# "Let's lose with Joe!" what the 2020 campaign slogan should be **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 15, 2020, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820 "2020-04-15T03:58:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/161 "2020-04-16T21:48:43Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > But the reverse never happens. No one ever says “we can’t nominate Biden, he’ll alienate the progressive voters”, they say “fuck those stupid ass Bernie voters, they’re going to have to get over their purity contests and fall in line and vote for our candidate” Bullshit. I heard “Biden will alienate the progressive voters” all the damn time. Not from Biden supporters, obviously but the “Biden will keep all the enthusiastic young voters at home and lose” mantra was repeated by Sanders supporters _constantly_. And, of course, not one of those people ever spent a second conceding that Sanders had major issues in his own electability; it was just “Biden will lose the young voters and Sanders will get a kajillion new voters so if you vote for Biden, you’re just asking for Trump to win.” It didn’t help, of course, that it was Sanders supporters who were constantly pitching a fit and saying “I’ll NEVER vote blue no matter who; it’s Sanders or die so either vote for Sanders or be ready to lose all our votes” so, yeah, it was Sanders people who caught most of the “Get over yourself” responses. Had other candidates’ people been saying the same stuff, they would have also heard the same response. ---
**Author:** ![RealFDRdem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ac8455/32.png) [@RealFDRdem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealFDRdem)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/162 "2020-04-16T21:52:15Z")
We all know Biden is the nominee. If you live in even a potential swing state please vote for him. But if (when) he loses please take a long hard look in the mirror rather than trying to place blame elsewhere if you supported him in the primaries. Please! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/163 "2020-04-16T21:53:17Z")
> [@RealFDRdem](#): > > Right, because when 25 million people have lost their jobs in two weeks “corporatocracy” is overwhelmingly popular:smack: You know what is overwhelmingly popular? Getting back to something that resembles normal. You may scream for the rooftop that this is all evidence we NEED revolution (and actually could make good points Re: Universal Healthcare which would be very advantageous during the COVID-19 crisis) but you can also scream that people need to eat their veggies but that won’t stop them from wanting comfort food. Bernie’s policies are a gamble in the eyes of many who simply pine for the relative stability and prosperity of life under Obama. Ask the average voter if they want to trade it for a chance of something better and most are not willing to do so. Maybe they’re too scared, maybe they lack vision. The best thing to do then is to keep steps forward towards those goals, moving the Overton Window, as opposed to letting the least progressive candidates take a hundred steps back and cripple efforts at reaching those noble goals because THEY control who gets onto the courts and THEY control who draws the voting maps and THEY count the votes. You want to hand them the keys and you’re utterly shocked that they take off, spinning dirt in your face with their tires, and leave you there playing pocket pool on the side of the road. Shocked, you are. ---
**Author:** ![RealFDRdem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ac8455/32.png) [@RealFDRdem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealFDRdem)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/164 "2020-04-16T21:59:40Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > Dumb fucking reason but I expect that from this OP. > > If you want to get rid of the Electoral College, you want a popular vote to matter. So it’s really stupid to ensure that it doesn’t. > > Also, there’s a thing called a mandate: Absolutely blow away your opponent by millions and millions of votes and you not only win the office, it’s hard on the other side to stay the course. A blow out makes it a lot easier to ignore the policy ideas of your opponents. It also makes it harder for them to stay the course: Blowing out Trump makes it a lot more likely the GOP realize Trumpism was a mistake and stop being a party of irresponsible, anti-small-d-democratic racist shitheads and instead merely become an opposition party that has a semblance of sanity again. > > With your dumb protest vote, it won’t make the Democrats suddenly decide to get more progressive, and it will do nothing to make the Republicans less terrible. So I’m supposed to fall in line by helping bestow a mandate on a corporate-backed so-called moderate who has repeatedly said he wants to “reach across the aisle” to those same Republicans? No thanks… ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/165 "2020-04-16T22:03:31Z")
> [@RealFDRdem](#): > > We all know Biden is the nominee. If you live in even a potential swing state please vote for him. But if (when) he loses please take a long hard look in the mirror rather than trying to place blame elsewhere if you supported him in the primaries. Please! If Biden loses, it will not be because Bernie was the better choice but never got the nomination, anymore than any other Dem candidate in the 2020 field. The only candidate who could have won the nomination WON THE NOMINATION. Period. If Biden loses, it will be because the country largely prefers a corrupt lying sociopath. And if that is the case, St. Bernie was NEVER going to save you from le deluge. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/166 "2020-04-16T22:19:16Z")
