# Liam Miller, how could you? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 9, 2004, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630 "2004-01-09T13:29:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/1 "2004-01-09T13:29:37Z")
So, you’ve decided to sign a pre-contract agreement with Manchester United, the team you’ve supported since a boy. They are going to pay you alot of money. Good for you. How could you do this? the offer from Celtic was good, you would have been earning an incredible amount of money for a 22 year old. granted, it’s not as much as you would have earned with United, but it’s still a hell of a lot. Celtic have been incredibly good to you, taking you on as a 16 year old, aiding your development, not losing faith in you during your two long injuries, sending you on loan to Aarhous, where you were a big success. Celtic gave you your first taste of european football and what a job you did. You fired home off a beautiful cushioned header from Hartson against Anderlecht, where you were substituted to a standing ovation after 70 minutes. the Celtic fans took hailed you as the next Paul McStay. High Praise indeed. It’s not so much the signing for Utd that has me pissed off, its the manner in which you did it. You have been saying how much you love Celtic. How do you show it? by going for secret medicals without telling your manager or the club. Ferguson and Keane have their greasy fingers all over this. How many calls did you get from them before the transfer window? Celtic had you at a verbal agreement. why were you holding back from signing on the line? Who had been whispering in your ear? Best of luck at United, Liam, but if it doesn’t work out, and you spend more time warming the bench, remember what you did to Celtic and ponder on Karma. I’m off to destroy my “Miller Time” t-shirt. ---
**Author:** ![paulberserker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@paulberserker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulberserker)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/2 "2004-01-09T14:00:14Z")
can I just use this thread to say how much I hate everyone and everything to do with and about Man utd? good. they suck. Liam Miller is a fool. Ferguson and Keane are snakes, and I hope they both explode. meh. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/3 "2004-01-09T15:18:36Z")
This is the kind of fascinating you get while watching a telenovela because you’re bored out of your mind on a Tuesday afternoon, even though you don’t understand Spanish. Ain’t those Yurpeans quaint? They think soccer is football! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Creative\_Munster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/919ad9/32.png) [@Creative\_Munster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Creative_Munster)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/4 "2004-01-09T15:26:16Z")
If I were a professional athlete, I would go where the money was. But perhaps things are different there than here. It’s unusual for our sports players to play their entire careers in one city. And I can’t say I blame them. You run the risk every time you play of tearing up a knee and ending your career. If I were going to run that sort of risk, I would want to make sure there were as many millions in the bank account as possible. ---
**Author:** ![owlstretchingtime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/958977/32.png) [@owlstretchingtime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/owlstretchingtime)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/5 "2004-01-09T15:48:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Creative\_Munster \* > \*\*IIt’s unusual for our sports players to play their entire careers in one city. \*\* My dear Colonial Friend: It is not unheard of for TEAMS not to spend their whole lives in one place! Spetics - dontcha luv 'em. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/6 "2004-01-09T16:03:45Z")
Money talks, ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/7 "2004-01-09T16:04:55Z")
innit. ---
**Author:** ![owlstretchingtime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/958977/32.png) [@owlstretchingtime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/owlstretchingtime)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/8 "2004-01-09T16:08:53Z")
nuff said ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Boods](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5e9695/32.png) [@Ms\_Boods](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms_Boods)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/9 "2004-01-09T16:21:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by paulberserker \* > \*\* > Ferguson and Keane are snakes, and I hope they both explode. > meh. \*\* I love you, paulberserker…although I suspect it can never be since I am an Arsenal supporter… :😭: 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Angua](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@Angua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angua)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/10 "2004-01-09T16:37:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by paulberserker \* > \*\*can I just use this thread to say how much I hate everyone and everything to do with and about Man utd? > good. > they suck. > \*\* Here here! And, no, I’m not a Man City fan… I support Burnley - the claret and blue army! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![owlstretchingtime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/958977/32.png) [@owlstretchingtime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/owlstretchingtime)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/11 "2004-01-09T16:42:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ms Boods \* > \*\*I love you, paulberserker…although I suspect it can never be since I am an Arsenal supporter… :😭: > > 😃 \*\* Hissssss! Booooooo! ---
**Author:** ![Kal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de053/32.png) [@Kal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kal)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/12 "2004-01-09T16:57:46Z")
Just as an aside, I was once playing some game online against a few Americans and was asked if I supported Man U by one of 'em. When I tried teaching 'em the song, “stand up if you hate united”, about 7 people jumped on me for being anti-American. ---
