# Let's pretend Norman Hsu is a Republican **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 7, 2007, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pretend-norman-hsu-is-a-republican/418382 "2007-09-07T16:54:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2007, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pretend-norman-hsu-is-a-republican/418382/81 "2007-09-08T05:25:52Z")
In Hell, its always Pledge Week. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2007, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pretend-norman-hsu-is-a-republican/418382/82 "2007-09-08T06:09:54Z")
So Hell will be full of parties, all shiny, and smell like lemons. Sign me up. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2007, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pretend-norman-hsu-is-a-republican/418382/83 "2007-09-08T08:44:44Z")
The Dems eat at the same infested money trough as the GOP behind the scenes and this is the best which can be dug up? Someone’s not trying hard enough. ---
**Author:** ![Carl\_Corey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Carl\_Corey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carl_Corey)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2007, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pretend-norman-hsu-is-a-republican/418382/84 "2007-09-08T14:00:38Z")
[QUOTE=Mr. Moto] What are you going to do with dirty money? You shouldn’t use it. You shouldn’t give it back - Norman Hsu would then either buy someone else or have fun with yachts, coke and hookers. Not a proper use for stolen money at all. Better to give it to Sister Mary Stigmata at the St. Helen of the Blessed Shroud Orphanage, even if she hates filthy stolen money. [/QUOTE] I can’t let this go by. **Mr. Moto** , I think you are way off base here. That’s because I can’t think of a **better** use for stolen money than yachts, coke, and hookers. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2007, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pretend-norman-hsu-is-a-republican/418382/85 "2007-09-08T15:05:46Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Norman Hsu. Tom DeLay (R-Undead) and the K Street Project. Contrast and compare. [/QUOTE] I’ll raise you an [ACT](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/29/AR2007082902054.html?nav=hcmodule) and a [Pelosi](http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/state/california/2004-02-11-pelosi-pac-fined_x.htm) ---
**Author:** ![AskNott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asknott/32/5790_2.png) [@AskNott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AskNott)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2007, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pretend-norman-hsu-is-a-republican/418382/86 "2007-09-08T17:51:38Z")
[QUOTE=Mr. Moto] … Incidentally, a query [here](http://www.fec.gov/finance/disclosure/advindsea.shtml) will reveal just how much the Paws have donated over the years. Now, again, the Paws are people living in modest means in Daly City. Their donations to various Democrats are at a level that millionaire activists would make. The money has to come from somewhere, and these folks don’t seem to have it. And they know a guy who does and made big donations to the same folks they did, and who has a reputation as a bundler. All this is why various Democrats are scrambling to rid themselves of Paw money as well as Hsu cash. Now, what can they see that you can’t? [/QUOTE] What can I see? I didn’t have to look far. I made the FEC query you recommended, and I can’t understand why you didn’t spot the occupations of all of the Paws. You say they’re “living in modest means in Daly City.” How modest? Let’s look: Alice Paw, Homemaker Dimiple Paw, RN at Peninsula Hospital in May 07, RN at Mills Peninsula Health Services in June 07 Dimple Paw (same guy?), Mills Peninsula Health Services, Computer Administrator at Rescare Dimplo Paw, RN at Hills Hospital Marina Paw, Acct. Manager, Supervisor, Regional Manager, Finance Manager, Business Development at Actuate Corp. (various spellings) Nelson Paw, Alluting Professional Services, Attorney for San Francisco School District Vivian Paw, Homemaker William Paw, Mail Carrier/Postal Clerk at US Postal Service Winkle Paw, Managing Director/Project Manager at Components, Ltd., Director at Coolpower, Ltd., Director at Coorporolants, Ltd., Franklin Resources In short, the family is not of “modest means.” They’re doing pretty darn well. You say the Democrats are “scrambling to rid themselves of Paw money as well as Hsu cash.” I haven’t yet found anything about anyone jettisoning the Paw money. Mr. Hsu’s legal troubles have nothing to do with election laws, and there’s no apparent connection between Hsu’s 1991 screw-up and the Paws’ legal campaign donations. Now, about this suggestive phrase that Hsu “has a reputation as a bundler.” For those who don’t know, I’ll explain that bundling is not illegal. When a backer