Biden will not move the Overton window to the left. This is a guy who saw first hand the batshit Republican obstruction of Obama and yet thinks that if he gets elected Republicans will all be reasonable people and he’s looking forward to working with them. Thinking that makes him completely unsuitable to take on the Republicans and get the country moving in the right direction - if he even wanted to. Remember, Biden was VP because Obama thought it’d scare people left to have a conservative democrat VP. It was a necessary evil. Now we’re voting for that necessary evil, except in clear mental decline, without the good part of having Obama. Biden won’t ruin the country as fast as Trump, but he’s going to move it in the wrong direction. He’s likely to be a complete pushover to the Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/167 "2020-04-16T22:19:23Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I’ve decided to convert this thread into a Poll. Those who answer ‘No’ on Question 1 are ineligible to answer Questions 2 & 3. > > Question 1: Have you [watched this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoU1u4HoMjA)? > ⧠ Yes. > ⧠ Loved it! I skipped the first 90 seconds to get to the political message. > ⧠ Didn’t need to. Already caught the 2-minute excerpt on cable news. > ⧠ Of course not. My mind’s already made up. Yes. > [@](#): > > Question 2: Compare your credentials with the speaker in the video. > ⧠ It’s close, but the opinion of the 44th President of the United States is worthier than mine. > ⧠ I’m smarter than fatso on _The Young Turks_. Who’s this guy with the funny ears? > ⧠ That guy orchestrated the Massacre in Benghazi. I never did that. I find him convincing but he still had to do the convincing. I am not more impressed by him being the 44th President than by Trump being the 45th President. > [@](#): > > Question 3: Did the video change your mind about anything? > ⧠ I was already a strong Biden supporter. The video made me even more fervent. > ⧠ Obama, Trump, Biden — they’re all the same. I’m still planning to write-in Lady Gaga for President. > ⧠ Is this question a joke? Do you have a cite that anything posted at SDMB has ever changed anyone’s mind? I am more likely to help Joe because I am reminded that Joe is the spiritual successor to Obama. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/168 "2020-04-16T22:26:15Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > Those polls are Biden vs Bernie, not Biden vs Trump and Bernie vs Trump. > > And the biggest reason why Biden beats Bernie in those head-to-heads is because people think Biden is more “electable”. That is to say, group A supports Biden because they think group B supports him, and group B supports Biden because they think group A supports him. No-one particularly wants him on his merits, which is why he’ll run an anaemic campaign that won’t excite anyone, and that, in turn, is why he’s going to get steamrollered by Donald Trump. The week after Super Tuesday, Biden beats Trump by more in almost every swing state than Bernie in the polls. So I am not sure what your point is. It seems like the argument is that we could possibly win with Bernie although with a significantly slimmer margin of error than with Biden? If bernie cannot beat biden in the primary he has no choice in the general. NONE! He will not get any swing voters or crossover voters, he is capped with the votes he got during the primary. Biden simply outlasted every other challenger except bernie and Bernie couldn’t beat Biden. I was sort of hoping for Warren but c’est la vie, she couldn’t get enough support so we are going with biden. If bernie’s endorsement isn’t enough to convince people like you and decide not to vote, there is a good chance that people with your opinion were never going to vote anyways. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/169 "2020-04-16T22:26:33Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Here’s the thing. Let’s say, hypothetically, the democrats could find someone that’s just 1% better than Donald Trump. Easily the second worst possible president of the United States, but just a tiny bit better than Trump. Should we vote for that man enthusiastically? After all, he’s better than Trump. Yes we should, because we live in the real world. Sometimes in the real world you have to choose between getting the car fixed or going to the dentist. The ideal choice would be taking a vacation, but that doesn’t work, does it? > [@](#): > > And what if we did this for 10 elections in a row? They keep fielding a guy who is a bad candidate, who is a bad leader, and will take this country in the wrong direction, but he’ll take the country in the wrong direction slightly less than the other guy? Well, our chess move says that the guy who fucks things up a tiny bit less. > > So you can spend your life voting for the guy who’s the lesser of two evils, and