# Lets not pardon the French? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 24, 2003, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-not-pardon-the-french/190703 "2003-07-24T20:07:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Roger\_Mexico](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f6c823/32.png) [@Roger\_Mexico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roger_Mexico)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2003, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-not-pardon-the-french/190703/41 "2003-08-04T06:37:27Z")
And let’s give back that filthy Statue of Liberty, too! We sure don’t need it anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Abe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f1d935/32.png) [@Abe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2003, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-not-pardon-the-french/190703/42 "2003-08-05T07:07:40Z")
A fascinating example of Jewish/American bigotry, if you ask me. And, since you will note I am not Julia Gorin, it would be better if no one falsely assumes that my statement means that Jews/Americans on the whole are bigots. (I gather that the cheap demagogue in question is an American Jew, by the way, I could certainly be mistaken). It would be amusing to see FOX print crap like this targeting Israel or Mexico or African Americans or Japan. Can you imagine the outrage, the frenzied screams of rage and denouncements from various organizations? It’s well known in the communications industry that FOX sets itself amazingly low standards, but this latest sally against the French is low even for them: it’s ideologically motivated, confirmation bias-ridden propaganda designed to instil a sense of vindication and superiority in the American people at the expense of and over the French, those cultured and breasts-baring (thank god for South Europe) people whose politicians dared assume a principled stand when Blair and Bush resorted to alarmism and exaggeration in order to pursue their war. And that’s why this piece was written, and why it’s OK to dish it out to the French. Julia Gorin ought to be ashamed of herself. She probably needs to get laid and loosen up a little bit, cut down on the bitchy busybody act and maybe go back to school or something. By the way, **December** : > [@](#): > > The article makes a claim that French culture connoisseurship is a cloak for depravity, that is moral corruption or degradation. It may be an interesting question to ask if there were any evidence that depravity and moral corruption or degradation are significant factors of French life/culture. However I’m going to have to ask for a more effective indictment than Gorin’s lame, half-envious reference to one cock-hungry author describing how she went about getting what she craved one fine day. > [@](#): > > Another thread here looks at the question of how the very cultured Germans, with Beethoven, Goethe, Schhiller, etc., could turn to Nazism. Cultured people in many countries embraced Stalinism. Yes, and many _didn’t_. I haven’t seen the thread you mention, but my guess is that it’s a matter of 1) apples and oranges, 2) excessively broad and often artificial parameters, 3) seriously confused thinking. Tall white people have a tendency for slavery, did you know? You didn’t? But, but, just look at American and Dutch history. The Japanese are really disgusting and depraved, evidence for this can be found in their scat porn industry. It’s well known that people involved in the Arts are ruthless and evil; just look at Kim Jong Il and North Korea. etc. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2003, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-not-pardon-the-french/190703/43 "2003-08-05T18:25:02Z")
\*\* > [@](#): > > Lets not pardon the French?\*\* For what? They weren’t the ones that launched an invasion based on lies and misrepresentations – in fact, they were the leading voice of sanity opposing this whole mess. Seems to me the _opposite_ holds true. America owes _France_ an apology for all the gratuitous bashing. Fat chance of that happening of course, what with the jingoistic Neanderthals currently in charge of US fortunes. ---
**Author:** ![benthames](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/58f4c7/32.png) [@benthames](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/benthames)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2003, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-not-pardon-the-french/190703/44 "2003-08-06T04:03:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by New Iskander \* > \*\*benthames, > > Lafayette is indeed buried in American soil, > [but in France](http://www.pbs.org/ktca/liberty/chronicle/lafayette.html). \*\* Well, stick my finger in an outlet and call me shocked. I swore he was buried here. Thanks for the heads up. You learn something every day. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-not-pardon-the-french/190703.md?page=2)