# Let's Pit the DEA...one more time. (RO) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 2, 2012, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654 "2012-05-02T16:32:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/141 "2012-05-04T11:36:58Z")
Ahhh, the old “I’m the all star high poster in this thread but you all are getting too riled up” chestnut. And also the “this is the Internet not real life, y so srs?” ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/142 "2012-05-04T12:53:25Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Weeeeell don’t forget about Dr. Deth. Give credit for being an idiot to all those who deserve it, otherwise all that hard work earning the title of “Laughing Stock” just won’t be worth it. He _was_ free to go. Even he sez so. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/143 "2012-05-04T12:58:04Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > What inferences can be drawn from the fact that Chong was picked up at a house where 18,000 ecstasy pills were found (street value of approximate $200 thousand), several firearms, and thousands of rounds of ammunition? Are firearms and ammunition now illegal? Does this not mean he is a patriot? Or does that only apply to old, white Republicans? ---
**Author:** ![Jenaroph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/144 "2012-05-04T13:00:59Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > He _was_ free to go. Even he sez so. “You’re free to go. We’ll just finish up your paperwork and let you out of here.” Nobody ever comes back to let him out. **days pass** ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/145 "2012-05-04T13:15:15Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > My surmise is that after he was released, he refused to leave and skilled about and went into a room that he didn’t realize would lock behind him. Alternatively, that he was intoxicated and the DEA allowed him to remain in the cell, but did not prevent him from leaving. Either eventuality would represent a very different situation from that alleged by Chong. > > Is it your theory that the DEA maliciously locked him away for five days? Some have suggested incompetence, but Chong’s allegations include that he heard people passing by his cell. So how does that square with being overlooked? Do you really think a guy who was high on meth could skulk through a federal law enforcement office _and reach the prisoner holding area_ without anyone noticing? That, I think, might be an even more disturbing proposition: that security in DEA facilities is so lax that a stoner could break in, _Harold & Kumar_ style. I get that Chong probably isn’t the innocent angel who was in the wrong place at the wrong time that he makes himself out to be, but there is absolutely no evidence that he wasn’t accidentally locked up for three days. I don’t know if the DEA was being incompetent or malicious. I’m guessing the former; as you mentioned earlier in the thread, prisoners whine about things all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/146 "2012-05-04T13:48:20Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > He _was_ free to go. Even he sez so. Right. So instead of leaving he locked himself in the holding cell? Not only is that a ridiculous idea on its face but the fact you and **Kimmy** believe it shows what a couple of blithering idiots you are. :: points and laughs :: ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/147 "2012-05-04T14:29:15Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > They sent him to the hospital, and paid for the trip besides–This much is true. I even cited it as evidence for their good faith in this whole ordeal; something that militates against the contention that the DEA had nefarious intent. Could you please link to the post where anybody contended that the DEA had acted with nefarious intent? Most of what I’ve been reading in this thread has been about the DEA being gormless. ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/148 "2012-05-04T15:27:46Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > He _was_ free to go. Even he sez so. Well, that saved me the trip at least. No, they told him he could go as soon as they finished the paperwork. > [@Associated Press](#): > > Chong was swept up in a drug raid on April 21. After questioning him, agents told him that he would not be charged and to hang tight in the holding cell until they finished the paperwork to release him. The door did not reopen until April 25 when agents found a severely dehydrated Chong covered in his own feces. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/149 "2012-05-04T15:58:11Z")
The most hilarious thing about Kimmy and Dr Deth’s blathering is that the facts aren’t in dispute. The DEA admits they fucked up. There’s no difference between the DEA’s account and Mr. Chong’s. ---
**Author:** ![mister\_nyx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@mister\_nyx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mister_nyx)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/150 "2012-05-04T16:24:16Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > They sent him to the hospital, and paid for the trip besides–This much is true. I even cited it as evidence for their good faith in this whole ordeal; something that militates against the contention that the DEA had nefarious intent. You’re taking the fact that they payed for the medical care necessary after what they did to him as proof of their good faith? Oh, what a crazy little nutcase you are. I bet you also have fascinating ideas about who was responsible for 9/11 and where the president was born. [QUOTE=Kimmy\_Gibbler] Now I’d like to pose some questions to Chong’s supporters: What inferences can be drawn from the fact that Chong was picked up at a house where 18,000 ecstasy pills