# "Let's lose with Joe!" what the 2020 campaign slogan should be **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 15, 2020, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820 "2020-04-15T03:58:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/41 "2020-04-15T13:52:05Z")
So, the new poster is, at a minimum, 97 years old (had to be at least 21 in 1944 to vote for FDR…). ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/42 "2020-04-15T13:59:46Z")
> [@RealFDRdem](#): > > Hey everyone new poster here. I honestly think this is the campaign slogan the DNC should run with. Maybe add “at least he isn’t the other guy”. How in the world people were convinced that a bumbling mediocrity like Joe Biden, who can’t keep his hands off little girls, has pissed off every important Democratic constituency, can’t speak a coherent sentence, and was chosen by Obama as VP precisely because he was a relatively conservative Democrat, is the “electable” candidate speaks loudly to the sheep mentality of a large part of the Democratic electorate. If I honestly thought their “electable” candidates were actually electable then I might go along with this mentality. But “electablitiy” seems to boil down to being a militaristic corporate bootlicker who won’t rock the boat and I really don’t think that’s what a majority of Americans are looking for! Every four years I practically beg people not to let the powers that be turn their brains to mush and every four years I see a somewhat glazed-eye look that tries to tell me that the corporate and DNC anointed “moderate” is the electable one more or less because that’s what they’re told. Critical thinking skills seem to be in short supply these days. One has to go back 50 years for the liberal boogeyman loser but the safe moderate loser happens all the time. Now that we’re in the Pit, I’ll call you a troll and a rather pathetic one at that. Even the whiniest Bernie Bro on Twitter can generally use proper English. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/43 "2020-04-15T14:09:22Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Then you’re a fool. Last election people thought PA was safe, so I know a number of people who did just what you’re proposing to do. > > Trump won in PA. I was screaming about PA’s importance. I started in October 2015, 13 months before the election: > [@Top-Of-Head, Bottom-Of-Gut, Direct-From-Rectum: 2016](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-of-head-bottom-of-gut-direct-from-rectum-2016/723875/49): > > Pennsylvania is surely “in play.” _If the GOP can win it somehow, they win the White House_. If they lose Pennsylvania, along with every state that had a smaller GOP percentage vote in 2012 than Pennsylvania had, _they lose the White House_. Just like its nickname implies, Pennsylvania is the Key stone for this election. > > That’s not to say GOP victory is impossible without Pennsylvania. If the election is close, you may assume that GOP will take North Carolina, Ohio, and Florida. Given those states _and Virginia_, they’d only need _one more swing state_; it wouldn’t have to be the Keystone State. Tiny New Hampshire would push them over, as would any of Colorado, Iowa, Nevada, Minnesota, or Wisconsin. (With neither Pennsylvania nor Virginia, the GOP would probably have to win at least three other swing states.) > > TL;DR: _ **Don’t let your guard down** _. November 2016 still looks like a coin-toss. Complacency in Pennsylvania would be a _huge_ mistake. I was immediately rebuked: > [@Top-Of-Head, Bottom-Of-Gut, Direct-From-Rectum: 2016](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-of-head-bottom-of-gut-direct-from-rectum-2016/723875/50): > > > [@Top-Of-Head, Bottom-Of-Gut, Direct-From-Rectum: 2016](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-of-head-bottom-of-gut-direct-from-rectum-2016/723875/49): > > > > Just like its nickname implies, Pennsylvania is the Key stone for this election. > > I disagree. … Pennsylvania’s size and relative consistency in demographic terms make it unlikely that Pennsylvania is winnable for the Republicans in anything less than a pretty substantial GOP win. > [@Top-Of-Head, Bottom-Of-Gut, Direct-From-Rectum: 2016](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-of-head-bottom-of-gut-direct-from-rectum-2016/723875/54): > > The only way they win it is if they benefit from a large enough \*national \*tide “somehow” that makes it irrelevant. PA is not in play except to the extent the \*nation \*is in play. Over the next 12 months, I continued to point out that Pennsylvania was the key tipping state. (Nothing arcane about the deduction: it was self-evident to anyone who understood Nate Silver’s graphics.) _ **Nobody ever agreed with me, but many disagreed.** _ _Sorry, folks. I feel like my services are wasted here._😛 ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/44 "2020-04-15T14:10:31Z")
I have a suspicion that this “new poster” may not actually be a new poster. But it’s just a suspicion… anyone else share it? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/45 "2020-04-15T14:28:20Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I’ve decided to convert this thread into a Poll. Those who answer ‘No’ on Question 1 are ineligible to answer Questions 2 & 3. > > Question 1: Have you [watched this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoU1u4HoMjA)? > ⧠ Yes. > ⧠ Loved it! I skipped the first 90 seconds to get to the political message. > ⧠ Didn’t need to. Already caught the 2-minute excerpt on cable news. > ⧠ Of course not. My mind’s already made up. > > Question 2: Compare your credentials with the speaker in the video. > ⧠ It’s close, but the opinion of the 44th President of the United States is worthier than mine. > ⧠ I’m smarter than fatso on _The Young Turks_. Who’s this guy with the funny ears? > ⧠ That guy orchestrated the Massacre in Benghazi. I never did that. > > Question 3: Did the video change your mind about anything? > ⧠ I was already a strong Biden supporter. The video made me even more fervent. > ⧠ Obama, Trump, Biden — they’re all the same. I’m still planning to write-in Lady Gaga for President. > ⧠ Is this question a joke? Do you have a cite that anything posted at SDMB has ever changed anyone’s mind? Ummm, your poll isn’t working for me. Also, is it even POSSIBLE to insert a Poll into the middle of an existing thread (okay, when you posted that, it was actually on the END of an established thread, but still)? That said, that was a really good speech. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/46 "2020-04-15T14:33:47Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > How much are the Republicans paying you to post here? The G.O.P. is pouring millions of dollars into influencing obscure, largely left-wing message boards. Be very afraid. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/47 "2020-04-15T14:51:30Z")