of a candidate persuades other people to write checks along with his, he can walk into the campaign office with a fistful of checks, which makes him a hero to the candidate. What it gets him is the ear of the elected person, more than just his own check would provide. **Mr. Moto** and the Post editorial he linked to are strenuously nudging and hinting that Hsu paid the Paws to write their checks. Is there any actual evidence, other than implying that an RN, an attorney, and a guy on the board of directors of two corporations can’t afford to donate to political candidates? The WaPo editorial brings up “the Paws’ apparent financial circumstances – their house was recently refinanced for $270,000” as if that looks like they’re in dire straits. Folks, that’s not a red flag. The family is well off, as I said. $270,000, in the California housing market, shouldn’t raise an eyebrow. The fact that they refinanced is not news, either. Half the homeowners in the country have re-fied in the last 5 years, to get lower interest rates. That’s not desperate, it’s just smart. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2007, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pretend-norman-hsu-is-a-republican/418382/87 "2007-09-08T18:44:02Z")
Do you really believe that a family of those means would donate $200,000 to a political party in the past 3 years? That seems a little… far fetched. Especially when you consider that the money was collected by a criminal who just skipped bail and tried to run for it. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2007, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pretend-norman-hsu-is-a-republican/418382/88 "2007-09-08T21:16:20Z")
Perhaps he was stricken with conscience, and hoped to use his ill-gotten gains towards the progress of truth and justice? But, seriously, folks…what _was_ his agenda? What malefic end was this in support of? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2007, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pretend-norman-hsu-is-a-republican/418382/89 "2007-09-08T21:56:25Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] But, seriously, folks…what was his agenda? What malefic end was this in support of? [/QUOTE] Dunno…whats your theory? -XT ---
**Author:** ![AskNott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asknott/32/5790_2.png) [@AskNott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AskNott)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2007, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pretend-norman-hsu-is-a-republican/418382/90 "2007-09-08T22:51:25Z")
[QUOTE=Sam Stone] Do you really believe that a family of those means would donate $200,000 to a political party in the past 3 years? That seems a little… far fetched. [/quote] It’s not something I would do, but it’s not astonishing. Do the FEC query yourself. You’ll see that no individual Paw gave a “millionaire’s” amount at any one time. I’ve met folks who took a year off work to volunteer for a campaign. When you look at the Paw’s jobs, it’s clear they can be more helpful by writing checks. Look at the list. Some of them could be pulling down 6 or 7 figures. Yes, an inspired group like that would cheerfully give $200,000 over 3 years to stop the permanent Republican majority. Mr. Cheney and Mr. Bush are very inspiring to Democrats. > [@](#): > > Especially when you consider that the money was collected by a criminal who just skipped bail and tried to run for it. Do you believe the Feds pursued him as a fugitive for 16 years, missing the fact that he had an address, a phone number, and tax returns the whole time? Don’t you think it’s fishy that a US Attorney just happened to find him in time to embarrass Democratic candidates when the campaign gets revved up? Talk about far-fetched… ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2007, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pretend-norman-hsu-is-a-republican/418382/91 "2007-09-08T23:14:30Z")
Whatever. Use Occam’s razor. Sure, if you search millions of donors, you’ll find some outliers who gave a huge amount relative to their income. But when you dig into the records of a known fund-raising fraud, and find such an outlier, well… I’ll put my money on this being part of the scam. Sure, it’s possible that HSU managed to hook up with the most politically charitable family in America for their income group, but do you think it’s likely? Frankly, I don’t know why you’re trying so hard to carry water for this guy. I’ve already said that I don’t think this hurts actual candidates (at least not from the evidence released so far), and so it seems to be a non-story in terms of political impact. So why the need to go to the ends of the earth to explain this away? I seriously don’t get it. > [@elucidator](#): > > Perhaps he was stricken with conscience, and hoped to use his ill-gotten gains towards the progress of truth and justice? > > But, seriously, folks…what was his agenda? What