# Let's Pit the DEA...one more time. (RO) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 2, 2012, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654 "2012-05-02T16:32:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/81 "2012-05-03T17:02:38Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > Sure, making this dipshit a multi-millionaire will fix everything. Well, he deserves to be compensated for four days of thinking he was going to die in there. Not sure what a fair number is, but it’s more than $10,000. The amount they put in the claim is just a cap, to give the government some idea of what is at stake. It’s a silly requirement, as there is no downside to simply putting $100 million (or $20 million) in every claim. My guess is he’d get less from a jury, and would settle for less in they offer something substantial. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/82 "2012-05-03T17:11:17Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > Sure, making this dipshit a multi-millionaire will fix everything. What would you suggest? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/83 "2012-05-03T17:14:50Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Just curious: are you still comfortable with the inferences you’ve drawn? Apparently (inferring from the posts) the answer is yes. If there’s a protracted discussion about the laws of physics, handcuffs, impossibility of scratching yourself, and paper towel rolls, I’m out of here. ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/84 "2012-05-03T17:15:18Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > What would you suggest? Allowing Mr. Chong to absorb the lessons he learned in his five-day master class upon the maxim “I fought the law and the law won.” ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/85 "2012-05-03T17:22:41Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > What would you suggest? A thorough investigation leading to disciplinary action and system reforms, if it is determined they are necessary. Throwing millions of taxpayer dollars at a criminal loser will accomplish nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/86 "2012-05-03T17:26:46Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Apparently (inferring from the posts) the answer is yes. > > If there’s a protracted discussion about the laws of physics, handcuffs, impossibility of scratching yourself, and paper towel rolls, I’m out of here. Worried poor Mr. Chong’s allegations won’t stand up to scrutiny? ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/87 "2012-05-03T17:27:16Z")
> [@Sailboat](#): > > My sister went to the university health clinic sick with flu, and they sent her into an examination room to wait until someone could see her, then forgot her, locked the door and went home for the weekend. She spent the _entire weekend_ locked in the examination room with the flu. Quarantine? ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/88 "2012-05-03T17:30:35Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > Ahem … You rubes will believe anything it seems. Let’s consult the record, shall we? > > [http://www.cbs8.com/story/18025968/suspect-forgotten-in-holding-cell-for-days](http://www.cbs8.com/story/18025968/suspect-forgotten-in-holding-cell-for-days) (hereinafter, “CBS-8”) > [http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/DEA-Detainee-Found-White-Powdery-Substance-in-Cell-149596435.html](http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/DEA-Detainee-Found-White-Powdery-Substance-in-Cell-149596435.html) (hereinafter, “NBC-SD May 1”) > (Emphasis added in each quote.) > > This was no pot-smoking party at Alpha Delt. This was a criminal syndicate. > > [DEA Ignored All My Cries: Student – NBC 7 San Diego](http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/daniel-chong-ucsd-san-diego-dea-149758275.html) (hereinafter, “NBC-SD May 2”) > He became oppositional and thought he was going to teach the DEA a lesson by refusing to leave. The DEA ignored him. The cops don’t owe you three hots and cot when they tell you that you’re free to go. And they are not obligated to remove you bodily from the premises; they can just disregard you until you decide to buzz off. > > NBC-SD May 2 continues: > Speaks for itself, no? > > By the way, NBC-SD May 1 tells us: > Chong smuggled in the contraband, which was not detected because the mean old DEA figured a strip search could be dispensed with. Since we have lately argued about the indignity of strip searches, it’s hard to hold this against the DEA, isn’t it? > > By the by, someone up thread claimed that this link, [Discovery Hub - News & Technology](http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20120502/US.Suspect.Forgotten/?cid=hero_media), (hereinafter, “Comcast”) contains a report of the DEA admitted they left methamphetamine in the cell. I see no such account of how it got. This meth just materialized, it seems, in the cell of a person recently picked up on drug raid at a location with a truly prodigious amount of controlled substances. > > It also seems that Chong isn’t certain why he took the meth. He told Comcast he needed it survive. But he told CBS-8 he took it to stay awake. (How did he know it would keep him awake? How did he know it wasn’t, say, rat poison?) > > Further acting out was reported by NBC-SD May 2: > In an instant, the DEA repented of their mistreatment (NBC-SD May 2): > So, the DEA wanted to abuse him, until they changed their minds, I guess. > > But, **Kimmy G** , why would he make all this up? > > (NBC-SD May 2) > > Gosh, your guess is as good as mine! I’m pretty dumb. But it’s good to know that I am not the dumbest person on the internet. Thanks Kimmy. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/89 "2012-05-03T17:41:27Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > Throwing millions of taxpayer dollars at a criminal loser will accomplish nothing. Well, technically, losing a lawsuit is not so much throwing money at someone, as they are dragging it out of you. It is not optional. ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/90 "2012-05-03T17:45:11Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > I particularly find his ability to scratch letters into his arm while cuffed to strain credulity. Perhaps he is a contortionist too. Never been handcuffed? Or handcuffed someone (i’ve done both). If it’s the common, non-hinged kind of cuffs (the ones with a chain) then they pivot so you can have your hands either both going the same direction, or opposite directions at will. So with your hands going the opposite direction each hand has access to the opposing arm. It doesn’t take a contortionist, just a normal person. Photo found on the web [http://joelgordon.photoshelter.com/image/I0000OQ1Xk5VC5XU](http://joelgordon.photoshelter.com/image/I0000OQ1Xk5VC5XU) Note to self: Don’t search for “handcuffed” on google images with safe search turned off. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/91 "2012-05-03T18:09:55Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > A thorough investigation leading to disciplinary action and system reforms, if it is determined they are necessary. > > Throwing millions of taxpayer dollars at a criminal loser will accomplish nothing. Jesus Titty-Fucking Christ, they almost killed him! He wasn’t even accused of anything, let alone convicted. I don’t give a fuck if you’re caught selling crack to the mayor’s daughter, you don’t deserve to be thrown in a cell without food and water for four days. He has a basic human right to be treated humanely while imprisoned, since the DEA violated that right then they need to make him whole. And if that offends your holier than thou morals, too fucking bad! Grow up! ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/92 "2012-05-03T18:10:51Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > Worried poor Mr. Chong’s allegations won’t stand up to scrutiny? Not really. The DEA is, at their own word, reviewing exactly what happened. I’m trying to figure out where the idea that his allegations are even controversial is coming from. Nobody’s claiming Chong is a saint, but painting him as some kind of mastermind behind a plot to … I’m not sure boggles the mind. Especially since the DEA, at their own word, released the guy and never charged him with anything. ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/93 "2012-05-03T18:21:36Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > you don’t deserve to be thrown in a cell without food and water for four days. Five, sir. (According to the things I’ve been seeing on CNN). ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/94 "2012-05-03T18:24:13Z")
> [@Sailboat](#): > > Five, sir. (According to the things I’ve been seeing on CNN). Sorry about the error. Multiply my outrage by 5/4. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/95 "2012-05-03T18:29:32Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > You didn’t even read the Op’s cite: > _"He said agents questioned him, and then told him he could go home. One agent even offered him a ride, Chong said. No criminal charges were filed against him._ You didn’t read anything, or you would know that no story has ever said he was free to go. In fact, today the AP is reporting: [ > [@](#): > > After questioning him, federal agents told the college student swept up in a drug raid to hang tight in the holding cell while they finished the paperwork to release him. ]([http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US\_SUSPECT\_FORGOTTEN?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-05-03-14-02-47](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SUSPECT_FORGOTTEN?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-05-03-14-02-47)) He was never “free to go”, as you claimed. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/96 "2012-05-03T18:33:15Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > I think it was pretty obvious that I was drawing inferences on the basis of cited facts. Except you had no facts that backed up any of your “inferences”. You should have just said “Nothing I wrote was intended to be a factual statement.” > [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > This is an ordinary task of fact-finders, such as a jury. Most situations requiring adjudication typically involve the need to do so. So you think your “inferences” were reasonable? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/97 "2012-05-03T18:37:44Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > They never said, “the events occurred as Chong described them.” > > They did screw up. In an abundance of caution, they should have dropped him off at UCSD Hospital’s psych ward and said, “He’s your problem now,” **although frankly, this was voluntary oppositional conduct** , not a mental health decompensation. Wow. You’re still making this claim? Based on what information? So far you’ve presented nothing to back this up. > [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > Which is a shame, because you can’t drop off every misbehaving prisoner at the psych ward (shrinks cost a whole lot more than guards) and prisoners are given to acting out. So, instead, they’ll settle and running prisons (which we do need, however distasteful we find them) will become, structurally, even more expensive, as the cuttoff between “let him cry it out” versus “off to the psych ward” inches ever closer to typical misbehavior. Twice in one post you make the claim that this was deliberate behavior on the part of Chong. You ascribe fault to him for his being locked in that cell, but thus far you have shown us no information that would allow anyone to reasonably conclude that your version of events is anything close to an accurate description of reality. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/98 "2012-05-03T18:40:22Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > A thorough investigation leading to disciplinary action and system reforms, if it is determined they are necessary. > > Throwing millions of taxpayer dollars at a criminal loser will accomplish nothing. ….and you evidence for Mr. Chong being a criminal is…? What crimes has he been convicted of? I presume you have a similar set of facts that show he is a “loser”; i.e. none at all. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/99 "2012-05-03T18:41:21Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > I’m pretty dumb. But it’s good to know that I am not the dumbest person on the internet. Thanks Kimmy. I’ve got nothing whatsoever at stake here, but having read **Kimmy Gibbler** ’s utterly absurd claims regarding this case, if he/she actually is an attorney, I wouldn’t hire him/her as my advocate at any price. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/100 "2012-05-03T18:43:14Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Also, I’m looking forward to people now telling me I’m only tolerated. I know. That’s because I stand up for people, and sometimes that hurts the bullies’ widdle feelings. No, you’re not “only tolerated”, you’re held in a vague “Wait…hasn’t he been banned yet?” sort of contempt. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654.md?page=6)