> [@RealFDRdem](#): > > Of course not. I live in a safe state so I have the freedom to vote my conscience by either voting Green or writing in Bernie. If I lived in a swing state I would vote for Biden. But I wouldn’t knock on any doors for him, I wouldn’t passionately try to get others to vote for him, and I certainly won’t send him any money. He gets enough from the corporations that have made him their stooge. Traitor Trump (R - Impeached) appreciates your continued support, MAGAtrash. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/48 "2020-04-15T15:00:19Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I have a suspicion that this “new poster” may not actually be a new poster. But it’s just a suspicion… anyone else share it? I know I’m somehow in the mood for a Sloppy Joe. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/49 "2020-04-15T16:38:48Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > The G.O.P. is pouring millions of dollars into influencing obscure, largely left-wing message boards. > > Be very afraid. :eek: Not just obscure, largely left-wing message boards but ones that frequently time out. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/50 "2020-04-15T16:45:11Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Not just obscure, largely left-wing message boards but ones that frequently time out. Maybe if we promised to be nicer to the trolls, the Kremlin would help finance our upgrade. ---
**Author:** ![Isosleepy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/isosleepy/32/479_2.png) [@Isosleepy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isosleepy)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/51 "2020-04-15T16:49:14Z")
Gotta love the bros who genuinely believe Sanders is more electable than Biden because pretty much everyone on both their favorite subreddits say so. ---
**Author:** ![BrickBat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac91a4/32.png) [@BrickBat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrickBat)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/52 "2020-04-15T17:37:02Z")
> [@Isosleepy](#): > > Gotta love the bros who genuinely believe Sanders is more electable than Biden because pretty much everyone on both their favorite subreddits say so. Circular logic can work both ways. Or do we gotta love the corporate dems who say a corporatist is more “electable” because all the corporatist shills/pundits say so? ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/53 "2020-04-15T17:37:49Z")
> [@RealFDRdem](#): > > has pissed off every important Democratic constituency… And yet the majority of the Democrats voted for him over other possible candidates. If your definition of “important” Democratic constituency represents less than half of actual Democrats, I don’t think this word means what you think it means. As for Biden’s vs Sander’s electability in November I have one question. Who are the voters that are going to put Sander’s over the top, and why didn’t they vote for him in the primary? **When the more liberal side of the national electorate was polled, they preferred Biden to Sanders.** Let this sink in. The voters in November are going to be a more conservative than those that voted in the primary. If Sanders can’t win when the deck is stacked with those people who would be most likely to support him, how the hell would he win in November? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/54 "2020-04-15T19:25:33Z")
From whose dryer did this trock fall out? ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/55 "2020-04-15T19:48:36Z")
> [@BrickBat](#): > > Or do we gotta love the corporate dems who say a corporatist is more “electable” because all the corporatist shills/pundits say so? Well, the corporate shills got the vote out for their candidate, so I’d go with them. ---
**Author:** ![markdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@markdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/markdash)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/56 "2020-04-15T20:16:35Z")
I voted Bernie in our state’s primary (last minute switch from Warren, who I probably prefer overall), but always found the electability arguments in his favor to be thin at best. Maybe I pay too much attention to polling during primary season, but Biden has generally done better against Trump in H2H matchups. Biden performs very well with white working class and minority voters, and any weakness amongst young voters is counterbalanced by the fact that _they don’t actually vote_. It’s really just projection, rose twitter and reddit are convinced that Bernie was more electable just because he was their preferred candidate and not grounded in any actual facts. ---
**Author:** ![RealFDRdem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ac8455/32.png) [@RealFDRdem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealFDRdem)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/57 "2020-04-15T20:29:02Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > …So you’ll be voting for Trump, then. You may want to retake 7th grade civics to learn how the electoral college works:smack: ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/58 "2020-04-15T20:31:43Z")
> [@markdash](#): > > It’s really just projection, rose twitter and reddit are convinced that Bernie was more electable just because he was their preferred candidate and not grounded in any actual facts. [Bernie has issued a public statement telling his supporters that not supporting Biden would be irresponsible.](https://apnews.com/a1bfb62e37fe34e09ff123a58a1329fa) ---
**Author:** ![RealFDRdem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ac8455/32.png) [@RealFDRdem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealFDRdem)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/59 "2020-04-15T20:35:15Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > Those polls are Biden vs Bernie, not Biden vs Trump and Bernie vs Trump. > > And the biggest reason why Biden beats Bernie in those head-to-heads is because people think Biden is more “electable”. That is to say, group A supports Biden because they think group B supports him, and group B supports Biden because they think group A supports him. No-one particularly wants him on his merits, which is why he’ll run an anaemic campaign that won’t excite anyone, and that, in turn, is why he’s going to get steamrollered by Donald Trump. Thanks Unreconstructed Man. It never ceases to amaze me that every four years Democratic primary voters are somehow convinced that NAFTA-loving, Goldman Sachs-bowing, etc. etc. nominees are the “moderates” that working-class people are just itching to go out and vote for. Especially when those candidates keep losing. ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/60 "2020-04-15T20:35:16Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > [Bernie has issued a public statement telling his supporters that not supporting Biden would be irresponsible.](https://apnews.com/a1bfb62e37fe34e09ff123a58a1329fa) SandersSuckers will still have a childish pity pout because they didn’t get their way. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820.md?page=4)