were found (street value of approximate $200 thousand), several firearms, and thousands of rounds of ammunition? What does Chong’s testing positive for methamphetamine at the hospital suggest? What does Chong’s conflicting statements as to the reasons why he took the methamphetamine suggest as to his credibility? In particular, does his statement that he took this unknown substance to stay awake suggest that he was aware that it was methamphetamine, and would such knowledge undercut his statement that this substance was just something he found in the cell and rather suggest that he brought it in with him? [/QUOTE] None of those questions have any relevance as to the matter at hand. The kid obviously uses drugs, and may be a dealer. So? [QUOTE=Kimmy\_Gibbler] If he brought it in with him, it means he lied about having found it in the cell, no? And telling a lie about that might suggest he’s telling other lies too, right? [/QUOTE] So? Who cares? He can lie all he wants to. You’d still have to be a lunatic to contend that he voluntarily hung out in a room and drank his piss for days until his kidneys failed when he didn’t have to. So whatever else the kid may have lied about isn’t really relevant. [QUOTE=Kimmy\_Gibbler] Do whatever you want, Kolak, I’ve got my own life to live. I don’t need to live yours. If being angry on the internet floats your boat, have at it. But I hope you’ll understand if I find other things to do. [/QUOTE] Oh, the nutbag bailed. I guess she eventually figured out there was no defense for her nutbaggery. I hope everyone remembers to bring this up again when she shows up next. [QUOTE=DrDeth] He was free to go. Even he sez so. [/QUOTE] Next are you going to explain to us about what REALLY happened during the Holocaust? [QUOTE=Larry Borgia] The most hilarious thing about Kimmy and Dr Deth’s blathering is that the facts aren’t in dispute. The DEA admits they fucked up. There’s no difference between the DEA’s account and Mr. Chong’s. [/QUOTE] It illustrates that there is never a shortage of nutbag conspiracy theorists, though. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/151 "2012-05-04T16:41:09Z")
> [@mister\_nyx](#): > > You’re taking the fact that they payed for the medical care necessary after what they did to him as proof of their good faith? > > Oh, what a crazy little nutcase you are. I bet you also have fascinating ideas about who was responsible for 9/11 and where the president was born. No, he’s perfectly sane. I have no idea how this particular bee got in his bonnet, but as far as I can recall there aren’t any others like it in there. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/152 "2012-05-04T17:32:31Z")
Close friends or family in the DEA, maybe? Cognitive dissonance that severe suggests some sort of personal investment. ---
**Author:** ![Heart\_of\_Dorkness](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/4bbf92/32.png) [@Heart\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heart_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/153 "2012-05-04T17:44:12Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > No, he’s perfectly sane. I have no idea how this particular bee got in his bonnet, but as far as I can recall there aren’t any others like it in there. Maybe he was trying to pull an SA for shits and giggles, just to see how long he could keep everyone going, and then discovered it’s exhausting and not at all fun when you’re not _actually_ crazy. That’s my hope, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/154 "2012-05-04T18:09:32Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Close friends or family in the DEA, maybe? Cognitive dissonance that severe suggests some sort of personal investment. There is a contingent here for whom it appears to be an article of faith that law enforcement can do no wrong, and that if law enforcement appears to be in the wrong there _must_ be something we don’t know that justifies it. Then they proceed to make up extenuating circumstances and attack the character of the victim to try to justify the wrongdoing. I had not previously noted **Kimmy** as being part of that group, but this thread certainly points that way. ---
**Author:** ![mister\_nyx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@mister\_nyx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mister_nyx)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/155 "2012-05-04T18:52:14Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > No, he’s perfectly sane. I have no idea how this particular bee got in his bonnet, but as far as I can recall there aren’t any others like it in there. This thread suggests very strongly that she is, in fact, nutso. It’s one thing to have your doubts about the prevailing story. I have no problem with that. But the weird-ass fantasy she made up – a fantasy that would require that the victim (or, in her view, perpetrator) acts in a way that no human ever would, suggests a seriously distorted and confused idea of reality. And her whole approach to the story, including the gloating about being clever enough to see through the ruse, is identical to the approach that all nutbag conspiracy theorists take, whether they’re “truthers” or “birthers” or folks calling for “disclosure” of alien contacts, or the weirdos who think Sarah Palin wasn’t the real mother of her youngest (she was, crazies). Her posts really make it hard to believe she is just an ordinary, non-insane person with ordinary, non-insane views. She’s making up nutty fantasies and insisting they’re real, in the face of all evidence. That makes her a crazy. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/156 "2012-05-04T23:11:04Z")
Just for the record, **Kimmy Gibbler** has self-identified as male. Not important enough for me to hunt down an occasion when he did, but important enough for me to put the word out _once_. ---
