# "Let's lose with Joe!" what the 2020 campaign slogan should be **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 15, 2020, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820 "2020-04-15T03:58:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/303 "2020-04-19T21:18:01Z")
> [@RealFDRdem](#): > > If you honestly believe that a candidate who had performed well in the opening contests would drop out before, rather than after Super Tuesday without either a deal, or a threat to damage their career, then you are incredibly naive. The only people pushing this are Sanders supporters pissy that he wasn’t allowed to just waltz through a fractured field to the nomination and was instead expected to do the real work of growing his support base and convincing them to actually vote. How unfair! Must be a conspiracy! ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/304 "2020-04-19T21:39:02Z")
> [@Brayne\_Ded](#): > > It seems to be the same process at work with Biden. Seen from a distance, he is a blank; no record, no image, nobody outside the USA had heard of him. [Joe Biden is the guy sitting to the immediate right\* of the really stone-faced black dude.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Obama_and_Biden_await_updates_on_bin_Laden.jpg) \*That is, to the viewer’s left. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/305 "2020-04-19T22:40:26Z")
> [@Brayne\_Ded](#): > > They say that in a democracy you generally end up with your third choice. The leading candidates batter each other to death or are unacceptable for some reason, and you are left with the guy that nobody actually dislikes. Supposedly this is how Warren Harding was chosen. It seems to be the same process at work with Biden. Seen from a distance, he is a blank; no record, no image, nobody outside the USA had heard of him. > > So what are his chances? In 2016 Bernie Sanders was seen as too controversial and did not get the ticket. Hillary Clinton did, but she polarized. OK, with hindsight, she would have been better than Trump, but too many people were not prepared to vote for her. Are the positions about to be reversed/ Trump is the one who polarizes, and while he has a loyal fan base, hopefully the uncommitted would prefer to vote for a cipher than … than whatever rude name you wish to apply to Trump. > > If only the rest of the world could vote. Trump would be out by a landslide. No, in 2016 Bernie Sanders was rejected resoundingly by the electorate in the primaries. There’s millions of reasons to reject the shitbag, not just ‘controversy’ Bernie Sanders was never close to winning in 2016, get that through your head. ---
**Author:** ![RealFDRdem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ac8455/32.png) [@RealFDRdem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealFDRdem)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/306 "2020-04-19T23:11:59Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > How would Hillary Clinton as president damage the Democratic party? The neoliberals would have felt vindicated and done everything they could to cement their power in the Democratic Party, very possibly splitting it in two. ---
**Author:** ![RealFDRdem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ac8455/32.png) [@RealFDRdem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealFDRdem)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/307 "2020-04-19T23:13:42Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Answer a question: Are you a fucking idiot? > > I mean, only a fucking idiot would waltz in and say something so goddamn fucking stupid, right? > > After all, someone who’s participated in these endless discussions must have surely learned by now that while Biden may not be the first choice for many people, he is surely the better alternative to the current administration. And having reached that conclusion (hopefully), one might choose to shut their dumb whore mouth about whatever disagreements they might have with Biden’s past record because surely it’s better than 4 more years of the current orange asswipe. Right? I mean otherwise, they’d just come across like a fucking idiot. > > And you’re not a fucking idiot. Are you? He’s not an idiot but you are certainly a hideously repugnant asshole. ---
**Author:** ![RealFDRdem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ac8455/32.png) [@RealFDRdem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealFDRdem)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2020, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/308 "2020-04-19T23:15:40Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > That’s not how it works. If the Dems lose, they’ll move even further towards the center next time, because that’s where the votes are. > > Face it: the only way a progressive can ever win is by running as a moderate. If the Democratic Party tried to do that in the current political climate I believe it would split in two and never win a national election again. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2020, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/309 "2020-04-20T00:38:16Z")
> [@RealFDRdem](#): > > If the Democratic Party tried to do that in the current political climate I believe it would split in two and never win a national election again. No, we’d mock you as the useless shitters you are, we will win elections, the ‘progressives’ can whine and be loud on social media. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2020, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/310 "2020-04-20T00:38:44Z")
> [@RealFDRdem](#): > > He’s not an idiot but you are certainly a hideously repugnant asshole. Duly noted. > [@RealFDRdem](#): > > If the Democratic Party tried to do that in the current political climate I believe it would split in two and never win a national election again. \*Still, on the other hand, water is water. And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. \* Tell us what else you know. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2020, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/311 "2020-04-20T01:04:08Z")