consenting to your country being moved in the wrong direction your entire life, because you “have to” use your vote as a chess move at any time. Then I hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two evils because it is **LESS EVIL**. By the way, this is my 13th election, so I’ve held my nose a number of times. My first vote was 1972. The country is better now than it was in 1972. > [@](#): > > That gives the people who run the parties, the only people who really have control over what candidate they run, complete control over the direction of the country, and you’re playing into their exact goal and manipulation by continually voting for their chosen lesser of two evils candidate. They can make you move the country in a direction you hate every time, with a series of decisions that, in each one, the “responsible” thing is to vote for the lesser of two evils. And yet the overall result of this series of actions has been the result of evil your entire life. All this crap about the people who run the parties having absolute power might have made some sense in 1960, when LBJ thought he could engineer a back door coup and wrestle the Democratic nomination from JFK (BTW, he couldn’t) but this is 2020. Sanders had a level playing field, and plenty of campaign donations to take his message directly to voters. How’d that work out for him? Here are his wins 26.5% in Iowa 25.6% in New Hampshire 40.5% in Nevada 35.5% in California\* 36.8% in Colorado\* 35.3% in Utah\* And then his no asterik wins in North Dakota, Vermont, with Democrats Abroad, and the Northern Marianas. Taking a look at the math, it seems that Sanders received fewer votes in California in 2020 than in 2016. Colorado went from a closed caucus to an open primary, which complicates a comparison. Only in Utah did he actually increase his voter base. In total, Biden has gotten 10.7 million votes in 2020, while Sanders has 8 million. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/170 "2020-04-16T22:31:10Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > Jesus…_blacks only support him because they think whites’ll support him!_. If blacks and white liberals actually voted for who they fucking _WANTED_ rather than who they _think_ the other group will vote for we wouldn’t be in this mess. > > This is what happens when liberals try to be smart :rolleyes: So you’re saying that black people in south carolina saw bernie taking iowa and new hampshire (two of the whitest fucking states in the union) and saw biden taking 4th in iowa and 5th in new hampshire, black people thought that biden was the choice of wypipo so they just went along with it? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/171 "2020-04-16T22:33:32Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I have a suspicion that this “new poster” may not actually be a new poster. But it’s just a suspicion… anyone else share it? It ain’t me! I’m no senator’s son. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/172 "2020-04-16T22:34:05Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Biden will not move the Overton window to the left. This is a guy who saw first hand the batshit Republican obstruction of Obama and yet thinks that if he gets elected Republicans will all be reasonable people and he’s looking forward to working with them. Thinking that makes him completely unsuitable to take on the Republicans and get the country moving in the right direction - if he even wanted to. > > Remember, Biden was VP because Obama thought it’d scare people left to have a conservative democrat VP. It was a necessary evil. Now we’re voting for that necessary evil, except in clear mental decline, without the good part of having Obama. > > Biden won’t ruin the country as fast as Trump, but he’s going to move it in the wrong direction. He’s likely to be a complete pushover to the Republicans. You live in a reality of your own making. You think Obama picked Biden to scare people left? That doesn’t even make any sense. But say for a minute it does make sense in your world. Once Obama was done scaring people left after his first term, why did he need to continue to have Biden around? ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/173 "2020-04-16T22:37:32Z")
My top choices were Warren, Bennett, Harris, Klobucher, Booker, and Castro. All of them dropped out before I even had a chance to vote in the primaries (which aren’t for months now thanks to the pandemic and are now largely pointless for that race). If Bernie had won the nomination, I’d be voting for Bernie in November. He didn’t, so I’m voting for Biden. Would I rather be voting for one of my other choices? You damn betcha, but I’ll take what I can get to get Trump the fuck OUT and hopefully move the country at least a bit back to the left. Those of you still bitching about Bernie not being the choice of the party leadership for candidate are kindly invited to go fuck yourselves. He caucuses with the Democrats, but he is not and never has been a Democrat so expecting the party leaders to be happy about him crashing the primaries and supportive of his candidacy is idiocy. For those who plan a protest vote, I’d like you to think _very hard_ about the fact that several states in the last election were considered safe for Democrats and went for Trump because too many people “couldn’t vote for Trump but wouldn’t vote for Hillary”. Do you really want to risk his re-election because you’re butt-hurt that your preference didn’t make it through the candidate selection process? Even after the last 3 months? Are you fucking _insane_? As for the rest, if you’re not happy with the result of the candidate selection process, then get off your asses, join the Democratic party, and start working to change the process. Bitching about how it isn’t fair to poor put-upon Bernie is like the useless whinging of a four-year-old, and y’all are making me tired. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/174 "2020-04-16T22:41:30Z")
