# Let's welcome our newest bigot **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 12, 2017, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-welcome-our-newest-bigot/779617 "2017-02-12T02:27:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2017, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-welcome-our-newest-bigot/779617/61 "2017-02-12T20:12:06Z")
> [@Jefferson](#): > > Still it could be worse. The uncouth fellow could be out burning out cars and smashing up shop windows. > > It keeps him off the streets. As Mueller could say: Tell me more ghost stories uncle Jeff! ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2017, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-welcome-our-newest-bigot/779617/62 "2017-02-12T20:23:39Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > Nah, abortion clinic bombings do not bother me in the least, as they are not exactly a common occurrence or a regular event, unlike Islamic terrorism which occurs practically all of the time, every single day, all across the globe. > > President Trump agrees with me, and we know what the main priority is, and we are working towards that noble goal. Can’t argue with that. If your “noble goal” is to be universally thought of as an idiot on an Internet message board, then mission accomplished. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2017, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-welcome-our-newest-bigot/779617/63 "2017-02-12T20:24:28Z")
> [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](#): > > The pronoun you were looking for is me, Mr. smarty pants. When Lorelei Lee said “a girl like I” it was charming. She may have been a bit too fond of diamonds, but her mistake indicated a desire to _sound_ more educated. **Jefferson** lacks charm. The historical TJ had his moments–producing the first draft of the Declaration & championing Church/State separation. I think our local version identifies more with the TJ revealed in [Notes on the State of Virginia](http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/jeffvir.asp): > [@](#): > > To our reproach it must be said, that though for a century and a half we have had under our eyes the races of black and of red men, they have never yet been viewed by us as subjects of natural history. I advance it therefore as a suspicion only, that the blacks, whether originally a distinct race, or made distinct by time and circumstances, are inferior to the whites in the endowments both of body and mind. It is not against experience to suppose, that different species of the same genus, or varieties of the same species, may possess different qualifications. Will not a lover of natural history then, one who views the gradations in all the races of animals with the eye of philosophy, excuse an effort to keep those in the department of man as distinct as nature has formed them? This unfortunate difference of colour, and perhaps of faculty, is a powerful obstacle to the emancipation of these people. Many of their advocates, while they wish to vindicate the liberty of human nature, are anxious also to preserve its dignity and beauty. Some of these, embarrassed by the question `What further is to be done with them?’ join themselves in opposition with those who are actuated by sordid avarice only. Among the Romans emancipation required but one effort. The slave, when made free, might mix with, without staining the blood of his master. But with us a second is necessary, unknown to history. When freed, he is to be removed beyond the reach of mixture. Sorry for the Wall O’Text–he did tend to go on. Briefly, TJ was too lazy to actually use Science to prove his belief in Black Inferiority. Yet his belief was sufficiently strong to provide reasons not to end slavery (which he opposed–at times). Why, ending slavery (without removing the ex-slaves) would lead to “staining the blood of his master.” (Staining the blood of _her_ master was just fine.) Just glad that this latest idiot has given me an excuse to dig up an old historical grudge… ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2017, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-welcome-our-newest-bigot/779617/64 "2017-02-12T20:31:42Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Can’t argue with that. If your “noble goal” is to be universally thought of as an idiot on an Internet message board, then mission accomplished. Like Jefferson the Blinky does not look like he will grow up, they follow the motto of another famous Jeffrey: _ **I don’t wanna grow up! I’m a Hate Я us Kid!** _ ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2017, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-welcome-our-newest-bigot/779617/65 "2017-02-12T20:35:31Z")
