# LGBT Klingons? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 8, 2013, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377 "2013-11-08T02:15:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/21 "2013-11-08T14:45:42Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Jewish Klingons? Is gak Kosher? One, it’s _gagh_, and two, they’re worms, so they’re not kosher. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/22 "2013-11-08T16:21:03Z")
Well, however Klingon homosexuality expresses, we can be sure it’s honourable and fierce and warlike and honourable… ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/23 "2013-11-08T16:36:10Z")
If there were any, they’d be fucking tough even for Klingons. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/24 "2013-11-08T16:46:44Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, however Klingon homosexuality expresses, we can be sure it’s honourable and fierce and warlike and honourable… You said “honourable” twice… ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/25 "2013-11-08T16:49:24Z")
We like honour. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/26 "2013-11-08T16:54:40Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > If there were any, they’d be fucking tough even for Klingons. 'Minds me of the gay pride parade I saw a few years ago. There was a marcher about six eight with a physique halfway between Olympic swimmer and NFL linebacker. His t-shirt read, in 12-inch letters (yes, they fit): **BIG FAG** ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/27 "2013-11-08T16:57:49Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > As it is, why would an alien race have the same idea of sexuality and social norms as humans do? You might as well as if there are Turkish Klingons. Or Jewish ones. I mean then they just become Humans with bad skin conditions. There are black Vulcans, and black and East Asian Romulans, besides the “default” white versions. _Star Trek_ is like that. Alien species are a lot more like us than would happen in reality. Klingons, Vulcans, humans, and as far as I know, everybody else can interbreed without a sci-fi doctor’s help. They do it the old-fashioned way (except on one episode of _Enterprise_, where an alien chick released her DNA into warm fluid and got a human man pregnant). **panache** ’s question is reasonable. We all know what it would mean for a Klingon to be gay. Has there ever been a character that fit that definition? I don’t think so. For that matter, I don’t think there’s any evidence in _Star Trek_’s canon that there are gay _humans_. Besides, regarding your post upthread, humans have looked for homosexuality in other species here on earth. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/28 "2013-11-08T17:01:24Z")
> [@bup](#): > > There are black Vulcans Are those the ones with electricity powers? ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/29 "2013-11-08T17:06:33Z")
I had to google that to get it. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/30 "2013-11-08T17:53:23Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > As it is, why would an alien race have the same idea of sexuality and social norms as humans do? You might as well as if there are Turkish Klingons. Or Jewish ones. I mean then they just become Humans with bad skin conditions. Because aliens in Star Trek exist for one purpose: to illustrate some facet of human nature and/or culture. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/31 "2013-11-08T18:24:41Z")
“You know how I know you’re gay? You cleaned the blood off your Bat’leth after you killed those Romulans.” ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/32 "2013-11-08T18:26:02Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > "You know how I know you’re gay? " You keep your pinky extended when you eat your _gagh_? ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim_r.mortiss/32/142_2.png) [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_R.Mortiss)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/33 "2013-11-08T20:38:14Z")
In the \*Dark Passions \*novels, set in the mirror universe, there are plenty of lesbian Klingons. I don’t know if that counts as canon, though. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/34 "2013-11-08T21:08:01Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Why would an alien race have human conceptions (!) of sexuality? Humans don’t have similar species wide concepts, so why would Aliens? I would say the distinction between homosexual and heterosexual sex is a species-wide concept to humans (relevant cultural/moral attitudes very widely, but the perception of the **distinction** is universal), and would be to any humanoid species with a “male” and “female” sex as we understand such, which applies to **almost** all humanoids in the ST universe (there was that one species of humanoid hermaphrodites, where a sex-specific orientation is considered a perversion). ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/35 "2013-11-08T21:55:42Z")
> [@Ranchoth](#): > > “Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects. And claw at you.”—Worf > > Yeah…really, “feminine” behavior among Klingons mostly seems to be “sometimes wears a skirt.” If there ever was a feminist movement among Klingons, somehow I imagine it as something along the lines of\* “and after the feminists took the capital, the conservatives agreed to negotiate. The feminists called them cowards for such an offer and had them all executed.”\* ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/36 "2013-11-08T22:12:46Z")
In one of the novels there was an undercover Klingon agent who was altered to look human who was a lesbian and took advantage of living in the Federation to be able to live like one. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/37 "2013-11-08T22:22:45Z")
Of course, the Klingon word for “simpering man-bitch” is “human”. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/38 "2013-11-08T22:33:32Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Jewish Klingons? Oy, it’s not a _real_ bris unless it’s done with a bat’leth. The Talmud is much better in the original Klingon. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/39 "2013-11-08T23:11:35Z")
It’s not kosher unless it’s got at least a good a chance of eating you, as you do of eating it. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377/40 "2013-11-08T23:48:52Z")
Might as well add Cogenitors into the mix. Not Klingon, but still part of the humanoid-ish space seed soup. I think Khan was bi. Dinosaurs! On a SPACE SHIP! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lgbt-klingons/673377.md?page=3)