> [@RealFDRdem](#): > > Funny how back in 2016 all we heard when Bernie was thumping the Republicans in the polls all we heard was “Polling this far out from the general is meaningless, yada yada yada” but when Biden has a similar showing it’s “get in line lefties, obviously Biden has the best chance, he’s winning in the polls!!!”. Do you have a link to these polls where Bernie was doing better than Hillary in the swing states? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/175 "2020-04-16T22:43:21Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Here’s the thing. Let’s say, hypothetically, the democrats could find someone that’s just 1% better than Donald Trump. Easily the second worst possible president of the United States, but just a tiny bit better than Trump. Should we vote for that man enthusiastically? After all, he’s better than Trump. Let’s say, not at all hypothetically, that we have a system where candidates with different political ideas present their ideas to the public and then let the people decide which ideas and candidate they prefer. Okay, we get it; you don’t think Joe Biden is the best candidate. But a lot of other people don’t agree with you. More than the people who thought Bernie Sanders was the best candidate. So what exactly do you want? Do you want a system where we ignore what the votes say and just go ahead and nominate the candidate who’s “best”? And who exactly makes that decision? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/176 "2020-04-16T22:43:49Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > You live in a reality of your own making. You think Obama picked Biden to scare people left? Edit: Sorry, I completely misstated what I meant earlier and I don’t even know what word I brain farted and meant to substute. Please ignore the whole “scare people left” thing. I think Obama picked a conservative white generic democrat to reassure conservative democrats who were a little nervous about this uppity black man in the white house. But Biden was meant to be the opposite of Obama - conservative, safe, white, generic - to offset the change Obama seemed to represent. Now we’re getting the guy Obama picked to be his opposite - the drag on him to appease conservative voters - without the benefit of getting Obama. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/177 "2020-04-16T22:44:33Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I have a suspicion that this “new poster” may not actually be a new poster. But it’s just a suspicion… anyone else share it? Of course he is. New poster makes his first posts in the pit and drops right into the flow with no learning curve on the board’s cukture? Yeah, he’s a sock. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/178 "2020-04-16T22:45:33Z")
> [@RealFDRdem](#): > > That’s if one accepts the media narrative that Bernie is a radical, rather than someone who is more in the mold of FDR. The radicals are those that bend their knees to Goldman Sachs and money in general. I think the percentage of people in this country that “bend the knee” to money is pretty much everyone with a job. Very few people who go to work would continue to do so if they were not getting paid. We should ignore the radical left if they get too demanding. They clearly have no loyalty and can only be counted on if we “bend the knee” to them. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/179 "2020-04-16T22:47:06Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Weird because ideologically Biden is a Clinton clone. > > He doesn’t have the built in hatred because he isn’t a woman. Right because that’s the only reason to dislike Hillary. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820/180 "2020-04-16T22:50:19Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > It’s a touch weird, isn’t it, that when people talk about Sanders winning, they talk about all the voters he’d scare away, as if they were victims or reasonably cautious. But when Biden is selected, then no one is talking about the downside of the voters he might scare away. Instead, the narrative is more like “those selfish asshole Trump-supporting Bernie traitors that won’t vote for our guy” > > Why is it that the prospect of Bernie scaring off voters is viewed as a Bernie problem, but Biden scaring off voters is, well, also viewed as a Bernie problem, or a problem with those voters? Who is biden scaring off? All those young folks who didn’t show up to vote for bernie? People that refused to vote for hillary the last time around? Who? And why should we bother chasing their vote? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-lose-with-joe-what-the-2020-campaign-slogan-should-be/851820.md?page=10)