# Let's talk about etv78 **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [September 13, 2012, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-talk-about-etv78/634622 "2012-09-13T18:57:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-talk-about-etv78/634622/61 "2012-09-14T01:49:54Z")
Doesn’t anyone else want to defeat other boards in a war? Jeez guys, stay on point! We could rule the internet, you, I, and the rest of us. We’d be Borg! What’s not to like about that? Why are we quibbling when we could be sending out our probes and star destroyers? ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-talk-about-etv78/634622/62 "2012-09-14T01:53:18Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > Talking with you I feel like I’m on crazy pills. **Voltaire** was the one advancing that the hypothetical was plausible. It is plausible, and I did mention it, but a board war is in no way required to result from the actions I believe should be warning worthy on their own. If you troll elsewhere and the effects of your (confirmed) trolling come here, you should get warned for trolling here. It’s really the effects of trolling that we want to avoid, so it’s the effects of trolling that should trigger a warning - where the trolling began isn’t what’s important. It’s not necessarily true in this situation, but for all we know, the whole thing bleeding over on to this board could have been intentional. If that kind of thing ain’t against the rules, it ought to be. To risk extending the hypothetical, what if **etv** were to do something similar again, and some other board’s mod come complaining over here? Play on? Not our problem? And it’s not too hard to moderate against, and it’s not a slippery slope - if someone is reasonably proven/admits to trolling, and their trolling has any impact on this board, they get a warning. No biggie, don’t do it again and you’ll be fine. Continue to do it, and you’re gone, eventually. Seems reasonable, workable, and effectual, to me. ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-talk-about-etv78/634622/63 "2012-09-14T02:18:31Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > It is plausible, and I did mention it, but a board war is in no way required to result from the actions I believe should be warning worthy on their own. Guys, get a life. There’s no such thing as “board wars” (sorry **FGIE** ). There is such a thing as board members who take their boards _way_ too seriously and think everybody else takes it as seriously as they do. It is said that “On the Internet, nobody knows your a dog.” Is **etv78** a spinal bifida sufferer? Does he have a whale’s vagina? I surely don’t know. I also don’t know how, reasonably, I could ever be certain of these things. And still less so, why I might want to expend even a scintilla of effort to figure them out for certain. So, yes, going forward, feel free to have your private doubts. But this sentiment of “We must get to the bottom of this, for great justice!” is truly risible. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-talk-about-etv78/634622/64 "2012-09-14T02:30:39Z")
A Monkey With a Gun, look at me. Look at my eyes. _Umkay can never hurt you again. We have caught her. She can’t hurt you anymore._ Now stop letting the bad memories to haunt you. Like Stickler said, your no-no place is safe. You are just traumatized, is all. It’s over now…you are wiser and you won’t be suckered ever again. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-talk-about-etv78/634622/65 "2012-09-14T02:35:47Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > Guys, get a life. There’s no such thing as “board wars” > \ > I also don’t know how, reasonably, I could ever be certain of these things. You can’t, because you’re demonstrably wrong. > [@](#): > > And still less so, why I might want to expend even a scintilla of effort to figure them out for certain. Now, you’ve got a point. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-talk-about-etv78/634622/66 "2012-09-14T02:45:09Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > A Monkey With a Gun, look at me. Look at my eyes. _Umkay can never hurt you again. We have caught her. She can’t hurt you anymore._ 🙂 OK, that’s funny. You will always be my Queen, **Nzinga**. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-talk-about-etv78/634622/67 "2012-09-14T02:47:58Z")
This whole discussion is insane. Why don’t we start pulling out Dopers at random and watch them like hawks in case they try to spam us. Any one of you might be the next to create a puppet. Damnit! Wait for the rules to be broken. What any of you do anywhere else, when you’re on another board, or just cringing in the corner because you’re afraid of the dark doesn’t matter here. You’ll all be here complaining about jack-booted mods as soon as you flagrantly violate the rules, but you’re willing to conduct a witch hunt when no rules have been violated. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-talk-about-etv78/634622/68 "2012-09-14T03:00:55Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > This whole discussion is insane. Why don’t we start pulling out Dopers at random and watch them like hawks in case they try to spam us. Any one of you might be the next to create a puppet. > > Damnit! Wait for the rules to be broken. What any of you do anywhere else, when you’re on another board, or just cringing in the corner because you’re afraid of the dark doesn’t matter here. You’ll all be here complaining about jack-booted mods as soon as you flagrantly violate the rules, but you’re willing to conduct a witch hunt when no rules have been violated. Could you point out anyone who’s being any where near as hyperbolic as you are? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-talk-about-etv78/634622/69 "2012-09-14T03:01:54Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > Wait a sec…(bolding mine) Who’s the “someone else?” He admitted he did these things. I was referring to punishing **etv78** if his actions had caused a board war. He either deserves punishment or not; that doesn’t change because of what people on another board do in response to his behavior. And we understand your warning about him. We started discussing what to do about this situation yesterday, not that long after **BPFMod** showed up. > [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > **Marley** was talking about a hypothetical situation in which **etv78** caused a board war. I’m perfectly aware, as I’m overwhelmingly sure is **Marley** , that there isn’t going to be a board war and that **etv78** was acting alone. Correct. Although nobody was saying **etv78** was going to _start_ a board war; they were talking about people coming over here because they were mad **etv78** trolled their board. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-talk-about-etv78/634622/70 "2012-09-14T03:07:08Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > Could you point out anyone who’s being any where near as hyperbolic as you are? I don’t understand why that would matter. I’m naturally hyperbolic, I was sectioned out of cone. But that’s another story. The premise that anything needs to be done about Doper that has done nothing wrong, and concerns about a non-existent board war (oh my, perhaps the other board has WMDs!!), and watching a Doper like a hawk because someone else doesn’t like him is conceptually hyperbolic at best, and bat shit nuts at worst. ---
