# "Let's lose with Joe!" what the 2020 campaign slogan should be **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 15, 2020, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820 "2020-04-15T03:58:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/121 "2020-04-16T17:13:43Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > Sexist? _You’re_ the one supporting a guy with a credible sexual assault allegation hanging over his head, not RealFDR. When it comes to the question of supporting a candidate with “a credible sexual assault allegation hanging over his head,” I’m more inclined to take my lead from Elizabeth Warren or Kamala Harris than someone who calls himself **Unreconstructed Man.** Oh, I forgot, [Warren isn’t a real progressive.](https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/15/bernie-left-divided-on-warren-for-vp-187113) ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/122 "2020-04-16T17:23:33Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > This suggests that Sanders failed to expand his support from 2016 (and was shedding some supporters since new voters would have entered the fold) while Biden was seeing a surge in people who were interested in him. Not exactly a winning formula for Sanders in a general election. Indeed. Bernie and his voters were pretty much overwhelmed by a groundswell committed to the Most Important Job – getting Donald J. Trump out of the White House. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/123 "2020-04-16T17:42:40Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I don’t really buy this. On social issues? Sure, everyone is less racist and homphobic and all that. That’s fine. Those are the issues that the rich let us argue over because they don’t care about the result, it doesn’t affect them. We can squabble over abortion and gay rights and gun control - they don’t give a shit. In fact, they like it, it gives them the chance to make us feel like we’re making a real choice when in terms of economics, income inequality, and who holds the political power in this country, both parties are on the same side. The parties are vastly more similar than they are different. > > But economically? There used to be people on both sides who genuinely tried to serve the American public before the rich. Now there are none - Bernie is the last one that will run in our lifetimes, barring some real deal unexpected massive change in American society. Every single “moderate” democrat serves the rich and corporate interests firsts, and the American people a distant second. > > We are an oligarchy, a managed democracy, and a kleptocracy, the parties only differ in how blatant and how destructively greedy they are in the short term. The democrats favor a more sane policy of keeping the economy good for the rich in the long term, so they’ve got a little more sane economic policy, whereas the Republicans are in the blatant Banana Republic looting the country stage. But they are not on different sides of the spectrum. They are both tools of the oligarchy. They are both significantly right wing. > > Don’t confuse following social trends that don’t affect the rich as a move towards being progressive or left. We were far more left than we were now in the 1930s through 1970s. FDR was considered a class traitor for actually serving the American public. We will never see anyone like that again. You’re so full of shit, you’re the reason for the TP shortage. My god, you sound like a college kid that just had a class or two with a lefty philosophy professor. Corporations are bad, mommy!! The rich only wanna get richer!!! All politicians are bought and sold by the rich and powerful!! Big banks bad Wall Street bad Establishment bad And the only one who can save is a useless backbench blowhard Senator. An idiot who has accomplished nothing after a lifetime of being on the public payroll. A petulant child who never got a job until he was 40. Voters have told Sanders twice that we don’t want his fucking revolution. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/124 "2020-04-16T17:47:07Z")
I’ve never said this, Dale, but I’ve thought it for a while: you are a piece of shit human being. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/125 "2020-04-16T18:13:03Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I’ve never said this, Dale, but I’ve thought it for a while: you are a piece of shit human being. Pssst, Bernie still lost. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/126 "2020-04-16T18:18:23Z")
Oh, it has little to do with that. Your weird hatred of MLK. The assumption that every woman is a gold digger. Weird, irrational hatred of people who all generally happen to be black. As you can see, I generally am not calling the people who disagree with me and hate Bernie human garbage, you are uniquely so. Are you going to tell me, by the way, that I’m unworthy of voting for Joe Biden, like you did with Manwich in your little pit thread you were too cowardly to stay in once it backfired? You are vile, vindictive, toxic, probably racist and sexist, and just unpleasant. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/127 "2020-04-16T18:19:41Z")
Oh, it has little to do with that. Your weird hatred of MLK. The assumption that every woman is a gold digger. Weird, irrational hatred of people who all generally happen to be black. As you can see, I generally am not calling the people who disagree with me and hate Bernie human garbage, you are uniquely so. Are you going to tell me, by the way, that I’m unworthy of voting for Joe Biden, like you did with Manwich in your little pit thread you were too cowardly to stay in once it backfired? You are vile, vindictive, toxic, probably racist and sexist, and just unpleasant. ---
