# Liam Miller, how could you? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 9, 2004, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630 "2004-01-09T13:29:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Futile\_Gesture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f05b48/32.png) [@Futile\_Gesture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Futile_Gesture)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2004, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/21 "2004-01-10T20:47:36Z")
What, a Celtic rant that hints at a conspiracy against them? How unusual. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![ruadh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@ruadh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ruadh)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2004, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/22 "2004-01-10T21:00:37Z")
I don’t see any hint of a conspiracy in that rant FG. You must be getting paranoid 😃 ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/23 "2004-01-11T01:06:43Z")
you’re talking shite FG, talking shite. As for Liam Miller (and not **Miller** ;)), I hope his next shite is a hedgehog. ---
**Author:** ![Futile\_Gesture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f05b48/32.png) [@Futile\_Gesture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Futile_Gesture)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/24 "2004-01-11T15:11:58Z")
Nope. No suggestion of a conspiracy here. > [@](#): > > Ferguson and Keane have their greasy fingers all over this. How many calls did you get from them before the transfer window? > > Celtic had you at a verbal agreement. why were you holding back from signing on the line? > > Who had been whispering in your ear? No suggestion that this was anything other than an everyday, any other player, transfer. Nope. Nothing that reveals the Celtic chip-on-the-shoulder, they’re-all-out-to-get-us. Nothing that could possibly be taken to say that anyone choosing to transfer away from Celtic _must_ be the result of dodgy dealing. No sign of that Celtic paranoia at all. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ruadh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@ruadh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ruadh)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/25 "2004-01-11T15:27:09Z")
Oh come on FG, saying that Ferguson and Keane may not have played strictly by the rules in attempting to lure Miller away hardly equates to hinting of a “conspiracy against Celtic”. I’m sure they would have done the same if he was playing for any other team, and I’m sure the fans of that other team would feel exactly the same way we do. Now if Twisty had suggested for example that David Murray was in on it, _that_ would be hinting at a conspiracy against Celtic. ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/26 "2004-01-11T15:31:23Z")
So, how about them Giants, eh? ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/27 "2004-01-11T15:55:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ruadh \* > \*\*Oh come on FG, saying that Ferguson and Keane may not have played strictly by the rules in attempting to lure Miller away hardly equates to hinting of a “conspiracy against Celtic”. I’m sure they would have done the same if he was playing for any other team, and I’m sure the fans of that other team would feel exactly the same way we do. PSV is another example. > [@](#): > > Now if Twisty had suggested for example that David Murray was in on it, _that_ would be hinting at a conspiracy against Celtic. \*\* I just haven’t figured out a way to work the masonic bond into it yet 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![manwithaplan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@manwithaplan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manwithaplan)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2004, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/28 "2004-01-12T11:38:54Z")
The recent record of players from the SPL moving south is pretty abysmal. I think Miller is right to move early so he can play some decent football year round but Man Utd mightn’t be the ideal destination. I can’t agree that staying at Celtic would have been the right choice. **Twisty** , You’re right that the Premiership is becoming more like the SPL but I would argue that the also-rans in England are of a significantly higher quality than their counterparts north of the border. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2004, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/29 "2004-01-12T12:35:10Z")
> [@](#): > > he can play some decent football year round thats the thing. He CAN play decent football year round, and his best oppertunity is with Celtic. He’s going to be warming the bench at Utd for a while for £25k a week. He could be playing first team football in the SPL and the Champions league for £20k a week, and guarenteeing his international place. If he stayed with Celtic for another 2-3 years and played his game right he could walk into any English Premiership midfield (or in Europe, with the exposure he would have gotten in the CL with Celtic. ) His loss. ---
