# LGBT Klingons? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 8, 2013, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377 "2013-11-08T02:15:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/1 "2013-11-08T02:15:59Z")
Have there been any LGBT Klingons? Or evidence that any may have been? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/2 "2013-11-08T02:22:40Z")
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**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/3 "2013-11-08T02:42:04Z")
Well, the _Trek_ universe as presented was pretty straitlaced…rather excessively so, actually. Aside from a few minor lesbianish moments and the goofy episode about the conformity-minded androgynous species, I don’t recall any LGBT references or metaphors. Frankly, I’d be looking to a more adult-oriented (by which I mean written for adults, not specifically pornographic) universe if I wanted such. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/4 "2013-11-08T03:07:54Z")
Why would an alien race have human conceptions (!) of sexuality? Humans don’t have similar species wide concepts, so why would Aliens? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/5 "2013-11-08T03:29:12Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Why would an alien race have human conceptions (!) of sexuality? Because thanks to the meddling of a precursor race, humanoid races in Trek are mostly variations on the same human-ish theme. Not alien aliens, like say the Horta. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/6 "2013-11-08T04:00:46Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, the _Trek_ universe as presented was pretty straitlaced…rather excessively so, actually. Aside from a few minor lesbianish moments and the goofy episode about the conformity-minded androgynous species, I don’t recall any LGBT references or metaphors. Frankly, I’d be looking to a more adult-oriented (by which I mean written for adults, not specifically pornographic) universe if I wanted such. There’s the original Trill episode from TNG, where Crusher’s new love interest gets a female host, and wants to continue the relationship, and the DS9 episode where Dax hooks up with a former lover, now in a female host. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/7 "2013-11-08T04:09:12Z")
Yeah, minor, lesbianish… ---
**Author:** ![Hail\_Ants](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/dc4da7/32.png) [@Hail\_Ants](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hail_Ants)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/8 "2013-11-08T04:39:57Z")
Gay characters (or rather the lack there of) has been [a point of contention in Star Trek for over twenty years now.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_in_Star_Trek#LGBT_in_Star_Trek) IMO I don’t see it being realistic to imagine a gay Klingon given their cultural & social attitudes towards gender roles. A ‘butch’ lesbian female maybe, if it contributed to her being a fearless warrior. But a ‘femmy’ male Klingon? Would get sacrificed at a young age. Be like a gay Predator… ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/9 "2013-11-08T04:51:57Z")
Male homosexuality and being a big tough macho warrior [are not actually incompatible](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Band_of_Thebes). ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/10 "2013-11-08T05:52:26Z")
Do pictures on Rule34 count? I’ve seen some…interesting…Klingon biology. ---
**Author:** ![Washoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ecae2f/32.png) [@Washoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Washoe)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/11 "2013-11-08T06:13:53Z")
I know there’s a Uranus joke in there somewhere, but I’m not touching it with a ten-foot bat’leth. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/12 "2013-11-08T06:40:28Z")
When you get right down to it, we could have seen a whole bunch of LGBT Klingons and never realized it. We don’t have any evidence that most of them are _straight,_ either. Like **Bryan Ekers** said, the universe has always been written as really straitlaced; the subject of sex doesn’t show up nearly as often as it does in real life. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/13 "2013-11-08T07:32:41Z")
> [@Hail\_Ants](#): > > Gay characters (or rather the lack there of) has been [a point of contention in Star Trek for over twenty years now.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_in_Star_Trek#LGBT_in_Star_Trek) IMO I don’t see it being realistic to imagine a gay Klingon given their cultural & social attitudes towards gender roles. A ‘butch’ lesbian female maybe, if it contributed to her being a fearless warrior. But a ‘femmy’ male Klingon? Would get sacrificed at a young age. Be like a gay Predator… Nobody said anything about “femmy.” There can’t be gay male Klingons who are non-femmy warriors? ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/14 "2013-11-08T09:40:44Z")
_Bekk_s Yojagh and Moq in the _Star Trek: I.K.S. Gorkon_ series of novels by Keith R.A. DeCandido were allegedly sleeping with one another; both were male. The person who’s told this revelation doubts it, however, because Moq has a mate back on Qo’noS. It’s not a major part of the story, although Moq turns out to be important to the narrative. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/15 "2013-11-08T12:15:22Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > Nobody said anything about “femmy.” There can’t be gay male Klingons who are non-femmy warriors? Looking at _female_ Klingons, a “femmy” male Klingon would look and act pretty much like every _other_ male Klingon. Klingon 1: “I think Molag is gay.” Klingon 2: “Why?” Klingon 1: "I caught him _bathing_ last week. Twice. _Twice!"_ Klingon 2: “Oooooh, yeah. He’s gay.” ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/16 "2013-11-08T12:41:54Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Looking at _female_ Klingons, a “femmy” male Klingon would look and act pretty much like every _other_ male Klingon. “Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects. And claw at you.”—Worf Yeah…really, “feminine” behavior among Klingons mostly seems to be “sometimes wears a skirt.” ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/17 "2013-11-08T13:06:47Z")
I suppose this matter would fall under _“We don’t talk about that”_. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/18 "2013-11-08T13:24:07Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > Nobody said anything about “femmy.” There can’t be gay male Klingons who are non-femmy warriors? Considering the fact that what the Kilingons call intercourse, we would call abuse and or grievous bodily harm, I would bloody well hope not. As it is, why would an alien race have the same idea of sexuality and social norms as humans do? You might as well as if there are Turkish Klingons. Or Jewish ones. I mean then they just become Humans with bad skin conditions. One of the few things I liked about _Enterprise_ was the willingness to deal with alien species having very different social norms, structure and ideals. Not just modifications of human ones, radically different one. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/19 "2013-11-08T13:53:40Z")
Jewish Klingons? Is gak Kosher? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/20 "2013-11-08T14:01:55Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Klingon 1: “I think Molag is gay.” > > Klingon 2: “Why?” Klingon 1: “He pummeled me into submission and mounted me last week.” Klingon 2: “Uh, by that logic, _I’m_ gay.” Klingon 1: “Oh, that’s right! I forgot all about that!” Klingon 2: “Good times, man. Good times.” [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377.md?page=2)