# Levy barred from Libya for being Jewish, should Sarkozy have refused to go? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 26, 2013, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/levy-barred-from-libya-for-being-jewish-should-sarkozy-have-refused-to-go/653983 "2013-03-26T02:41:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/levy-barred-from-libya-for-being-jewish-should-sarkozy-have-refused-to-go/653983/21 "2013-03-28T13:44:01Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > But I find no informations in French on this supposed barring of BHL from Libye which he has visited before. All the claims of the barring, they come from partisan anglophone jewish sources of the extreme zionist angles and right wing anglophones who wish to sow hatreds and exploit the jews for own purposes. It is once again a story of lies for propaganda of those persons who wish to make the muslim and arab worlds appear worse than they even are, it appears, as from BHL own website you can read from him that is a lie: Huh? Where are you getting this detail from? All I can find is that the story was published in a French online newspaper: "Rue89, a French online newspaper, with the headline “BHL, the Jew, Will Not Accompany Sarkozy to Tripoli.” Are you claiming Rue89 is controlled by “partisan anglophone jewish sources of the extreme zionist angles and right wing anglophones who wish to sow hatreds”? According to the paper, the article was written by its Lybian correpondent, Maryline Dumas. > **[Rue 89 : vies intimes, séries, parentalité](https://www.nouvelobs.com/rue89/)** > > Rue89 ce sont des sujets autour de la parentalité, des séries intimes et des questions sur la vie ! Découvrez ces articles écrits avec passion par nos journalistes. If you have better information, please let us know. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/levy-barred-from-libya-for-being-jewish-should-sarkozy-have-refused-to-go/653983/22 "2013-03-28T13:53:10Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > Perhaps it is the problem that the philosophical style and french style of BHL is not direct enough for English so that things that should be obvious are not. Aha, more deception from the anglosaxon parlophone extreme zionist right wing U.S. media. Do tell us more. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/levy-barred-from-libya-for-being-jewish-should-sarkozy-have-refused-to-go/653983/23 "2013-03-28T13:54:51Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > How can you tell? That’s got to be the most overwritten article I’ve ever read. Maybe it works better in French? The article is the very same text but in English as the French note from the website of BHL that I have translated above in my note. It is the style of BHL. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/levy-barred-from-libya-for-being-jewish-should-sarkozy-have-refused-to-go/653983/24 "2013-03-28T13:58:20Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Aha, more deception from the anglosaxon parlophone extreme zionist right wing U.S. media. > > Do tell us more. What is to tell you? That you can not read well French? That you did not understand BHL himself or you skipped over the parts not consistent with the story that is desired to be promoted? Or do you claim that BHL has been lying about himself when he refutes all the points of the english language renditions of this great lie as promoted in those anglophone articles? It is simple, if you search in google for the story as it is recited by the English paper, which itself is a great distortion to the point of being a lie, of what seems to be the original, you find it only among a certain kind of press of the very partisans natures. But I notice now also the distortion, i did not write anything about US media being extreme zionist. I said anglophone media and extreme zionist medias - the extremist blogs that promoted this. This is not the same. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/levy-barred-from-libya-for-being-jewish-should-sarkozy-have-refused-to-go/653983/25 "2013-03-28T14:08:44Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > Huh? Where are you getting this detail from? There is this tool, it is called google. If you put in the key words in English for this story in this tool, you get certain kinds of results. I made my own judgement when I saw that the results are all of very partisans newspapers of certain political tendencies, and not any articles in any sources of quality or of neutrality. It is then I suspected that it is necessary to look in the French news and again I find the same thing, no source of the quality or the neutrality one must normally expect gives citation to this. Only the sources of certain extremist tendencies, and then a slightly different article in rue89, and so I went to the site of BHL to see some expected comment. If you think my judgement is very wrong, I direct you to the very language that BHL uses himself in his article, for he makes the comparison (in his very