# Lets make it simple Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 15, 2015, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617 "2015-06-15T21:27:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Mr\_Quatro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bc8723/32.png) [@Mr\_Quatro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Quatro)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/1 "2015-06-15T21:27:53Z")
Sounds easy right? At this time Hillary is 47% Bush 44% in the early polls as reported on ABC GMA this morning. [http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/poll-hillary-clinton-weakens-trustworthiness-jeb-bush-slides/story?id=31454068](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/poll-hillary-clinton-weakens-trustworthiness-jeb-bush-slides/story?id=31454068) > [@](#): > > Indeed, while Bush has lost ground in the contest for the GOP nomination, Clinton does less well against him in a head-to-head matchup. The gap between them has closed from 12 points to three – 47-44 percent, Clinton-Bush, among registered voters, vs. 53-41 percent two months ago. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/2 "2015-06-15T23:01:39Z")
Well, 90-10% in the early SDMB voting. Not exactly a thundering shock, I’ll wager. ---
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/3 "2015-06-16T00:27:44Z")
This poll will close on 10-27-2016 at 05:30 PM I’ll answer sometime between now and then. Maybe after the conventions are complete next year and we know if either pulled a Palin for VP choice. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/4 "2015-06-16T01:55:21Z")
BTW, ABC polling was not very good in the previous election, when compared with other polls it is Ron Paul who is doing better against Clinton, but still a few points behind. (June 15) [http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016\_presidential\_race.html](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html) Bush is also helped a lot with an outlier FOX poll. If it was not for that Bush would be less than 5 points below Clinton that is +5.2 in the aggregate. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/5 "2015-06-16T02:15:19Z")
I’m actually surprised the results are that strongly one-sided. Happy, gratified, delighted, and in full approval. But surprised. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/6 "2015-06-16T02:20:36Z")
Neither. I hate it when people buy into the deliberately propagated lie that the Democrats and the Republicans are the only options, so being slightly less terrible than one particular candidate is a good enough reason to vote for them. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/7 "2015-06-16T02:58:34Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > I’m actually surprised the results are that strongly one-sided. > > Happy, gratified, delighted, and in full approval. But surprised. Why? Most SDMB posters are liberal. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/8 "2015-06-16T02:59:40Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > Neither. I hate it when people buy into the deliberately propagated lie that the Democrats and the Republicans are the only options, so being slightly less terrible than one particular candidate is a good enough reason to vote for them. The Democrats and Republicans are the only realistically-likely-to-win options. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/9 "2015-06-16T03:35:21Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > The Democrats and Republicans are the only realistically-likely-to-win options. Your logic is arse-backwards. You do not vote for people because they are likely to win, people are likely to win because you vote for them. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/10 "2015-06-16T03:47:45Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > Neither. I hate it when people buy into the deliberately propagated lie that the Democrats and the Republicans are the only options, so being slightly less terrible than one particular candidate is a good enough reason to vote for them. It’s not a lie; it’s a reality of demographics. Come back when you actually have a third party with a chance of winning. You can realistically claim that it’s a limitation, a shame, a sin, a strait-jacket, and the denial of opportunities and rights. But it is not a “lie.” The word is simply not applicable. > [@Velocity](#): > > Why? Most SDMB posters are liberal. Sure, I knew that. I just didn’t know that the proportions were as strongly one-sided as they are. From discussion and debate threads, I would have thought it was something like 60-40 or maybe 65-35. 90-10? Wow! ETA; the numbers have changed since I looked: now, they’re more like 85-15. Not as one-sided as they were, but still more than I ever would have guessed. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/11 "2015-06-16T03:51:10Z")
I had to think twice about whether the poll was asking which one you’d **want** to win or which one you’d **expect** to win, and even so I’m not sure I’m interpreting it correctly. ---
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/12 "2015-06-16T06:21:35Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > I had to think twice about whether the poll was asking which one you’d **want** to win or which one you’d **expect** to win, I didn’t think twice once I opened the thread and saw more than the title. I read it entirely as about expectation. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/13 "2015-06-16T07:02:26Z")
I curious to see how Jeb’s strategy of distancing himself from his own last name is going to work with the family values crowd. I somehow get the sense that this strategy is going to bite him in the ass. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/14 "2015-06-16T10:51:05Z")
Didn’t Jeb’s Mom say, when asked, last election cycle, something to the effect of there having been enough ‘Bush’s’ in the White House already. And it was time for someone else. I seem to recall this. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/15 "2015-06-16T11:04:47Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > Didn’t Jeb’s Mom say, when asked, last election cycle, something to the effect of there having been enough ‘Bush’s’ in the White House already. And it was time for someone else. > > I seem to recall this. Yes, but she also recanted those words of course. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/16 "2015-06-16T11:18:28Z")
How’d that go? “I was only joking?”, “I didn’t really mean it!” “Oops, I forgot about Jeb’s.” ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/17 "2015-06-16T12:03:33Z")
Look at the electoral map from last time. Show me states Obama carried that Hillary won’t. I’m not seeing them. [You can pretty much color these states in right now,](http://www.270towin.com/2016_election_predictions.php?mapid=bLBW) and I think that is being charitable to Jeb. I’m just not seeing the path to a Republican president. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/18 "2015-06-16T12:17:09Z")
Only one needs a quarter to go downtown and have a rat gnaw that mole off his face. And I like my quarter. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/19 "2015-06-16T13:14:29Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > I’m actually surprised the results are that strongly one-sided. > > Happy, gratified, delighted, and in full approval. But surprised. The poll is who people THINK will win, not who people WANT to win. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/20 "2015-06-16T13:19:54Z")
Hillary gets my vote here - but Martin O’Malley does IRL. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617.md?page=2)