**Author:** ![manwithaplan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@manwithaplan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manwithaplan)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/13 "2004-01-09T17:05:40Z")
No biggie - it happens all the time. Why would Man Yoo pay a transfer fee when they could get him for bugger all at the end of the season. They’re hardly crying out for midfielders at the moment. Miller would be insane to stay in that comedy league but I’m not sure about his chances at Man Yoo. He may not even have the opportunity to warm the bench for quite some time. ---
**Author:** ![owlstretchingtime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/958977/32.png) [@owlstretchingtime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/owlstretchingtime)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/14 "2004-01-09T17:51:12Z")
If he’s a Roy Keanalike and wants a loan, I can think of a certain North London club that would be happy to help. ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Boods](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5e9695/32.png) [@Ms\_Boods](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms_Boods)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/15 "2004-01-09T18:21:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by owlstretchingtime \* > \*\*Hissssss! Booooooo! \*\* :eek: I have been abused by supporters from Huddersfield Town…I was once attacked by a Chelsea supporter in the Portobello Rd [Sir Percy Percy] I’ve never heard it called _that_before [/SPP] and…because I like him best…I have… _defended David Seaman_ (jarring crashing scary music chord) :😭: 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![owlstretchingtime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/958977/32.png) [@owlstretchingtime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/owlstretchingtime)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/16 "2004-01-09T18:35:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ms Boods \* > \*\*:eek: > > I have been abused by supporters from Huddersfield Town…I was once attacked by a Chelsea supporter in the Portobello Rd > 🙂 \*\* Well we can’t ALL be wrong 😃 Do you live in Woolwich? Owl Bitter yid. (from North London - not Woolwich) ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Boods](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5e9695/32.png) [@Ms\_Boods](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms_Boods)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/17 "2004-01-09T18:51:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by owlstretchingtime \* > \*\*Well we can’t ALL be wrong 😃 > > Do you live in Woolwich? > > Owl > Bitter yid. (from North London - not Woolwich) \*\* At pres am living in the States, but my London digs are in Bloomsbury… I once visited friends in Manchester who fiendishly took me to Old Trafford one rainy (of course!) afternoon – the indignity! I was de-scarfed and everything…I think they were hoping that once having trod the pitch (their son works as a cameraman there, so has access) the next time I attempted to enter Highbury, it would be as one of those vampire things…the corrupted puts her hands on the doors to the church, there’s a flash and bang, and burning, sizzling, screams of the damned etc etc … Well, nyah! Didn’t work! Hahahaha! mostly cos I can never manage to get tickets to Highbury… As for the OP – crikey, yes, you certainly have my grumbly agreement about players chasing money… ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/18 "2004-01-09T21:27:51Z")
Sooo… this has nothing to do with me, right? Whew. ---
**Author:** ![ruadh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@ruadh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ruadh)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2004, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/19 "2004-01-10T16:38:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by manwithaplan \* > **Why would Man Yoo pay a transfer fee when they could get him for bugger all at the end of the season.** We just bought Stephen Pearson from Motherwell, paying a transfer fee, when we could have got him for bugger all at the end of the season. Why? Because Pearson _insisted_ on it. He didn’t want to just walk out on his club like that. Liam Miller could have learned a lesson in manners from him. But then, he _is_ from Cork. > [@](#): > > Miller would be insane to stay in that comedy league Why? He would be on the first team, guaranteed to play in Europe several times a year, every year. His international career would also be assured. Sure he’d want to move on in a few years but by then he would be able to command higher wages and, most likely, a first team place at Man U or whatever other team he went to. At his age, staying at CP would be the best option for him, IMHO. > [@](#): > > He may not even have the opportunity to warm the bench for quite some time. I hope he doesn’t, I hope he rots in their reserves. Even better, I hope his general injury prone nature turns him into the next Phil O’Donnell. I hope Man U end up selling him for pennies to some struggling SPL team and he ends up one day back at Celtic Park in an away strip, and gets the full benefit of hearing what the _real_ fans of the club he’s sworn up and down for the past six years to have “supported all my life” think of him. Lying little shitebag. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2004, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/20 "2004-01-10T17:58:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by manwithaplan \* > \*\*No biggie - it happens all the time. Why would Man Yoo pay a transfer fee when they could get him for bugger all at the end of the season. They’re hardly crying out for midfielders at the moment. > > Miller would be insane to stay in that comedy league but I’m not sure about his chances at Man Yoo. He may not even have the opportunity to warm the bench for quite some time. \*\* while not having a transfer fee is a let down, I’m ore annoyed with how he has gone about the whole thing. The offer from Celtic was a very good one, and while not what United could offer in monetary terms, in football terms he’d get more oppertunities with Celtic. As for the “comedy league” remark, who were the last team outside of Man U and Arsenal to win, and when? Aside from Man Utd and Arsenal (and the Chelsea mercenaries) the only difference between the EPL and the SPL is money. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630.md?page=2)