# Liberal. Did they kick you out ? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 13, 2009, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255 "2009-05-13T04:30:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Hamadryad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6de8d8/32.png) [@Hamadryad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamadryad)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/121 "2009-05-15T14:13:23Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Isn’t it dramatic to say things like “Ya’ sparkle-pretty drama princess.”? Yup, that’s me - nothing but a giant ball of drama-llama. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/122 "2009-05-15T14:30:16Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > And thanks to you, too, Shodan. You’ve defended me more than once. I’m not sure why. I’ve not always been kind to you. Because I like having you here. You add a great deal to the boards, IMO. We get all types here on the SDMB. That’s part of the charm. But these - > [@](#): > > these people enjoy making fun of you and that’s all there is to it. Defending it, engaging with it or inventing reasons to respect it might appear principled to you, but it’s ridiculous. Your time is your own to waste, of course. are words of wisdom. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/123 "2009-05-15T14:35:10Z")
I’m certainly a fan of wisdom. Perhaps I’ve been rendered too tranquil for my own good. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/124 "2009-05-15T15:02:58Z")
Oh, I doubt that. 🙂 Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/125 "2009-05-15T15:15:36Z")
Do you suppose it would be all right if I hung around General Questions, Great Debates, and Cafe Society? All while staying out of the Pit? Or is it that I must go altogether? ---
**Author:** ![Greenback](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/2bfe46/32.png) [@Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greenback)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/126 "2009-05-15T15:21:01Z")
you don’t need our leave to do anything **Lib** but I’ve read many debates where you have added a lot to the discussion. I look forward to more in the future. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/127 "2009-05-15T15:35:59Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Do you suppose it would be all right if I hung around General Questions, Great Debates, and Cafe Society? All while staying out of the Pit? Or is it that I must go altogether? **Lib** , honey, you and I have butted heads once or twice, but I mean what I’m about to say in a pretty much snark-free way. You know who you remind me of? Coach in the current season of _Survivor_. You have this mythic version of yourself that just isn’t shared by those around you, and whatever experiences you have actually had are dismissed because your accounts of them are embedded in a grandiosity that has destroyed your credibility. So, to answer your question: yes, GQ, GD, CS – places where the topic is something other than your life and your mythos – should all be places where you can share your observations and knowledge to the benefit of all. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/128 "2009-05-15T15:35:59Z")
deleted. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/129 "2009-05-15T15:36:53Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > But these -are words of wisdom. What an odd morning we’re having here. But thank you. [ETA: I do mean that.] I wasn’t suggesting you leave the SDMB or any forum, **Liberal**. I don’t think **Shodan** was either. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/130 "2009-05-15T15:45:08Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > What an odd morning we’re having here. But thank you. [ETA: I do mean that.] I find it odd that you would find it odd. But you’re welcome. 🙂 > [@](#): > > I wasn’t suggesting you leave the SDMB or any forum, **Liberal**. I don’t think **Shodan** was either. Actually, I think it would be a good idea for **Lib** to stay out of the Pit. A forum where one is accused of “making this all about you” in your own Pitting is one that needs to be approached in a certain spirit. And I think it is difficult for **Lib** to sustain that spirit. My $.02 worth. Void where taxed or prohibited. Kids, get your parents’ permission before calling. Not to be reproduced without the express written permission of the PGA. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/131 "2009-05-15T15:47:08Z")
Gah. I wish quote and multi-quote were working. Let me just say thanks to all who have been sincere. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/132 "2009-05-15T15:52:47Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Gah. I wish quote and multi-quote were working. Let me just say thanks to all who have been sincere. So why did you take the low road with me? Did I kick your dog? Did you forget I never left the Dope unlike yourself? ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/133 "2009-05-15T16:12:10Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > So, to answer your question: yes, GQ, **GD** , CS – places where the topic is something other than your life and your mythos – One of these doesn’t belong 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/134 "2009-05-15T16:16:37Z")