**Author:** ![paulberserker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@paulberserker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulberserker)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2004, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/30 "2004-01-12T12:52:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ms Boods \* > \*\*I love you, paulberserker…although I suspect it can never be since I am an Arsenal supporter… :😭: > > 😃 \*\* Well, we all got our faults. I’d be really hating you if you were Tottenham. Anybody want to come to the impending car boot sale in Leeds with me? we could have a Straightdope team for next to nowt. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![owlstretchingtime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/958977/32.png) [@owlstretchingtime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/owlstretchingtime)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2004, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/31 "2004-01-12T12:56:42Z")
Them’s fighting words old chap. Not only can you get players for next to nothing at Leeds - they pay their wages for you too. ---
**Author:** ![ruadh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@ruadh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ruadh)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2004, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/32 "2004-01-13T06:26:50Z")
> [@manwithaplan](#): > > I think Miller is right to move early so he can play some decent football year round but Man Utd mightn’t be the ideal destination. You’re missing the point. Miller wasn’t leaving so he could “play some decent football year round”. If it was any other EPL team that had come in for him he would have stayed. He left because it was Manchester United in for him. Now he won’t be playing decent football at all. ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Boods](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5e9695/32.png) [@Ms\_Boods](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms_Boods)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2004, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/33 "2004-01-14T05:32:42Z")
> [@paulberserker](#): > > Well, we all got our faults. I’d be really hating you if you were Tottenham. Then…there’s hope? Cos I have to confess having been swooning for you since your astute analysis of both David Blaine and Love, Bites or whatever the latest Hugh Grin vehicle is called 🆒 I’m sorry, Owl, can never be… Up the Arsenal! ---
**Author:** ![paulberserker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@paulberserker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulberserker)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2004, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/34 "2004-01-14T15:19:46Z")
> [@Ms Boods](#): > > Then…there’s hope? Cos I have to confess having been swooning for you since your astute analysis of both David Blaine and Love, Bites or whatever the latest Hugh Grin vehicle is called 🆒 > > I’m sorry, Owl, can never be… > > Up the Arsenal! well lookit me and my no1 fan 😃 As I used to be so fond of saying, Leeds rule, but sadly this is no longer true. I can’t say I particularly like Arsenal, but i’ll let you off due to your above post. baby! ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Boods](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5e9695/32.png) [@Ms\_Boods](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms_Boods)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2004, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/35 "2004-01-14T17:08:59Z")
> [@paulberserker](#): > > well lookit me and my no1 fan > 😃 > > As I used to be so fond of saying, Leeds rule, but sadly this is no longer true. I can’t say I particularly like Arsenal, but i’ll let you off due to your above post. > > baby! 🆒😃🆒 Pity I leave London a couple days just before Arsenal face Leeds at Highbury…could’ve been a right old Romeo and Juliet thing going on there… ☹ ::sees paulberserker’s sig…swoons:: ---
**Author:** ![paulberserker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@paulberserker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulberserker)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2004, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/36 "2004-01-14T17:17:53Z")
when do Leeds play Arsenal? I don’t got no season schedule here. ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Boods](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5e9695/32.png) [@Ms\_Boods](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms_Boods)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2004, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/37 "2004-01-14T18:14:40Z")
> [@paulberserker](#): > > when do Leeds play Arsenal? I don’t got no season schedule here. 17 April, according to my fixture list. (paper list; I avoid Arsenal’s website as anymore it is nowt but so much flashy red flashy things I sometimes fear my retinas have actually detached, and this is how I’m finding out. All the good stuff is for-pay, anyway. So I follow the matches using the BBC’s text commentary.) Apologies if this posts 2x… ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2004, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/38 "2004-01-14T22:45:58Z")
> [@Michael Ellis](#): > > So, how about them Giants, eh? New York, San Francisco, or They Might Be? ---
**Author:** ![Kal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de053/32.png) [@Kal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kal)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2004, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630/39 "2004-01-14T23:06:15Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > New York, San Francisco, or They Might Be? [Huddersfield](http://www.giantsrl.com/) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liam-miller-how-could-you/223630.md?page=1)