**Author:** ![Unreconstructed\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@Unreconstructed\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unreconstructed_Man)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/128 "2020-04-16T18:20:13Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Pssst, Bernie still lost. Didn’t lose as hard as your corporate Ratboy crush Mayo Pete, shitcunt. Get fucked 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Unreconstructed\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@Unreconstructed\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unreconstructed_Man)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/129 "2020-04-16T18:24:52Z")
> [@Kent\_Clark](#): > > When it comes to the question of supporting a candidate with “a credible sexual assault allegation hanging over his head,” I’m more inclined to take my lead from Elizabeth Warren or Kamala Harris than someone who calls himself **Unreconstructed Man.** > > Oh, I forgot, [Warren isn’t a real progressive.](https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/15/bernie-left-divided-on-warren-for-vp-187113) Please don’t take my word for it. Have a read of [this](https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/04/evaluating-tara-reades-claims) article. It makes the case far better than I could. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/130 "2020-04-16T18:43:52Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > Didn’t lose as hard as your corporate Ratboy crush Mayo Pete, shitcunt. Get fucked 😃 Pssst, Pete won Iowa. Lost barely in NH but tied in delegates. Pete has a future, Bernie has a few more years ranting on an empty senate floor and grifting. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/131 "2020-04-16T18:46:15Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Oh, it has little to do with that. Your weird hatred of MLK. The assumption that every woman is a gold digger. Weird, irrational hatred of people who all generally happen to be black. As you can see, I generally am not calling the people who disagree with me and hate Bernie human garbage, you are uniquely so. > > Are you going to tell me, by the way, that I’m unworthy of voting for Joe Biden, like you did with Manwich in your little pit thread you were too cowardly to stay in once it backfired? > > You are vile, vindictive, toxic, probably racist and sexist, and just unpleasant. I assume you’re going to throw your vote away on a 3rd party. And you know as well as I do this board is fucked and was almost impossible to reach last weekend and timed out constantly. Not even gonna deal with your stupid claims of racism. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/132 "2020-04-16T18:51:34Z")
Your pit thread ran 2 pages during a time when the boards were working just fine. I was there to participate in it. It just blew up on you and you slinked away. Somehow you’re posting here, but apparently board problems are still keeping you from participating in that thread. I do intend to vote for Biden. Would you like to discourage me? Tell me I’m unworthy? Here’s your chance. If it’s okay for me to vote for Biden, why is it okay for me and not Manwich? ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/133 "2020-04-16T19:16:45Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Your pit thread ran 2 pages during a time when the boards were working just fine. I was there to participate in it. It just blew up on you and you slinked away. Somehow you’re posting here, but apparently board problems are still keeping you from participating in that thread. > > I do intend to vote for Biden. Would you like to discourage me? Tell me I’m unworthy? Here’s your chance. If it’s okay for me to vote for Biden, why is it okay for me and not Manwich? Manwich was pulling the ‘earn my vote’ crap which I detest and I didn’t want to get a warning with the strict guidelines now in Elections. And, if you notice, I wasn’t in any threads for about 2.5 days, most of the time I couldn’t even reach the boards without a timeout. Except for vacations, I don’t think I’ve gone 3 days without posting on here since 2004 and I’ve been ripped to shreds and torched in plenty of threads over the years. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/134 "2020-04-16T19:17:13Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Yes. I’m clearly talking about the double standard from democratic party establishment supporters. Bernie is bad because he’ll scare away old people, but Biden is never bad because he’ll scare away people who want some sort of progressive agenda. When the people who don’t like Bernie are scared away, that’s Bernie’s fault. But when the people who don’t like Biden are scared away, that’s their own fault. The concern and blame for scaring away voters only works in one direction. It’s not a double standard. It’s based on the numbers and in a democracy, the numbers are what matters. In 2016, sixty-three million people voted Republican and ninety-one thousand people voted Socialist. So like it or not, a Democratic nominee who can attract ten percent of Republican votes is more electable than a Democratic nominee who can attract one hundred percent of Socialist votes. You might feel there’s no difference between a Democratic nominee who can attract Republican votes and a Republican nominee. But I compare Bill Clinton and Barack Obama to George W. Bush and Donald Trump and I see significant differences. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/135 "2020-04-16T19:20:34Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > If it’s okay for me to vote for Biden, why is it okay for me and not Manwich? Because you live in the United States and Manwich lives in Japan. ---