> [@Jefferson](#): > > Liberals, eh. What are they like! Okay, hold on here. I am absolutely NO fan of Islam. I’m not a fan of any religious ideology whatsoever. I believe in none of these methods or paths as religions call them. I argue against them all the time. But FIRST, I am an American. And every person that comes here has a RIGHT-- not a privilege, a RIGHT, to be as religious as they like to be. No one has to apply for a faith license. It comes with the package. And though I disagree with religion, I’ll never agree with banning people due to religion. As I recall, it was probably the top selling point in the 1650s with people being beheaded by their leaders all over the place. Here, all are welcome and it should always be that way. So how does this opinion make into some “ridiculous liberal”? The equal rights part? ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2017, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-welcome-our-newest-bigot/779617/66 "2017-02-12T20:50:47Z")
**Jefferson** Beauregard Sessions the third? With him as AG, racism becomes far more acceptable. Same guy? ---
**Author:** ![Azeotrope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/0ea827/32.png) [@Azeotrope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Azeotrope)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2017, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-welcome-our-newest-bigot/779617/67 "2017-02-12T20:53:27Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Hey, you what would be cute… if you two retards got a room, stuck your dicks in each other’s ear and fuck started\*\* your brains\*\*. Objection, Your Honor. Assuming facts not in evidence. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2017, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-welcome-our-newest-bigot/779617/68 "2017-02-12T21:07:49Z")
> [@Jefferson](#): > > If the people of the world were more like I, sunshine, it would be a far, far, far, far, far, far better place. > [@Jefferson](#): > > No. For mankind. If only the world (and not just the Muslim world) were more like I, it would be infinitely more tolerant and just. “More like I”, eh? I think we’ve already established that you’re an ignorant, hateful bigot, so I have nothing further to add on that score. I’ll just add that if your understanding of idiomatic English usage extended to linguistic nuance beyond the level of grade-school rote, you wouldn’t make such a pretentious ass of yourself. When you were in grade school, did the other kids often hold you upside down and dip your head in the toilet? I imagine they did. I enjoy thinking about it. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2017, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-welcome-our-newest-bigot/779617/69 "2017-02-12T21:24:46Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > Yes, liberals sure do engage in psychological projection an awful lot. It’s kind of cute.🙂 And yet is is Republicans who consistently try to tell people what Liberals think. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2017, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-welcome-our-newest-bigot/779617/70 "2017-02-12T21:37:10Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > \When you were in grade school, did the other kids often hold you upside down and dip your head in the toilet? I imagine they did. I enjoy thinking about it. They couldn’t when he was in grade school. He was 28. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2017, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-welcome-our-newest-bigot/779617/71 "2017-02-13T00:07:49Z")
> [@Jefferson](#): > > Nope, you are wrong, wrong, wrong. 🆒 Dr. Dunning, Dr. Kruger, Dr. Howard! ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2017, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-welcome-our-newest-bigot/779617/72 "2017-02-13T00:16:53Z")
If you weren’t trolling, there would be more contrition in your posts, or outrage that you were misunderstood. Not snark to try and further get under people’s skin. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2017, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-welcome-our-newest-bigot/779617/73 "2017-02-13T00:22:45Z")
> [@Jefferson](#): > > I can. And I do. I see the problem here. You are reading the word “help” with the wrong definition for the context in which **running coach** used the word. He meant that you can prevent yourself from being an asshole. You apparently think he meant that you can become more of one, sine you seem to understand the word “help” somewhat akin to “Help yourself to move pie”. Nope. He or she most certainly did not mean, “Hey, Troll, go ahead and help yourself to being even more of an asshole than your earlier posts show you to be”. > [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](#): > > The pronoun you were looking for is me, Mr. smarty pants. Actually, b/j\* got that one correct. Using the first person singular pronoun in the accusative case is the informal/colloquial use. To the newbie troll: Whining about “colorful language” in this board’s Pit doesn’t usually bode well for the whiner. \*How fortuitous. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2017, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-welcome-our-newest-bigot/779617/74 "2017-02-13T00:31:36Z")