philosophical style which may be too subtle in english) to Je suis partout. [edited: this is the French fascist newspaper as expained in his translated article] He does not make this by accident, this reference speaks. > [@](#): > > All I can find is that the story was published in a French online newspaper: > > "Rue89, a French online newspaper, with the headline “BHL, the Jew, Will Not Accompany Sarkozy to Tripoli.” that is not the story was making the reference to, in fact it was me who found the Rue89 and then the refutation of this by BHL himself on his own website, which I have linked to and which the american newspaper linked to is but a translation of it. > [@](#): > > Are you claiming Rue89 is controlled by “partisan anglophone jewish sources of the extreme zionist angles and right wing anglophones who wish to sow hatreds”? No that is a confusion I have clarified. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/levy-barred-from-libya-for-being-jewish-should-sarkozy-have-refused-to-go/653983/26 "2013-03-28T14:09:56Z")
Granted, Levy is saying a major aspect to the story is untrue, that there was not a trip to Libya in the works. The possibility he leaves open is that there are officials in Libya who don’t want him to travel there. That is not equivalent to declaring the article “pure fiction”. > [@Ramira](#): > > What is to tell you? That you can not read well French? I will avoid the temptation to inform you that you can not speak well English and seem to be relying on unspecified translational difficulties to insist that Levy has refuted the entire article, which is not the case. > [@](#): > > i did not write anything about US media being extreme zionist. I said anglophone media and extreme zionist medias - the extremist blogs that promoted this. I await your connecting-the-dots to show us how the original source is “extremist”, “zionist” or whatever. Maybe you should post in French so there are no misunderstandings. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![newcomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e5b9ba/32.png) [@newcomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcomer)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/levy-barred-from-libya-for-being-jewish-should-sarkozy-have-refused-to-go/653983/27 "2013-03-28T14:14:47Z")
Another one of those “your cites and logic do not apply and don’t prove anything” when it comes to anything effin related to small or big “J”. So, let’s recap… some web-based news site goes off on a tirade and possible “scoop” so valued in newspaper marketing department. People with reading comprehension explain that it is basically a lie and then the sh!storm ensues. However, it’s all there. The original article veracity hangs on the tiniest thread ever invented by journalists: > [@](#): > > Un responsable municipal explique, sous couvert d’anonymat (_A city official said, on condition of anonymity_) Aside from the lowest form of journalism practices (some dude in some official capacity but we have no clue who he is) and aside from the fact that when it comes to Jew-hate no Arab goes “anonymous” even Levy is speaking out against innuendo and clear falsehood conveyed by Rue98 article. You think poorly written and outright false article will foil online brigade from dishing their anti-Semite label to anything that looks it might have some hate in it? If suicide bomber gets 72 virgins I wonder how many sluts are awaiting online threadshitters? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/levy-barred-from-libya-for-being-jewish-should-sarkozy-have-refused-to-go/653983/28 "2013-03-28T14:21:00Z")
This thread is rapidly spinning into a maelstrom of incomprehensibility. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/levy-barred-from-libya-for-being-jewish-should-sarkozy-have-refused-to-go/653983/29 "2013-03-28T14:22:24Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Granted, Levy is saying a major aspect to the story is untrue, that there was not a trip to Libya in the works. This is a great distortion. He has stated directly that all major aspects of the story are not true. [ul] [li]He had not a trip to Libya planned[/li][li]He has just in fact gotten from the Libyan government a new visa[/li][li]He has been to Tripoli recently[/li][li]He maintains good relations with the government, and he is not Persona Non Grata.