Meanwhile the state’s Democratic candidate for Congress garners a mere 41.2%. In fact, Biden received [more votes than any other candidate](https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=https%3A%2F%2Felections.delaware.gov%2Felectionresults%2Fpdfs%2F1978.pdf)on the Delaware ballot that year. 1984 - Biden reelected with 60.1% of the vote. He got a higher percentage of the vote in Delaware than Ronald Reagan and the winning Republican candidate for governor. To avoid turning this into a wall o’text I’ll skip the narrative from here on. 1990 - 62.7& 1996 - 60% 2002 - 58.7% 2008 - 64.7% Of course, Bernie has racked up some big totals while running in Vermont. But it isn’t like Biden’s giving away anything to Trump that Bernie might win. > [@Senor Beef](#): > > It also occured to me as to why picking him has such a limited upside - he’s not going to run in 2024 as an incumbent even if he wins. Now Bernie is no younger in that department, but Pete, Warren, or just about any other candidate would be. Having an incumbent running is such a huge advantage that not being able to run for a second term is a huge downside to choosing a candidate. Sanders is a year older than Biden and had a heart attack six months ago. You really want to try to play the health card? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/245 "2020-04-18T01:34:05Z")
> [@RealFDRdem](#): > > So I’m supposed to fall in line by helping bestow a mandate on a corporate-backed so-called moderate who has repeatedly said he wants to “reach across the aisle” to those same Republicans? No thanks… The only bad thing about Biden’s embrace of bipartisanship was how fast he backpedaled when attacked for it. Maybe he’ll rediscover enough courage to Consort With The Enemy when it becomes necessary yet again. Even FDR worked with Republicans to get needed legislation passed\*, despite there frequently being supermajorities of Democrats in Congress. FDR also refused to support an anti-lynching bill in the 1930s for fear of offending southern Democrats and killing chances of getting key New Deal elements passed. On the face of it, that’s far worse than anything Biden has done. \*if you think that’s useless or impossible now because all Republicans are slime, you’re part of the problem. Few to none will cross the aisle on votes if they’re going to be demonized by both sides. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/246 "2020-04-18T03:00:59Z")
For that matter, a Real FDR dem should remember that the real FDR wasn’t afraid to have the reactionary John Nance Garner OR the leftist Henry Wallace on the ticket with him. It was the party bosses that convinced him to accept the more-progressive-than-anyone-thought Harry Truman. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/247 "2020-04-18T03:06:19Z")
> [@RealFDRdem](#): > > Though I’ve already made this point it bears repeating. Why is it when Bernie was polling better for the general than Hillary in 2016 we were told constantly “Oh, polls this far out from the election are meaningless” but when Biden polls slightly better than Bernie against Trump (often in the margin of error) we’re supposed to take it as gospel that Biden is more electable? Hillary was winning the primary at the time. Noone here is arguing that biden should be the nominee despite losing the primary. I for one thought that Bernie would have been a better choice last year but not this year. You can go back to that time and see posts by me criticizing the shenanigans that went on. But the “I’m For Her” crowd (you remember them, right?) shouted me down. “why shouldn’t the DNC show favoritism” they said. “It’s their party, they can do what they like,” they said. Well that’s all well and good but if he wins the nomination then it’s HIS party, isn’t it? This isn’t like that. The party isn’t cheating to steer the nomination towards Biden. I think Debbie Wasserman Schultz is as much at fault for Hillary losing last time around as FBI director Comey. I frankly didn’t blame the bernie bros for being bitter despite the fact that it was higly unlikely that bernie was going to win the nomination. It’s like the pirates losing to the astros. You were probably going to lose anyway but it still pisses you off that the other side cheated. And you can’t blame the fans for turning on the astros. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/248 "2020-04-18T03:20:31Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > End result, the Republicans run right, the democrats run right to catch those few non-cultist voters that the republicans “left behind” and the end result is that we grow to be a more right wing country every day.\* > > Now our ideal scenario is that we elect all democrats so they can enact a more right-wing policy than we had yesterday. There’s no winning case for people who do not want to be part of a right wing oligarchy in this scenario. This is exactly what has happened over the last 20-30 years. Every Democrat has pushed the country to the left. Are you seriously saying we are further to the right than we were in 1988? > [@](#): > > By continuously voting for a continuously more right wing democratic party, I am consenting and creating a movement that I think is entirely negative and should not happen. The Democratic party was almost unelectable at one point. I don’t think we need to revisit that time. > [@](#): > > \*It’s not even worth it electorally, because there are not many of those people who are willing to say “okay, republicans have gone too far, I’m out” as we see in our current situation with 40% of our country just deciding batshit crazy is fine as long as it’s not democrat. There are suprisingly few disaffected republicans to collect, and yet the democratic party is hard charging right anyway. How in the world is nominating biden hard charging right? Not nominating Bernie is merely declining to jerk violently to the left. