# Let's talk about the FIRE (Financial Independence, Retire Early) lifestyle

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**Category:** In My Humble Opinion\
**Created:** [January 11, 2024, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-talk-about-the-fire-financial-independence-retire-early-lifestyle/995946 "2024-01-11T11:52:10Z")\
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**Author:** ![Mama\_Zappa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71e660/32.png) [@Mama\_Zappa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Zappa)\
**Post date:** [May 16, 2024, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-talk-about-the-fire-financial-independence-retire-early-lifestyle/995946/161 "2024-05-16T23:57:40Z")

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> [@Machine\_Elf](#):
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> I may have overstated the case, but after a bit of reading, I have seen articles citing people who are aiming to retire in their 40s with $1M in savings, and planning on a 4% per year drawdown rate. Not only is 4% per year optimistic for retiring 20+ years ahead of what the 4% rule was designed for, but $50K/yr before taxes still won’t be a very lavish retirement

Yeah, that sounds pretty crazy.

On the other hand, if you live a frugal enough lifestyle that you HAVE a million bucks saved up when you hit 45, and you continue to live that way, it’s theoretically possible, as long as you don’t do anything crazy like have kids, get sick, or whatever.

And certainly not with a 4% drawdown, especially if by that you mean “take 4% this year, then that same amount + inflation next year”.

Maybe if, by “retire early” you mean “quit the rat race, and do something else you love that makes a little money but won’t make you rich”.

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**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\
**Post date:** [May 17, 2024, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-talk-about-the-fire-financial-independence-retire-early-lifestyle/995946/162 "2024-05-17T00:18:01Z")

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The FIRE folks have different types of FIRE

Lean FIRE: You don’t work but live like a starving student.  
Coast FIRE: The most common. You don’t work and live the same lifestyle as before.  
Barista FIRE: You take on a part time job, usually doing something you love, in order to maintain your lifestyle. One guy I met worked in a bicycle shop.  
Fat FIRE: Not working and a life of luxury.

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