malefic end was this in support of? Yeah, I’d like to know this as well. Why do people like Hsu do what they do? Is he taking a cut of the ‘bundle’? Is it a purely financial thing? I assume there must be a shadowy agenda somewhere - someone wants to feed money to a candidate and doesn’t want anyone to know where it comes from, so they hire a guy like Hsu as a front, give him the cash, then he slides it to other people and has them write checks back to launder the donation. He probably gets a payday for doing that, as do the people who write the donation checks. At least, that’s how I imagine the mechanics of the scam work. So is there any hint that this guy is connected with someone? That’s the real elephant in the room. The only way you could really damage a candidate over this is if it turned out that the candidate’s team was the group funelling money to HSU to skirt Campaign Finance laws. But if it’s just some unconnected group, or even a foreign government that’s doing it, it shouldn’t hurt the candidate anyway. They’re not responsible. ---
**Author:** ![flight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbce88/32.png) [@flight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flight)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2007, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pretend-norman-hsu-is-a-republican/418382/92 "2007-09-09T00:07:46Z")
Perhaps he is on the level for now, and is hoping that if Clinton becomes president that he would get a pardon and avoid that whole fraud convection thing. If there is an agreement beforehand then the politician is being unethical, but if he is just hoping that he will be able to use his pull later on to get himself out of trouble then not so much. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2007, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pretend-norman-hsu-is-a-republican/418382/93 "2007-09-09T02:54:44Z")
I can’t believe #85 didn’t get a little sarcastic repartee from the poster it was directed to. Must not be up to his standards. Sigh. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2007, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pretend-norman-hsu-is-a-republican/418382/94 "2007-09-09T03:22:59Z")
[QUOTE=Marley23] I’m a little surprised how few people here seem to be aware of this story… [/QUOTE] Count your blessings. It’s still getting more play than the record setting fine the Federal election commission [slapped on the Club for Growth](http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2007-09-05-club-for-growth_N.htm) last week: > [@](#): > > A conservative, free market group that worked on behalf of Republican candidates in the 2000 and 2004 elections has agreed to pay $350,000 in civil penalties for failing to register as a political committee. > > The Federal Election Commission said the Citizens Club for Growth spent $1.28 million during the two election cycles advocating the election or defeat of federal candidates. The FEC said the committee acted as a political committee that should have publicly reported its contributions and expenditures. > > The case has been pending as a federal lawsuit brought by the FEC against the organization. The agreement, if approved by a federal judge, would mark the end of the lawsuit. > > In addition to the money spent directly advocating for or against candidates, the FEC found that the “vast majority” of the Club’s $15.1 million in spending between August 2000 and the end of 2004 was on candidate research, polling and ads connected to federal elections. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2007, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pretend-norman-hsu-is-a-republican/418382/95 "2007-09-09T04:22:46Z")
[QUOTE=Squink] Count your blessings. It’s still getting more play than the record setting fine the Federal election commission [slapped on the Club for Growth](http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2007-09-05-club-for-growth_N.htm) last week: [/QUOTE] I hate to press the point, but the ACT (that I linked to above) were slapped with a penalty twice as big ($775K vs your $350K) within the last couple of weeks. The third largest fin in FEC history. From the [Washington Post:](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/29/AR2007082902054.html?nav=hcmodule) > [@](#): > > An independent political group allied with Democrats and heavily bankrolled by billionaire George Soros has agreed to pay $775,000 to the Federal Election commission for violating campaign laws during the 2004 presidential campaign. > > The civil penalty, announced Wednesday, is the third largest fine ever levied by the FEC. > > Maria Fiol, left, and William Fields pause yesterday at the site of Pentagon Memorial Park. Fields’s wife, Amelia, was among those killed in the 2001 attack. (The Washington Post) > > SEE FULL COLLECTION > > Feedback > > In Today’s A Section > » More in Today’s Print Edition > Save & Share Article What’s