**Author:** ![Unreconstructed\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@Unreconstructed\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unreconstructed_Man)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/136 "2020-04-16T19:23:00Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Pssst, Pete won Iowa. Lost barely in NH but tied in delegates. > > Pete has a future, Bernie has a few more years ranting on an empty senate floor and grifting. Oh, he won Iowa by 0.01% of a point? Wow! Holy shit. That changes…actually, nothing. Guess what, shithead? He _still_ lost harder than Sanders. Then he capitulated to the Biden Juggernaut the instant they dangled something shiny in front of his little rat face, proving that he’s just an empty suit with no principles who stands for nothing. He is, and always will be, fucking Ratboy. _That’s_ his future 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/137 "2020-04-16T19:34:26Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > It’s not a double standard. It’s based on the numbers and in a democracy, the numbers are what matters. In 2016, sixty-three million people voted Republican and ninety-one thousand people voted Socialist. So like it or not, a Democratic nominee who can attract ten percent of Republican votes is more electable than a Democratic nominee who can attract one hundred percent of Socialist votes. Okay, you’re missing my point. And using official “socialist” party numbers are ridiculous. Obviously Bernie’s support base is greater than people who officially vote for a “socialist” party, Bernie isn’t even socialist, and that data point makes no sense. But, to my greater point: Progressives are told “you have two choices, you have to grow up and make the right decision. You have to vote. You have to vote democrat. Doesn’t matter who. If you don’t, you’re voting for Trump” And if someone decides they don’t want to do that because they don’t support the democratic party or their candidate, they’re absolutely flamed for it. People go on a vitriolic diatribe about entitled unreasonable progressive voters demanding perfection, blah blah. People hate the people who wouldn’t vote for Biden. But those same people turn around and say “you can’t nominate Bernie, old democratic voters won’t vote for him!” and this is treated as normal, acceptable, and without vitriol, with no blame or hatred directed at the people who wouldn’t vote for Bernie. Why aren’t those old democratic voters scared for Bernie getting lectures about how we have to vote blue no matter who, that they supprot Trump if they won’t vote for Bernie in the general, and all that? Why aren’t they getting the same vitriol for being expected to refuse to vote for the candidate? If anyone says “if we nominate Biden, you’ll scare off progressives”, the response is “those fucking stupid ass Bernie bro entitled kids need to grow their ass up and realize that they have to vote blue no matter what or they love Trump”, if someone says “If we nominate Bernie, you’ll scare off the old democrats”, that’s just treated as reasonable, prudent, and the fault of Bernie and not the scared old democrats. In other words, progressives who doubt Biden are getting a completely different treatment than establishment democrats who doubt Bernie. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/138 "2020-04-16T19:47:26Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Okay, you’re missing my point. And using official “socialist” party numbers are ridiculous. Obviously Bernie’s support base is greater than people who officially vote for a “socialist” party, Bernie isn’t even socialist, and that data point makes no sense. > > But, to my greater point: Progressives are told “you have two choices, you have to grow up and make the right decision. You have to vote. You have to vote democrat. Doesn’t matter who. If you don’t, you’re voting for Trump” > > And if someone decides they don’t want to do that because they don’t support the democratic party or their candidate, they’re absolutely flamed for it. People go on a vitriolic diatribe about entitled unreasonable progressive voters demanding perfection, blah blah. People hate the people who wouldn’t vote for Biden. > > But those same people turn around and say “you can’t nominate Bernie, old democratic voters won’t vote for him!” and this is treated as normal, acceptable, and without vitriol, with no blame or hatred directed at the people who wouldn’t vote for Bernie. > > Why aren’t those old democratic voters scared for Bernie getting lectures about how we have to vote blue no matter who, that they supprot Trump if they won’t vote for Bernie in the general, and all that? Why aren’t they getting the same vitriol for being expected to refuse to vote for the candidate? > > If anyone says “if we nominate Biden, you’ll scare off progressives”, the response is “those fucking stupid ass Bernie bro entitled kids need to grow their ass up and realize that they have to vote blue no matter what or they love Trump”, if someone says “If we nominate Bernie, you’ll scare off the old democrats”, that’s just treated as reasonable, prudent, and the fault of Bernie and not the scared old democrats. > > In other words, progressives who doubt Biden are getting a completely different treatment than establishment democrats who doubt Bernie. Oh, maybe it has to do with shit this when Sanders spiked the football after Nevada. [https://twitter.com/berniesanders/status/1231021453270769664?s=21](https://twitter.com/berniesanders/status/1231021453270769664?s=21) The ‘Democratic establishment’ said, ‘Wanna bet?’ ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/139 "2020-04-16T19:54:55Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > Oh, he won Iowa by 0.01% of a point? Wow! Holy shit. That changes…actually, nothing. Guess what, shithead? He _still_ lost harder than Sanders. Then he capitulated to the Biden Juggernaut the instant they dangled something shiny in front of his little rat face, proving that he’s just an empty suit with no principles who stands for nothing. He is, and always will be, fucking Ratboy. _That’s_ his future 😃 Pete won Iowa and tied NH (I’m using that Bernie math, all the cool kids are doing so) Pete acted like an adult by withdrawing when he saw no path forward (mainly due to the Bloomberg money machine ahead) Let’s see, who didn’t quit when there was no path forward? Ah yes, Shitbag Sanders in 2016. Take it to the convention!!! Let’s flip those evil superdelegates!!! Bernie had no path forward in 2020 after his embarrassing Super Tuesday demolishment. But he continued on anyway getting humiliated by not winning a single county in Michigan, Florida or Missouri. Even Bernie Bro central in Seattle rejected him. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/140 "2020-04-16T19:55:03Z")
That’s a non-sequitor that doesn’t answer my question at all. It doesn’t explain why there’s a double standard in treatment, and even the sentiment you’re expressing is just a continuation of you being a vindictive little bitch. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820.md?page=8)