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-talk-about-etv78/634622/71 "2012-09-14T03:28:32Z")
> [@SubaRhubarb](#): > > Bolding mine. > > Is ATMB for that? I have never quite figured out what this forum is for. Bug/ad/malware complaints get joked away, and a lot of the griping about mods ends with “take it to the pit” or a polite version of “fuck off”. > > Mods, maybe you should make a sticky about “What ATMB is for”. > > It is half toilet, half daycare. Just from the menu (descriptions of ATMB): “Comments and complaints about SDMB administration should go in About This Message Board.” "For all questions, comments, and complaints about the SDMB. This is also the place for test threads. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-talk-about-etv78/634622/72 "2012-09-14T05:34:43Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > If you troll elsewhere and the effects of your (confirmed) trolling come here, you should get warned for trolling here. It’s really the effects of trolling that we want to avoid, so it’s the effects of trolling that should trigger a warning - where the trolling began isn’t what’s important. Etv didn’t do anything here. He didn’t make that other guy create an account and start slagging on dopers. Okay, a doper. If any warnings are handed out, it should be to bfpmoddude for being a shit-stirrer. Etv didn’t post a link or name any boards. He stayed comfortably generic. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-talk-about-etv78/634622/73 "2012-09-14T06:29:08Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > bat shit nuts at worst. A good description of this thread’s existence and the moderators’ inaction on closing it or moving it. ---
**Author:** ![Cinnamon\_Imp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58956e/32.png) [@Cinnamon\_Imp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cinnamon_Imp)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-talk-about-etv78/634622/74 "2012-09-14T07:01:43Z")
> [@Cicero](#): > > I can’t see how getting further data is not a good idea if you are researching a book. > > That aside, Private Messages (IMHO) should be kept private. There was [a post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15240388&postcount=10) from a mod here in ATMB a while back saying no, you were perfectly free to post any PMs you’d received. But that you might be a dick, for doing so 😛 [off-topic aside]I wish I’d known that back on Valentine’s day when I got a lovely little piece of hatemail through the PM system.[/off-topic aside] ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-talk-about-etv78/634622/75 "2012-09-14T11:53:21Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > A Monkey With a Gun, look at me. Look at my eyes. _Umkay can never hurt you again. We have caught her. She can’t hurt you anymore._ > > Now stop letting the bad memories to haunt you. Like Stickler said, your no-no place is safe. You are just traumatized, is all. It’s over now…you are wiser and you won’t be suckered ever again. This is just…freaking hilarious! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ostrya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/35a633/32.png) [@Ostrya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ostrya)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-talk-about-etv78/634622/76 "2012-09-14T12:04:28Z")
I appreciate AClockWorkMelon’s posts, esp in this thread, agree with everyone who think this thread is absurd - at least in this forum. This is a barbeque issue, not an ATMB, one. If anyone should be pitted though it should be the person who recently joined, apparently for the sole reason of attacking ETV - which they were able to do, over-the-top inappropriately and with sock puppet style - without so much as a mod note, let alone any warning for it. Is there any way to verify _their_ authenticity? How do we know who _they_ are? This thread should serve as an example that monkeys are not qualified to handle a gun, have no business associating themselves with one. With shrill and angry voices seething froth and spittle, we should be grilling moderators and administration! “How did this monkey get ahold of a gun? Who’s responsible for this and who should be held accountable?! Are steps being taken to disarm this monkey? Take their gun away once and for all? Nationally Enquiring minds demand to know!! And if you aren’t able to disarm this monkey, take their gun away for good, then at least please, for the love of god and everyone’s safety, **keep an eye on them at all times!!** ” ~snort~ ---
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-talk-about-etv78/634622/77 "2012-09-14T12:09:22Z")
> [@Cinnamon\_Imp](#): > > There was [a post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15240388&postcount=10) from a mod here in ATMB a while back saying no, you were perfectly free to post any PMs you’d received. But that you might be a dick, for doing so 😛 > > [off-topic aside]I wish I’d known that back on Valentine’s day when I got a lovely little piece of hatemail through the PM system.[/off-topic aside] Oh yes I agree that you can post them and at times it may be necessary to do so. In general though, it is my view (and obviously others have different thoughts) that the content should not be published. For a start it is not out in the open and can’t be verified. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-talk-about-etv78/634622/78 "2012-09-14T12:42:26Z")
> [@the lone cashew](#): > > I appreciate AClockWorkMelon’s posts, esp in this thread,…\ No kidding. Even Job was saying, “Forget it, Melon. It’s useless. Curse god and be done with this thread.” ---
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-talk-about-etv78/634622/79 "2012-09-14T12:48:59Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > It’s really not that strange. This thread is about what the administration should do when a poster is a known troll - just not necessarily here. We _know_ the guy is a troll. He said it in his OP. Do we harbor trolls, or not? > > Now, as I said earlier, I recommend the mods do nothing - except watch the guy like a hawk. I see what you are driving at but this is coming across as a pseudo pitting. In the past if I have had suspicions about a poster I have just emailed a Mod and outlined what I thought the issue was. That way it stayed with them (their responsibility, not mine) and I didn’t end up with egg on my face when my fears turned out to be groundless 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-talk-about-etv78/634622/80 "2012-09-14T13:30:58Z")
What **Cicero** said. And just because a guy qualifies as a troll on another board it doesn’t automatically follow that he’s a troll on this one It’s the behavior here that matters. (Although I guess his actions elsewhere might become relevant if he were already under scrutiny here by the staff for something or other.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-talk-about-etv78/634622.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-talk-about-etv78/634622.md?page=5)