This? > > DiggGoogle > del.icio.usYahoo! > RedditFacebook > > The group, America Coming Together, was an influential player in the 2004 election cycle, spending millions of dollars to mobilize voters in support of Democrats in key states. > > The FEC found that ACT inappropriately used money raised outside federal election limits to help federal candidates. In a separate legal analysis, the FEC concluded that despite ACT’s violations, the group did not coordinate its activities with the Democratic National Committee or the presidential campaign of Democratic nominee John Kerry. Such coordination is prohibited under federal law. > > The FEC’s action is the latest it has taken against independent groups that were active on both sides of the political divide during the 2004 elections. Most of the violations center on improper use of so-called soft money, that is, money that is not covered by federal campaign finance laws and can’t be used to help federal candidates. > > The settlement comes more than three years after campaign finance watchdog groups filed complaints against ACT and others, alleging they improperly influenced the 2004 election with money raised outside federal limits. > > The groups on Wednesday argued for a stiffer penalty against ACT and said the case underscores the need for the FEC to adopt clearer regulations governing independent political groups. > > “This is a clear warning to everyone that the FEC must take steps to prevent these kinds of massive violations from occurring in the future or we will face them in the 2008 congressional and presidential elections,” said Fred Wertheimer, president of Democracy 21, which filed the complaint against several independent groups along with the Campaign Legal Center and the Center for Responsive Politics. > > ACT was formed in 2003 by liberal and union-related activists as a response to the voter mobilization efforts of the Bush-Cheney campaign. The group raised $137 million, much of it from Soros and the Service Employees International Union. The money was split between a political action committee, which could spend on federal candidates, and a separate organization set up under IRS rules that could raise unrestricted funds. > > According to the FEC, ACT claimed that $70 million in expenses during the 2004 election cycle were for voter drives that could be financed with soft money. But an FEC investigation determined that ACT spent the money on “clearly identified federal candidates in a manner that could only be paid for with federal funds.” That your trump card can’t even touch the ACT fine, or that Pelosi was fined $21K and still gets to be Speaker kinda points towards the blind eye mentioned here. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2007, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pretend-norman-hsu-is-a-republican/418382/96 "2007-09-09T04:56:01Z")
[QUOTE=Duke of Rat] I can’t believe #85 didn’t get a little sarcastic repartee from the poster it was directed to. Must not be up to his standards. Sigh. [/QUOTE] Well, its one of those “whatever” kind of things. I mean, if you want to posit some equivalence in corruption between one party and the other, try to imagine how little I care. Not even close, try again. So maybe they’re both skanky old whores, with running sores and every STD known. But one of them has spent the last 6 years demonstrating that she’s fucking stupid, so dumb she tried to suck off a dump truck going thirty miles an hour. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2007, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pretend-norman-hsu-is-a-republican/418382/97 "2007-09-09T08:35:52Z")
I dunno… I tend to agree with you more than disagree, but your argument (and the Ted Stevens crack) skate a little too close to the kind of thing that makes Republicans sputter “but Clinton did it.” It seems born out of the same kind of line of thinking. Democrats bring up Stevens, Republicans bring up Hsu, Dems harp on Abramoff, Repubs harp on those recent New Jersey indictments/arrests/whatever… I get dizzy. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![AskNott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asknott/32/5790_2.png) [@AskNott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AskNott)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2007, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pretend-norman-hsu-is-a-republican/418382/98 "2007-09-09T17:00:25Z")