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/249 "2020-04-18T03:25:02Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > It is factually true that the 1996 telecom act removed restrictions that allowed how much media one corporation can own. Since then, our media sources have been bought up by 6 corporations. Over 90% of media in the US is controlled by 6 corporations. Do you think this has affected the American media landscape has changed because of this? Do you think that news sources all owned by mega-corps are interested in exposing to the American people a realistic idea about the political influence of megacorps? > > It is factually true that untraceable money has been massively increased in politics with such things as the Citizens United rulings and superpacs. > > It is factually true that when the interests of a few wealthy elite and the general opinion of the constituents differ, the politicians almost always go with the wishes of the wealthy elite. [cite](https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746). Or if you prefer the academic source, [cite](https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B) > > It is factually true that productivity gains and wage gains became decoupled in the late 70s to early 80s, so while the country has become increasing rich, the working class has seen almost none of the gains from this. The wealth is instead concentrated at the top, with wealth inequality are currently higher than they were even in the 1920s. > > None of my claims are fringe, fanciful, or unfactual. In no way am I a conspiracy theorist. The data is plain and easy to interpret. I totally agree with you that wages and productivity diverged in the early 80s. You can probably blame the destruction of unions. Now when the enterprise makes more money, the boss just keeps it. Before when the enterprise made more money the unions stepped in and demanded the workers get their share. Do you feel that Biden is any less union friendly than Bernie? > **[List of Bernie Sanders 2020 presidential campaign endorsements | Labor organizations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bernie_Sanders_2020_presidential_campaign_endorsements#Labor_organizations)** > > 1.APWU – American Postal Workers Union, representing 200,000\[b\] | > 2.NNU – National Nurses United, representing 150,000 | > 3.NUHW – National Union of Healthcare Workers, representing 15,000 (co-endorsement with Elizabeth Warren) | > 4.UE – United Electrical, Radio and Machine Workers of America, representing 35,900 > **[List of Joe Biden 2020 presidential campaign endorsements](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Joe_Biden_2020_presidential_campaign_endorsements#Labor_unions)** > > Elections: > > This is a list of notable individuals and organizations who endorsed Joe Biden's campaign for president of the United States in the 2020 U.S. presidential election. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/250 "2020-04-18T03:51:55Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Every Democrat has pushed the country to the left. Are you seriously saying we are further to the right than we were in 1988? Economically? Yes. Socially we’ve moved left. Better on racism and gay rights and general tolerance issues. But in terms of running the economy for the rich rather than the average person we’ve certainly moved right. “Right to work” and similar laws have made shifted the employment power dynamic in favor of businesses. Unions have been gutted and busted and underpowered. The Telecom Act of 1966 and the subsequent concentration of our media has moved our entire national discussion to a much more pro-rich, pro-corporate place. Taxes have moved away from the richest and onto people who have less ability to pay it. Campaign funding and dark money is more corrupt and less transparent. Technically this isn’t a left/right issue, but since it always moves our politics in the direction of being pro-rich/business, I’m including it. Creation and enforcement of safety and environmental regulations is generally on a downward trend. We are in a state of perpetual war. Welfare reform. Even the ACA, probably cited often as a leftist achievement, is really just trying to prop up a failing system for a few more years. It was rewritten to favor the interests of the insurance industry. Free trade agreements may have been to the benefit of large corporations and not the worker, but that one is complex enough that I don’t really understand it. In terms of letting the rich loot the country, keeping the economic status of the poor low, empowering the rich to buy politicians, destroying any sort of power that workers have, removing restrictions and protections against the damages that business causes, etc. both parties have moved significantly right since 1998. I would even argue that the entire point of third way democrats and neoliberalism was to facilitate this. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/251 "2020-04-18T04:16:13Z")
> [@Kent\_Clark](#): > > For that matter, a Real FDR dem should remember that the real FDR wasn’t afraid to have the reactionary John Nance Garner OR the leftist Henry Wallace on the ticket with him. It was the party bosses that convinced him to accept the more-progressive-than-anyone-thought Harry Truman. No worries. Once the Mods figure out they’ve already banned **Barack Obama** once, they’ll boot the loser again. ---
**Author:** ![RealFDRdem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ac8455/32.png) [@RealFDRdem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealFDRdem)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/252 "2020-04-18T04:26:02Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Lest anyone think anything more of you than a standard issue paranoid conspiracy theory lunatic. Right, Obama made Hillary Secretary of State because he just had to have her in his administration, not because it was her price for her endorsement. And politicians never make deals or put pressure on each other. What universe do you live in? ---
**Author:** ![RealFDRdem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ac8455/32.png) [@RealFDRdem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealFDRdem)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/253 "2020-04-18T04:27:39Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Lest anyone think anything more of you than a standard issue paranoid conspiracy theory lunatic. Right, Obama made Hillary Secretary of State because he just had to have her in his administration, not because it was her price for her endorsement. And politicians never make deals or put pressure on each other. What universe do you live in? Oh right, the one that Idiocracy inhabits… ---
**Author:** ![RealFDRdem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ac8455/32.png) [@RealFDRdem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealFDRdem)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/254 "2020-04-18T04:34:29Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > As my post actually said, you’re supposed to vote to make things better. > > Dumbass. I am voting to make things better. I want to help make sure the Democrats don’t take my “safe” state for granted by pushing corporate ass-lickers on the electorate. Asshole ---
**Author:** ![RealFDRdem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ac8455/32.png) [@RealFDRdem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealFDRdem)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/255 "2020-04-18T04:44:28Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > If Sanders had won, Biden would poll better at the end. Because one guy is going to have a GOP war machine hammering at him and the other guy is going to be largely forgotten so it’s easy to say “Yeah, he seems okay” six months from now. > > Biden had voters braving a pandemic to wait in line for an hour to vote and give him a 30 point win in Wisconsin. Sanders hasn’t expanded his base in four years and can’t get his voters out on a sunny day. But, sure, something something enthusiasm because Biden doesn’t have enough noise on Reddit. Would someone address the 2016 polls that had Bernie beating Trump by 10.4%(!)? Does Bernie live in a universe where polls don’t matter? Is it only a (shudder) “socialist” that could have info come out once the GOP war machine goes on attack that affects those numbers? Someone please address this, I’d love to see the verbal and intellectual contortions and gymnastics that will accompany the explanation… Ya know, please explain how Hillary was the infinitely more electable candidate. Please. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/256 "2020-04-18T04:47:22Z")
> [@RealFDRdem](#): > > I am voting to make things better. I want to help make sure the Democrats don’t take my “safe” state for granted by pushing corporate ass-lickers on the electorate. > > Asshole It’s been demonstrated you’re wrong, moron. Not opined: Demonstrated. ---
**Author:** ![RealFDRdem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ac8455/32.png) [@RealFDRdem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealFDRdem)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/257 "2020-04-18T04:56:25Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > No worries. Once the Mods figure out they’ve already banned **Barack Obama** once, they’ll boot the loser again. You know, why don’t you go fuck yourself? I have never been a member of these boards before and frankly with how many assholes are on here it probably won’t be long before I buy a round of “Adios, motherfuckers!” for all of you. I never once made anything personal until someone did to me. Was my thread title provocative? Yes, of course, it was meant to be. I’m sick of “Bernie bros”, Russia, Comey, and every other fucking excuse people have for Hillary losing in 2016. The fault is hers and those who supported her in the primaries. Not to say nothing else had an effect but is she couldn’t blow Donald fucking Trump out of the water then she’s a pathetic unelectable loser who should hide her head in shame in perpetuity. As should those who supported her, especially the people who took no lessons to heart and pushed Joe fucking Biden on us. When he loses the people who supported him in the primaries are to blame. Period. ---
**Author:** ![RealFDRdem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ac8455/32.png) [@RealFDRdem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealFDRdem)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/258 "2020-04-18T04:58:56Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > It’s been demonstrated you’re wrong, moron. Not opined: Demonstrated. Really? Been taking it in the ear too much must have scrambled your brain. An assertion without any hint of argument or explanation, nice. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/259 "2020-04-18T05:01:22Z")
> [@RealFDRdem](#): > > You know, why don’t you go fuck yourself? I have never been a member of these boards before and frankly with how many assholes are on here it probably won’t be long before I buy a round of “Adios, motherfuckers!” for all of you. I never once made anything personal until someone did to me. Was my thread title provocative? Yes, of course, it was meant to be. I’m sick of “Bernie bros”, Russia, Comey, and every other fucking excuse people have for Hillary losing in 2016. The fault is hers and those who supported her in the primaries. Not to say nothing else had an effect but is she couldn’t blow Donald fucking Trump out of the water then she’s a pathetic unelectable loser who should hide her head in shame in perpetuity. As should those who supported her, especially the people who took no lessons to heart and pushed Joe fucking Biden on us. When he loses the people who supported him in the primaries are to blame. Period. Allow me to be the first to wish you an “Adios, Motherfucker” in return, **Barack Obama**. Loser. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/260 "2020-04-18T05:01:54Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > That is a fair point. I suspect Biden will fall further than Bernie would fall for the reason I outlined, but you can’t really quantify that hypothetical. > > **I think you guys are underestimating how uninspiring Biden is currently.** This lockdown was his big chance to establish himself as a leader to the American people and he sat it out. If he can’t be inspiring now, when it’s basically an ideal scenario and he’s being tossed a softball, how is he going to do it later in the campaign? > > You’ve probably seen the creepy videos, but you’re going to see them hundreds of times before November. And yes, it’s incredibly stupid that our media is going to say “Biden is unelectable due to being a creep! Vote for the rapist!” mor or less, but it’ll happen. Moreover, a lot of Trump’s supporters probably think Trump’s sexual assault is the sort of macho awesome rich guy sexual assault they’d like to commit one day, whereas Biden’s supporters are not going to be as shitty and will be more appalled at his creepy Uncle Touchy stuff. > > And the senile guy vs senile guy debates are not likely to help voter turnout, which is bad for democrats. **You, OTOH, appear to be underestimating how _inspiring_ the America-hating fuckstick is, wrt people wanting to throw him the fuck out.** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820.md?page=14)