> [@RealFDRdem](#): > > The neoliberals would have felt vindicated and done everything they could to cement their power in the Democratic Party, very possibly splitting it in two. Here’s something most people learn long before they finish middle school: words actually have meanings and just stringing random words together does not always make sense. But, hey, you’re no more a Democrat than Trump is, so nobody other than you takes you seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2020, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/312 "2020-04-20T15:49:53Z")
Even if you want to ride the “People don’t like Joe Biden!” train, people apparently still find him better than the other guy: > [@](#): > > The new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finds that voters who have a negative opinion of both President Trump and Joe Biden overwhelmingly prefer Biden, 60% to 10%. ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2020, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/313 "2020-04-20T17:38:57Z")
> [@RealFDRdem](#): > > If the Democratic Party tried to do that in the current political climate I believe it would split in two and never win a national election again. You may know the electoral rules as they’re laid out by the Constitution, but you don’t understand the practical effects of those rules. It’s an unintended consequence that our electoral laws always push us to a two-party system. And those two parties are always feeling out where that 50-50 line is, and positioning themselves as close to it as possible. If the Democratic Party were to schism, one of those two pieces would quickly find that point where half the voters would vote for it, while the other would vanish. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2020, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/314 "2020-04-20T20:24:03Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > He’s been a Senator since the '70s and spent eight years a heartbeat away from the presidency. If you haven’t heard of him that says less about his profile than your ignorance. He also served as Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and as ranking minority member of that Committee. He also served as Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee and as ranking minority member of that Committee. He served six full six-year terms in the Senate. He was strongly praised, by President Obama and others, for his service as Vice President. He was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom with Distinction. Whatever Joe Biden’s faults, calling him a “cipher” is … peculiar. @ **Brayne Ded** — Your application for a change to your user-name is rejected. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Unreconstructed\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@Unreconstructed\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unreconstructed_Man)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2020, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/315 "2020-04-20T20:55:13Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > No, we’d mock you as the useless shitters you are, we will win elections, the ‘progressives’ can whine and be loud on social media. Still massively butthurt about how mean the Chapos were to Mayo Pete the Rat King, I see… ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2020, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/316 "2020-04-21T02:48:21Z")
\*Noises on the radio Megaphones on cars Sermons from the Street of Shame Know-it-alls in bars Posters in suburbia Experts on t.v. Don’t let them disturb-i-ya They’re just the powers that be No matter who you vote for, the government always gets in\* - Bonzo Dog Band ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2020, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/317 "2020-04-21T04:26:40Z")
So the judge who said that a church’s right to gather is more important than a public health crisis? [A Trump appointee.](https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/18/judge-blocks-kansas-limits-on-religious-gathering-coronavirus-193907) All the dipshits who say there’s no difference between Trump and Biden need a civics lesson. He and McConnell have [made it a priority](https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/12/trump-judges-mcconnell-circuit-082836). [Even COVID-19 hasn’t stopped them](https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/commentary/coronavirus-trump-mcconnell-michael-atkinson-fired-shock-doctrine-supreme-court-20200405.html). Forget about Roe v Wade (while male liberals pretty much already have), the GOP’s plan all along was to gerrymander their way into power and make the judiciary as conservative as possible. This isn’t just the Supreme Court either: It’s ever level of the federal courts. So, leftists, you want Trump appointing judges for four more years? How amenable will they be to this “revolution” you guys cry about when they won’t even let a governor close churches during a fucking epidemic? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/318 "2021-05-15T18:55:45Z")
Bumped. Y’know, I think the guy actually won… ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/319 "2021-05-15T20:56:05Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Y’know, I think the guy actually won… He “won”, if you listen to the right folks talk about it. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/320 "2021-05-15T21:06:50Z")
> [@RealFDRdem](#): > > How in the world people were convinced that a bumbling mediocrity like Joe Biden, who can’t keep his hands off little girls, has pissed off every important Democratic constituency, can’t speak a coherent sentence, and was chosen by Obama as VP precisely because he was a relatively conservative Democrat, is the “electable” candidate speaks loudly to the sheep mentality of a large part of the Democratic electorate. If you have a newsletter you can keep that dumb shit to yourself. But the good news for dumbfucks like yourself is that they’re still counting in Arizona. Ninjas, even. Good luck with that! ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/321 "2021-05-15T21:37:21Z")
Just a reminder this is one year old. And the poster who started the thread hasn’t been seen since. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/322 "2021-05-15T22:05:22Z")
I don’t blame him. Sanders supporters baffle me. I support a lot of what Sanders stands for, but anyone who thought that Sanders was the choice to win nationally vs. Trump, and that Biden wasn’t, is as delusional as a Trump supporter. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820.md?page=17)