[QUOTE=Sam Stone] … But when you dig into the records of a known fund-raising fraud… [/quote] He’s not a “known fund-raising fraud.” Pay attention. Hsu has never been accused of any violation of election fund-raising laws, except in the press. > [@](#): > > Frankly, I don’t know why you’re trying so hard to carry water for this guy. … I’m only trying to get your feet back on the ground, **Sam**. You keep imagining things that there’s no evidence for. His 16-year-old crime had nothing to do with politics. The FBI made no effort to round him up for 16 years, and now they bust him for it, and NOT for any violation of election rules. > [@](#): > > That’s the real elephant in the room. The only way you could really damage a candidate over this is if it turned out that the candidate’s team was the group funelling money to HSU to skirt Campaign Finance laws. … There you go again, **Sam**. A candidate’s team funneling money they already have through the process again? :dubious: You’re a conundrum, **Mr. Stone**. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2007, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pretend-norman-hsu-is-a-republican/418382/99 "2007-09-09T20:26:47Z")
[QUOTE=AskNott] He’s not a “known fund-raising fraud.” Pay attention. Hsu has never been accused of any violation of election fund-raising laws, except in the press. [/quote] Okay, general fraud then. He’s obviously a very shady operator. > [@](#): > > I’m only trying to get your feet back on the ground, **Sam**. You keep imagining things that there’s no evidence for. His 16-year-old crime had nothing to do with politics. The FBI made no effort to round him up for 16 years, and now they bust him for it, and NOT for any violation of election rules. Right. So a known fraud emerges as a ‘bundler’ for Democratic candidates. One of his ‘clients’ has donated $244,000 to Democrats over the past three years, despite being clearly a middle-class family. Sure, it’s possible that they’re the most philanthropic people in the country, giving everything they make to Democrats while carrying mortgages and working regular jobs, but given that the person involved is a shady operator, this seems to me to be unlikely. YMMV. > [@](#): > > There you go again, **Sam**. A candidate’s team funneling money they already have through the process again? :dubious: You’re a conundrum, **Mr. Stone**. You know what I meant - if a campaign was skirting campaign finance laws by shunting money they otherwise couldn’t take through a guy who then breaks it down into many cheques. Note that I’m not accusing anyone of this - I just said that something like that was the only way I could see this sticking to an actual candidate. I don’t think that’s what happened, and there’s no evidence for it. Try reading my messages a little closer. I’ve pretty much been on your side on this in terms of whether it should be a political issue for Democrats. I don’t see it. But that doesn’t mean I think Hsu is squeaky clean, and these donations are on the level. My gut feeling is that they aren’t. I just don’t think any of the Democratic candidates should be affected by it, unless prosecutors can show direct involvement of the campaign in whatever scam is going on. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2007, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pretend-norman-hsu-is-a-republican/418382/100 "2007-09-09T20:32:27Z")
[QUOTE=Sam Stone] Mind you, if it turns out that he was funneling money from Chinese government interests and convincing politicians to take positions that help his ‘clients’, you’ve got a little more red meat. But I don’t think there’s evidence of anything like that. So far, it’s a non-issue. [/QUOTE] Not so sure about that. I was struck by how the NYT today vaguely mentioned that this “garment executive” had no apparent visible means of support for his “garment companies” (which largely appear to be mail-drops), and then went on, without spending much more time musing on how a mail-drop would put one in a position to channel hundreds of thousands of dollars through various other co-countrymen. Occam’s Razor would suggest to me that a guy with two bankruptcies and no visible means of support was getting his money from yet another source, rather than from some vague but totally-legal but highly-profitable business that somehow spun off $600k in surplus income that he had nothing other to do with than donate to scores of campaigns. I do okay for myself, but, say, $1,500 would be a heavy, heavy donation for me to a political cause. “Hundreds of thousands” in contributions is beyond anything I can imagine. And if Occam’s Razor tells me this – it also tells me that the least-convoluted possible source for huge amounts of Democratic-influence-buying money begins with a P and ends with a C and has an R in the middle. Certainly, my reactionary Taiwanese Kuomintang acquaintances are not shouting racism here. They’re shouting, “The Commies are buying the election!” Discount for their political/irredentist bias, and YMMV, but it is hardly an unreasonable hypothesis, given the comparatively small proportion of Chinese in the U.S. and their comparatively large role in buying Dem. influcence and spying (when they do spy), on behalf of the Politburo in Beijing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pretend-norman-hsu-is-a-republican/418382.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-pretend-norman-hsu-is-a-republican/418382.md?page=6)