# Lets make it simple Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 15, 2015, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617 "2015-06-15T21:27:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/21 "2015-06-16T14:01:15Z")
> [@Count\_Blucher](#): > > Only one needs a quarter to go downtown and have a rat gnaw that mole off his face. > > And I like my quarter. Is that a mole? I saw him on tv at the bar (no sound) and I googled “jeb bush face thing” and only got results about the things jeb faced in politics. Is he the Aaron Neville of politics? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/22 "2015-06-16T14:26:41Z")
> [@Shakes](#): > > I curious to see how Jeb’s strategy of distancing himself from his own last name is going to work with the family values crowd. > > I somehow get the sense that this strategy is going to bite him in the ass. Why would the “family values crowd”, as you call them, vote for Hillary over Jeb? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/23 "2015-06-16T14:30:04Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > Didn’t Jeb’s Mom say, when asked, last election cycle, something to the effect of there having been enough ‘Bush’s’ in the White House already. And it was time for someone else. > > I seem to recall this. > [@Shakes](#): > > Yes, but she also recanted those words of course. Also, it’s possible that she was channeling some douchebag [YAF](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Americans_for_Freedom) fratboy, and talking about Hillary… ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/24 "2015-06-16T14:30:27Z")
I don’t know who would win IRL. On the SDMB, the Dems could run an incontinent hobo and get 75+%, but the SDMB is only tangentially related to real life. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/25 "2015-06-16T15:09:43Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I don’t know who would win IRL. > > On the SDMB, the Dems could run an incontinent hobo and get 75+%, but the SDMB is only tangentially related to real life. > > Regards, > Shodan Which Republican is this incontinent hobo running against? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/26 "2015-06-16T15:18:16Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > I hate it when people buy into the deliberately propagated lie that the Democrats and the Republicans are the only options . . . It might be an objectionable state of affairs, but it’s no lie. Just ask Pat Buchanan and Ralph Nader and Ross Perot . . assuming they’re not too dumb to have learned from experience. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/27 "2015-06-16T15:20:28Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Why would the “family values crowd”, as you call them, vote for Hillary over Jeb? They wouldn’t, but they might stay home on e-day if the Pub nominee does not excite them. ---
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/28 "2015-06-16T15:46:29Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > It might be an objectionable state of affairs, but it’s no lie. Just ask Pat Buchanan and Ralph Nader and Ross Perot . . assuming they’re not too dumb to have learned from experience. After the debacle that was the W. administration I’m sure Nader wished he’d just stayed home. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/29 "2015-06-16T15:56:36Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > They wouldn’t, but they might stay home on e-day if the Pub nominee does not excite them. Republicans are pretty reliable voters. It’s the Democrats who have to worry about turn out. I’m not seeing the “family values” things as being any kind of issue Jeb needs to worry about. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/30 "2015-06-16T15:59:27Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > They wouldn’t, but they might stay home on e-day if the Pub nominee does not excite them. More significantly IMHO, if the GOP nominee is someone who leaves them cold, they are a lot less likely to volunteer, badger friends and acquaintances into voting, and so forth. This almost happened to John McCain in 2008, but then he chose Caribou Barbie as his running mate, and the base got all excited again. I’m sure something similar could happen this time - Jeb could choose Cruz or Huckabee as his running mate to keep the church wingnuts involved. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/31 "2015-06-16T16:02:21Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Which Republican is this incontinent hobo running against? Any. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/32 "2015-06-16T16:28:16Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Any. > > Regards, > Shodan I would vote for Incontinent Hobo over some Republicans (Palin, Cruz, come to mind), but not all. I might prefer Bush or Paul to our Hobo. ---
**Author:** ![SmartAlecCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SmartAlecCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAlecCat)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/33 "2015-06-16T16:49:26Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Which Republican is this incontinent hobo running against? > [@Shodan](#): > > Any. > > Regards, > Shodan Say Jon Huntsman, for example. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/34 "2015-06-16T16:55:07Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Which Republican is this incontinent hobo running against? That’s not a nice thing to say about John McCain. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/35 "2015-06-16T17:02:16Z")
This is a great country, and the doors of political opportunity should be open to all. I say it’s high time we had an incontinent hobo in the White House. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Quatro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bc8723/32.png) [@Mr\_Quatro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Quatro)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/36 "2015-06-16T17:03:02Z")
It’s not over till the fat lady sings, right 😃 Good grief Bush isn’t even getting 10% of ya’ll on his side Perhaps some of you will change your minds in the next 16 1/2 months lot of land mines out there to step on yet. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/37 "2015-06-16T17:06:00Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > I say it’s high time we had an incontinent hobo in the White House. We did. His wife’s astrologer ended up running the government. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/38 "2015-06-16T17:19:56Z")
> [@Mr\_Quatro](#): > > It’s not over till the fat lady sings, right 😃 > > Good grief Bush isn’t even getting 10% of ya’ll on his side > > Perhaps some of you will change your minds in the next 16 1/2 months > lot of land mines out there to step on yet. You do realize that you asked people who they thought would win, not who they wanted to win, right? ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Quatro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bc8723/32.png) [@Mr\_Quatro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Quatro)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/39 "2015-06-16T17:51:49Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > You do realize that you asked people who they thought would win, not who they wanted to win, right? Sounds like a left brain vs right brain thing If I want a seven to come up at the crap table then I set my brain for a seven to come up 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617/40 "2015-06-16T18:03:54Z")
I no longer see the point of voting for the person rather than the party, and I think anyone who is against what the Republican party stands for tends to agree. Among the rest, there will be a significant push towards electing the first female president. And at least half of the people looking for a “moderate” will choose Clinton, even if Jeb runs as a moderate, too. Combined, I think that will be enough, even with the lower excitement about Clinton herself as a person. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-make-it-simple-hillary-clinton-or-jeb-bush/722617.md?page=3)