What is to be done? If Islam is inherently and permanently malicious, what is the answer? There is an awful lot of them. A project of forced secularization, then? We will declare their religion unacceptable, and insist that they convert to a more agreeable theistic persuasion? Or none at all? A less modest proposal, perhaps, a more final solution? Does it involve trains? If your plan centers on massacre and extermination, aren’t you tipping your hand? They might fail to appreciate our moral superiority, and refuse to cooperate. But here you are, giving the game away! So now they are warned, and now, thanks to you, there are more of them. Of course, none of this may be any part of your plan, you may plan a program of tea, macaroons, and gentle persuasion. In which case, knock yourself out! You will enjoy the unstinting approval of liberals, Christians, humanists, and the sane. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2017, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-welcome-our-newest-bigot/779617/75 "2017-02-13T00:43:44Z")
**elucidator** : Trump has already declared their religion unacceptable. Now he’s trying to convince the judiciary he is not taking action on that declaration. Sadly, he has a lot of support along the likes of ol’ b/j. ---
**Author:** ![drm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a88e57/32.png) [@drm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drm)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2017, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-welcome-our-newest-bigot/779617/76 "2017-02-13T02:21:24Z")
> [@Jefferson](#): > > I appreciate you “liberals” are in denial but I’ll stress again: The 12 days to become “radicalised” claim is a quote from a Government (UK) expert on radicalisation. > > If you don’t like it children, take it up with the expert. I’m (Honestly) interesting in reading it, just out of curiousity. It’s stupid, I’m confident it’s stupid, and I’m interested in the overall context of it - and who said it makes no difference to me. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2017, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-welcome-our-newest-bigot/779617/77 "2017-02-13T03:10:36Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Actually, b/j\* got that one correct. Using the first person singular pronoun in the accusative case is the informal/colloquial use. “Like” is a preposition. It takes an accusative pronoun. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2017, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-welcome-our-newest-bigot/779617/78 "2017-02-13T03:19:27Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > “Like” is a preposition. It takes an accusative pronoun. [Conjunction](http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Like). The verb after _I_ is understood. Since the pronoun is operating as the subject of the clause, it is nominative. The above is formal usage, of course. Although b/j got the grammar correct, his content is, let’s say, alternative. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2017, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-welcome-our-newest-bigot/779617/79 "2017-02-13T03:23:50Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Actually, b/j\* got that one correct. Using the first person singular pronoun in the accusative case is the informal/colloquial use. Actually, I think there’s a good argument to be made that it goes a good deal beyond just the formal/informal register. Certainly if one said “… if only the world were more like I am”, there is no doubt about the required case of the pronoun. But in the absence of the verb, there’s a good reason that the accusative case is so frequently and instinctively used in the common idiom. Mark Liberman lays it out pretty clearly [here](http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=1599). “Me” functions here in the manner of a noun-phrase complement in phrases like “walk like an angel” and “ran like nobody’s business” which naturally take the accusative case. Shakespeare got it right in _Romeo and Juliet_: “Doting like me, and like me banished”. Jonathan Swift, in _The Lady’s Dressing Room_: “He soon would learn to think like me”. Robert Southey, in his poem T_o Lycon_: “And train the future race to live and act like me.” Charles Dickens, _The Old Curiosity Shop_: “… he told me about my mother, and how she once looked and spoke just like me.” Anyway, only a complete dweeb would use a phrase like “if only the world were more like I” in normal conversation, and under closer scrutiny it appears to be a hypercorrected solecism in any register, or, as Liberman more picturesquely calls it, “nervous cluelessness”. We conclude that our pal **Jefferson** the Islamophobic bigot and cluelessly nervous grammar maven deserves to be held upside down and have his head submerged in a toilet bowl, an activity to which he must surely by now be accustomed through long experience. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2017, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-welcome-our-newest-bigot/779617/80 "2017-02-13T03:27:27Z")
You guys are only convincing the neo-fascists being roasted here that we’re all just a bunch of _grammar_ Nazis! 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-welcome-our-newest-bigot/779617.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lets-welcome-our-newest-bigot/779617.md?page=5)