[/li][/ul] > [@](#): > > The possibility he leaves open is that there are officials in Libya who don’t want him to travel there. Yes, in fact I showed that in the original text I quoted from the site of BHL himself, the part you continue to avoid. > [@](#): > > That is not equivalent to declaring the article “pure fiction”. It is in fact since no fundamental aspect of the story has any truth in it. > [@](#): > > I will avoid the temptation to inform you that you can not speak well English and seem to be relying on unspecified translational difficulties to insist that Levy has refuted the entire article, My english may be weak but it is clearly better than your French and even the understanding of the english translation. BHL has refuted the entire original story that was presented in the English newspaper. I remind you, it was me who found the rue89 story, and the more plausible idea that someone in the city government of the city of Tripoli, as BHL has himself said, said something like he would not meet BHL because he is jewish. Et alors? Some unnamed person of no rank that is know might have perhaps said this in Libya? This is not news. It is a banality as compared to the real facts that BHL in fact does have the new visa to Libya etc… > [@](#): > > which is not the case No what is the case is what may be a deliberate misunderstanding of the clear statements of BHL. The only thing . > [@](#): > > I await your connecting-the-dots to show us how the original source is “extremist”, “zionist” I never made the claim the original source which appears to be rue89 is any of those. > [@](#): > > Maybe you should post in French so there are no misunderstandings. :dubious: It seems to me the misunderstandings are of a deliberate nature. ---
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/levy-barred-from-libya-for-being-jewish-should-sarkozy-have-refused-to-go/653983/30 "2013-03-28T14:24:33Z")
> [@newcomer](#): > > If suicide bomber gets 72 virgins I wonder how many sluts are awaiting online threadshitters? I will avoid the temptation of asking **Jackmannii** how many sluts he gets for every anti-Semite conspiracy he uncovers on the internet. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/levy-barred-from-libya-for-being-jewish-should-sarkozy-have-refused-to-go/653983/31 "2013-03-28T14:27:40Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > There is this tool, it is called google. If you put in the key words in English for this story in this tool, you get certain kinds of results. I made my own judgement when I saw that the results are all of very partisans newspapers of certain political tendencies, and not any articles in any sources of quality or of neutrality. It is then I suspected that it is necessary to look in the French news and again I find the same thing, no source of the quality or the neutrality one must normally expect gives citation to this. Only the sources of certain extremist tendencies, and then a slightly different article in rue89, and so I went to the site of BHL to see some expected comment. I’m afraid I do not follow. Are you saying that if a story isn’t of the quality or neutrality you expect, it’s natural to assume it was made by Anglophones and Jews - even if the story was, in fact, published in a French newspaper? > [@](#): > > If you think my judgement is very wrong, I direct you to the very language that BHL uses himself in his article, for he makes the comparison (in his very philosophical style which may be too subtle in english) to Je suis partout. [edited: this is the French fascist newspaper as expained in his translated article] He does not make this by accident, this reference speaks. Again, I do not follow. Perhaps the subtlties of blaming a French story on Anglophones and Jews escape my blunt English sensibilities. > [@](#): > > that is not the story was making the reference to, in fact it was me who found the Rue89 and then the refutation of this by BHL himself on his own website, which I have linked to and which the american newspaper linked to is but a translation of it. I know it was not; it’s a follow-up story in which Rue89 (which is, once again, a French paper and the one that published the story) stated where it got the story from - its Lybian correspondent, a person named Maryline Dumas. > [@](#): > > No that is a confusion I have clarified. I take it from this that you acknowledge that you were incorrect in blaming the story on Anglophones and Jews? ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/levy-barred-from-libya-for-being-jewish-should-sarkozy-have-refused-to-go/653983/32 "2013-03-28T14:29:36Z")
Again the very words of BHL himself, from his own website as I quoted (and which are also translated differently on the american website): > [@](#): > > **You [BHL] tell his that his article is crap** ( **this voyage was not foreseen** ) and that his title above all is not worhty (or worthy more exactly of a modern ‘je suis partout’). The director apologizes. Changes the title which becomes "BHL will not go to Tripoli with Sarkozy because ‘he is jewish’). > > … > **You have a recent visa given for Tripoli, in good and due form, by the consular authorities of the country**. You have, in Paris, a few days earlier, on the first evening of his official visit, a beautiful meeting with Ali Zeidan, your friend, who joined you in 2011, in each, or almost, your travel in Libya in fire and is now Prime Minister There is no truth at all in the story as it was presented in English. That version is a lie, a great lie it is clear. Even the rue89 story has no good basis, only being on a supposed anonymous source - and so what that one could find a stupid low person in Libya who would say anonymously (and why anonymously even?) that he would not meet BHL because he is Jewish. As I said before, this is not news, it is not news there is anti-semetism in Libya! What was supposed to be news was some official actions. But there are none. Yes, BHL is philosophically regreting the instrumentalisation of these discourses of conflict of civilisation and that is right because he is on the forefront of a combat to be at once a zionist in the true sense of supporting Israel and celebrating the value, and against clash of civilisations. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/levy-barred-from-libya-for-being-jewish-should-sarkozy-have-refused-to-go/653983/33 "2013-03-28T14:36:24Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > For those not aware, all Jews were forcibly expelled from Libya decades ago . . . Where did they go? Israel? ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/levy-barred-from-libya-for-being-jewish-should-sarkozy-have-refused-to-go/653983/34 "2013-03-28T14:36:40Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > Again the very words of BHL himself, from his own website as I quoted (and which are also translated differently on the american website): > There is no truth at all in the story as it was presented in English. That version is a lie, a great lie it is clear. Even the rue89 story has no good basis, only being on a supposed anonymous source - and so what that one could find a stupid low person in Libya who would say anonymously (and why anonymously even?) that he would not meet BHL because he is Jewish. As I said before, this is not news, it is not news there is anti-semetism in Libya! > > What was supposed to be news was some official actions. But there are none. > > Yes, BHL is philosophically regreting the instrumentalisation of these discourses of conflict of civilisation and that is right because he is on the forefront of a combat to be at once a zionist in the true sense of supporting Israel and celebrating the value, and against clash of civilisations. I have no problem believing the article was incorrect. Not seeing why you are blaiming the English presentation for the mistakes of a French newspaper. Let alone some great ango-Jewish conspiracy. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/levy-barred-from-libya-for-being-jewish-should-sarkozy-have-refused-to-go/653983/35 "2013-03-28T14:36:59Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > I’m afraid I do not follow. Are you saying that if a story isn’t of the quality or neutrality you expect, it’s natural to assume it was made by Anglophones and Jews - even if the story was, in fact, published in a French newspaper? What I say is that I researched with Google the key words in English to find more. I found this story only on websites of the extreme Right (both Jewish and non-Jewish) - the blogs and the newspapers. Not one time on a source of the seriousness and the neutrality one should require to give credence to a story. so I am saying to you, my conclusion is based on this. I then began to suspect this story was shit. So I did research on the key words of the same in French and I found the same thing. Except only rue89 which has a story of a different nature - not saying in the last version he was barred but this version, edited perhaps saying some official would not meet him. And then I went to BHL because he comments on himself. There I found the true story. I do not think this was so hard to understand, but some persons seek misunderstandings. There is a certain industry particularly in English among the Right Wing who wish to promote clash of civilisation with Islam and who also instrumentalise Israel and Jews for their own ends. That is my conclusion. Again, I do not follow. Perhaps the subtlties of blaming a French story on Anglophones and Jews escape my blunt English sensibilities. > [@](#): > > Rue89 (which is, once again, a French paper and the one that published the story) . Yes, I again highlight, it was I who found the source as well as BHL own comments. > [@](#): > > I take it from this that you acknowledge that you were incorrect in blaming the story on Anglophones and Jews? I did not blame Jews. I blamed and blame the extreme right wing particularly of the Anglophone side for promoting what in the end was propaganda. I corrected the mistake you made in thinking I was referring to rue89. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/levy-barred-from-libya-for-being-jewish-should-sarkozy-have-refused-to-go/653983/36 "2013-03-28T14:38:03Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > I have no problem believing the article was incorrect. Not seeing why you are blaiming the English presentation for the mistakes of a French newspaper. Let alone some great ango-Jewish conspiracy. What Anglo Jewish conspiracy? I never made such a statement. I meant when I wrote earlier that in English the people who were making the original story were of the extremist nature, not that Anglos and Jews are of the extremist nature. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/levy-barred-from-libya-for-being-jewish-should-sarkozy-have-refused-to-go/653983/37 "2013-03-28T14:45:48Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > What I say is that I researched with Google the key words in English to find more. > > I found this story only on websites of the extreme Right (both Jewish and non-Jewish) - the blogs and the newspapers. Not one time on a source of the seriousness and the neutrality one should require to give credence to a story. > > so I am saying to you, my conclusion is based on this. > > I then began to suspect this story was shit. > > So I did research on the key words of the same in French and I found the same thing. > > Except only rue89 which has a story of a different nature - not saying in the last version he was barred but this version, edited perhaps saying some official would not meet him. And then I went to BHL because he comments on himself. There I found the true story. > > I do not think this was so hard to understand, but some persons seek misunderstandings. > > There is a certain industry particularly in English among the Right Wing who wish to promote clash of civilisation with Islam and who also instrumentalise Israel and Jews for their own ends. That is my conclusion. > > Again, I do not follow. Perhaps the subtlties of blaming a French story on Anglophones and Jews escape my blunt English sensibilities. > > . > > Yes, I again highlight, it was I who found the source as well as BHL own comments. > > I did not blame Jews. I blamed and blame the extreme right wing particularly of the Anglophone side for promoting what in the end was propaganda. I corrected the mistake you made in thinking I was referring to rue89. Lemme get this straight - you aren’t blaming Anglophones and Jews, or extremist Jews, or whatever, for publishing the story - which was my mistaken thinking, based on this: > [@](#): > > All the claims of the barring, they come from partisan anglophone jewish sources of the extreme zionist angles and right wing anglophones who wish to sow hatreds and exploit the jews for own purposes. It is once again a story of lies for propaganda of those persons who wish to make the muslim and arab worlds appear worse than they even are, it appears, as from BHL own website you can read from him that is a lie: Hopwever, you are blaming them from _publicising_ the story that you acknowledge came from a French newspaper? I’m afraid you have the whole notion ass-backwards. The fact that the story was republished on a million right-wing blogs has exactly no bearing on whether it is true or not. The story may very well be true or untrue: that depends on whether or not Rue89 and its Lybian source. They may well have fucked it up, but that has nothing to do with the bloggers who picked up the story from them. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/levy-barred-from-libya-for-being-jewish-should-sarkozy-have-refused-to-go/653983/38 "2013-03-28T14:46:04Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Where did they go? Israel? Mostly, although some ended up in Italy. And to the best of my knowledge, they weren’t expelled, per se, but rather fled after a series of pogroms. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/levy-barred-from-libya-for-being-jewish-should-sarkozy-have-refused-to-go/653983/39 "2013-03-28T14:49:30Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > What Anglo Jewish conspiracy? I never made such a statement. Huh? You deny you said this? > [@](#): > > All the claims of the barring, they come from partisan anglophone jewish sources of the extreme zionist angles and right wing anglophones who wish to sow hatreds and exploit the jews for own purposes. It is once again a story of lies for propaganda of those persons who wish to make the muslim and arab worlds appear worse than they even are, it appears, as from BHL own website you can read from him that is a lie: Are you saying that characterizing this statement as suggesting an “Anglo Jewish conspiracy” (presumably, to “to make the muslim and arab worlds appear worse than they even are”) is unfair, or an improper description? ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/levy-barred-from-libya-for-being-jewish-should-sarkozy-have-refused-to-go/653983/40 "2013-03-28T14:54:46Z")
Yes it is improper and incorrect description as it is not saying in any way there is an Anglo Jewish conspiracy, but that there are extreme right wing parties that wish to sow dissensions, because they believe in promoting clash of civilisation discourses. It is a very specific fraction that I am pointing to. This suffices, these subjects have no rationality in them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/levy-barred-from-libya-for-being-jewish-should-sarkozy-have-refused-to-go/653983.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/levy-barred-from-libya-for-being-jewish-should-sarkozy-have-refused-to-go/653983.md?page=3)