> [@zut](#): > > I don’t think you were being jerked around, really. **Liberal** was providing some additional, on-topic (or at least as on-topic as you’ll see in any normal thread) information in a neutral tone. The personal tragedy was included, yes, but not in a way that tries to excuse, or, indeed, is in any way related to his crazy drama-queen Phelps antics. > > **Liberal** ’s not required argue with or apologize to **Fenris** , and he’s not required to substantively respond to anything **Fenris** says. Don’t simply assume his post is _meant_ as an argument or apology. I suppose you _could_ view his post, with its lack of substantive response, as a kind of passive-aggressive tweaking, as in “I read your words but they mean little to me, so I post to underline my lack of response” (not exactly unconvoluted, but neither is **Liberal** ), but he’s most certainly not inserting the “personal tragedy” into the argument, because there _is_ no argument. Ordinarily, I would agree, but considering his history of doing so, I’m not inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt this time. Others have recently lost family members in the past few years – myself included – and aren’t constantly bringing it up in unrelated discussions. FWIW, **Liberal** , I AM sorry for your loss. But I stand by what I said. You may not have been doing it consciously – but this is a long standing habit of yours’. You also have a habit of treating people like shit, and then turning around and wondering why they aren’t your best friends, and begging to make amends. People don’t appreciate being jerked around like that. And if you’re going to dish it out, you better learn how it take it when it comes around back to you. (Oh, and snarking for “art” or “communication” my ass. If you believe THAT, I’ve got quite a few bridges here in da’ Burgh for sale here.) ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/135 "2009-05-15T16:16:59Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Many of those messages were from Dopers. There were also people who aren’t posting in here, like TubaDiva Did you apologize for your trashing her for several months? None of my business, granted, but if I’d spent months talking about how “Tubbydiva” is a mean, vicious person, I’d be ashamed to have posted that. Clearly you weren’t. > [@](#): > > You should write something biting. Something hateful. Something that is witty at the expense of me and my family. Need some more rhinestones on your tiara, you drama-queen? I don’t see anything in this thread that’s at the expense of your family, just at you and your posting behavior. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/136 "2009-05-15T16:23:26Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > One of these doesn’t belong 🙂 Heh. I don’t usually hang out in GD, so it don’t bother me none if **Lib** does. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/137 "2009-05-15T16:25:35Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Ordinarily, I would agree, but considering his history of doing so, I’m not inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt this time. Others have recently lost family members in the past few years – myself included – and aren’t constantly bringing it up in unrelated discussions. And given how he’s [savaged others](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=292123&highlight=liberal) for not living up to his standards of decorum regarding personal tragedies, it seems pretty hypocritical for him to drag in his personal tragedies as a way of deflecting attention from his behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Chez\_Guevara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/aeb1de/32.png) [@Chez\_Guevara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chez_Guevara)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/138 "2009-05-15T16:41:02Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > **Lib** , honey, you and I have butted heads once or twice, but I mean what I’m about to say in a pretty much snark-free way. > > You know who you remind me of? Coach in the current season of _Survivor_. You have this mythic version of yourself that just isn’t shared by those around you, and whatever experiences you have actually had are dismissed because your accounts of them are embedded in a grandiosity that has destroyed your credibility. > > So, to answer your question: yes, GQ, GD, CS – places where the topic is something other than your life and your mythos – should all be places where you can share your observations and knowledge to the benefit of all. Agreed, but no honey. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/139 "2009-05-15T17:06:38Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > And given how he’s [savaged others](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=292123&highlight=liberal) for not living up to his standards of decorum regarding personal tragedies, it seems pretty hypocritical for him to drag in his personal tragedies as a way of deflecting attention from his behavior. Heh. I haven’t read that thread in a long time. The “I retract my apology!” (when he hadn’t made one) was pretty classic, wasn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/140 "2009-05-15T21:55:50Z")
Yup. 😃 How about the fact that he demanded special treatment\* from the DoMeBo mods and then, when he didn’t get enough special treatment, he turned on them like a rabid…um…ferret. After **What\_Exit’s** (and the other mods there) above-and-beyond treatment, just look at his posts in this thread to see how he deals with his “friends” Compare his comments in [in this thread](http://domebo.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1615&hilit=egg&start=100) “one of the two mods was that great facilitator and peacemaker, What Exit?” and “See? That’s why {What Exit} being one of only two mods available for faction forming would never have worked. You’re the facilitator, not the faction maker. And under 99% of circumstances, that’s a wonderful thing. :)”]with his comments in the current thread. Or better > [@Liberal](#): > > But I was singled out, and it was an honor I must say. It’s the first time anywhere that I’ve really felt like an integral part of any online community. I owe great thanks to Winston especially, who contacted me and asked me if I’d like to play along. You can’t imagine how therapeutic it was for me on so many levels. Man, he’s a two-faced bastard. \*He was constantly whining about a particular skin/theme thing, for example. Even after it turned out it was being used considerably less than any other (by like a 2:1 ratio to the next least used) he STILL whined that they weren’t fixing it fast enough for him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255.md?page=8)