**Author:** ![mister\_nyx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@mister\_nyx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mister_nyx)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/157 "2012-05-05T01:20:38Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Just for the record, **Kimmy Gibbler** has self-identified as male. > > Not important enough for me to hunt down an occasion when he did, but important enough for me to put the word out _once_. Thanks. I just sort of automatically picture [her](http://howwouldtheyvote.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/gibbler.jpg) which led to an assumption. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/158 "2012-05-05T14:30:53Z")
To be fair, depending on how early on they got on the meth, the rest follows pretty naturally. At least that’s what I gathered when watching [this documentary](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDd3KdzDWX4). ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2012, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/159 "2012-05-07T02:07:39Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > **Stoid** ’s zany lawsuit(s) (I don’t mean to pick on **Stoid** , but it is a great example of someone who bankrupted herself to prove that the house really did belong to her—the house belongs to some bank now, I think, and she lost her suit(s) (two to four of them, I recall) (and subsequent appeals). How is it that you understand my legal issues so thoroughly, yet you don’t even follow the simple fact that I was the _ **defendant** _? I did not sue, I was sued. I did not bankrupt myself, my ex bankrupted us both. And the _ **only** _ options I was given to stop that hideous mess from going to court was to pull $300,000 out of the magical safe my ex-partner apparently thought I had in my ass and give it to him. (Please note: on our very best day, which was 2000, not 2006, if we had liquidated everything, we might have netted $250K, so no, I didn’t have $300,000 to give him, and since “my” money was no different that “our” money it was fucking insane of him to think that in the first place.) And _after_ the first trial, the only option I had other than trying to undo what had been done would have been to pack up a hobo stick and go live under a bridge, which is only an exaggeration to the extent that I have more physical stuff than would fit in a hobo scarf, but outside of that, pretty accurate. So it would be absolutely _delightful_ if you and everyone else who makes snarky remarks about my legal issues would stop doing so in a manner which _ **in any respect whatsoever** _ suggests that I’m some crazy vindictive nutjob who _ **created** _ it all, or even some crazy vindictive nutjob who refused to settle, because I was the only one who sought settlement, which I did _ **eight** _ times: 6 unofficial and 2 official, between January 2006 and January 2008, before we ended up in trial. And I _ **continued** _ to come up with alternatives to the scorched earth that the plaintiff and his attorney were evidently committed to, alternatives which always sought to leave us both with something. But the only thing my ex-partner would accept was everything, and if that wasn’t possible, then the next best thing was to make sure that neither of us had anything, because at least it would mean that I didn’t have it. Thank you for your kind attention to the facts. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2012, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654/160 "2012-05-07T02:19:54Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > How is it that you understand my legal issues so thoroughly, yet you don’t even follow the simple fact that I was the _ **defendant** _? I did not sue, I was sued. I did not bankrupt myself, my ex bankrupted us both. And the _ **only** _ options I was given to stop that hideous mess from going to court was to pull $300,000 out of the magical safe my ex-partner apparently thought I had in my ass and give it to him. (Please note: on our very best day, which was 2000, not 2006, if we had liquidated everything, we might have netted $250K, so no, I didn’t have $300,000 to give him, and since “my” money was no different that “our” money it was fucking insane of him to think that in the first place.) > > And _after_ the first trial, the only option I had other than trying to undo what had been done would have been to pack up a hobo stick and go live under a bridge, which is only an exaggeration to the extent that I have more physical stuff than would fit in a hobo scarf, but outside of that, pretty accurate. > > So it would be absolutely _delightful_ if you and everyone else who makes snarky remarks about my legal issues would stop doing so in a manner which _ **in any respect whatsoever** _ suggests that I’m some crazy vindictive nutjob who _ **created** _ it all, or even some crazy vindictive nutjob who refused to settle, because I was the only one who sought settlement, which I did _ **eight** _ times: 6 unofficial and 2 official, between January 2006 and January 2008, before we ended up in trial. > > And I _ **continued** _ to come up with alternatives to the scorched earth that the plaintiff and his attorney were evidently committed to, alternatives which always sought to leave us both with something. But the only thing my ex-partner would accept was everything, and if that wasn’t possible, then the next best thing was to make sure that neither of us had anything, because at least it would mean that I didn’t have it. > > Thank you for your kind attention to the facts. Could you please go over step by step what happened? I don’t think we got enough of it last time. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pit-the-dea-one-more-time-ro/620654.md?page=9)