# Liberal. Did they kick you out ? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 13, 2009, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255 "2009-05-13T04:30:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![keturah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e95f7d/32.png) [@keturah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/keturah)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/161 "2009-05-16T05:43:44Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > **Seven** – shut the fuck up already. You’re doing yourself no favors. What the hell is your problem? Really, **Seven** 11!! You did not consult Ms. Unable/Incapable/HealthIssue/Reason du jour to see if you can speak. > [@](#): > > **Liberal** is jackass, yes. Yes, he exploits his own troubles to gain pity points. But I don’t see any evidence he’d make them up. Monkey see-monkey do. ---
**Author:** ![Seven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Seven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seven)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/162 "2009-05-16T07:39:53Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > I believe him. **Lib** may have his problems, including interpretations of past events(may have). > > But the idea that he is making up story about a family trajedy is so revolting, it is even more revolting when you say you believe he is lying about it and tell him “to his face” > > No fucking evidence. You are one evil hate mongering son of a bitch and I want nothing more to do with you. > > And I’m not lying. > It should read “what reason” you fucking idiot. > > What are your qualifications and evidence for asserting the allegations and this diagnosis. > > You work for The Enquirer? > > God, you make me puke! > > Have I made myself clear to you ? > > You are fucking worthless ! ok. ---
**Author:** ![Seven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Seven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seven)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/163 "2009-05-16T07:42:20Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > **Seven** – shut the fuck up already. You’re doing yourself no favors. What the hell is your problem? I’ll tell you later. 😉 There IS a reason for this ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 9:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/164 "2009-05-16T09:13:37Z")
Thank you, Flying Dutchman and DSeid. And quite honestly, Guin, I’ve had about enough of your sympathy and pity bullshit. I’d rather you thought I made it all up than to think I’m seeking pity from a few psycho weirdo Pit snarkersl Are you blind to the fact that a few people are expressing interest and concern and extending well wishes? They _already_ care about me and my family, and don’t need sympathy pleas. Are you completely clueless to the fact that I’m communicating with _them_? So cut it out, if you don’t mind. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Seven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Seven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seven)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/165 "2009-05-16T09:18:41Z")
Golly Liberal, you must just be in heaven right now huh? ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 9:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/166 "2009-05-16T09:45:34Z")
> [@Seven](#): > > I’ll tell you later. 😉 > > There IS a reason for this I’m starting to suspect that you and Fen are in this to help Lib. Watching you two go after him has been sort of cathartic. At first I was just nodding along with you but at some point it became ridiculous. Sort of like watching two dogs killing a deer that has been eating my wife’s roses. Sure at first I was annoyed by the deer and took some pleasure in watching it get it’s ass kicked but eventually the annoyance at the deer turns into sympathy and disgust at the viciousness of the dogs. It almost seems like a brilliant plan to get all possible criticisms of ol’ Lib on the table so to speak so they won’t dribble out over time from various posters. I know it has worked for me. Any negative feelings or feelings of annoyance I may have had for Lib have been burned away in the blistering furnace that is the seeming hatred on display from you and Fenris. So this thread has either had the opposite effect of the one you intended or the exact effect you intended. Either way I say welcome back Lib. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/167 "2009-05-16T12:26:45Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > Sort of like watching two dogs killing a deer that has been eating my wife’s roses. Sure at first I was annoyed by the deer and took some pleasure in watching it get it’s ass kicked but eventually the annoyance at the deer turns into sympathy and disgust at the viciousness of the dogs. Was this an analogy (metaphore?..get those two mixed up) or did this really happen. Because if it really happened, I want to tell you, that is some chilling imagery right there. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/168 "2009-05-16T12:42:07Z")
There’s two issues here–1) Is Liberal lying? For me, the answer is “I don’t care. Frankly, I doubt it.” 1. Is he (again) trying to use his personal tragedies to defect attention from a pitting? If this was a one-time thing, I’d say no–but he does it over and over. If he wanted to discuss that stuff with his friends, a simple, “Hey thanks for all the nice words of support, poster x/y/z. I’d like to discuss some other stuff. Let’s meet in MPSIMS” rather than trying to use his handicapped grandson as a shield Again. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/169 "2009-05-16T13:44:57Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > Either way I say welcome back Lib. Thanks, askeptic. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/170 "2009-05-16T14:00:35Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Let’s meet in MPSIMS" rather than trying to use his handicapped grandson as a shield Again. To assist you in excoriating my grandchildren accurately, none of them is handicapped. One is deceased. Another has a misshapen head that is being corrected. All the rest are perfectly healthy (one grandson and three granddaughters). And one grandthingy is just now on the way. My wife learned of it a few days ago when her daughter phoned her a picture of our granddaughter. It took a moment to notice the tee-shirt: “I’m gonna be a big sister!” ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/171 "2009-05-16T14:39:45Z")
> [@Seven](#): > > I’ll tell you later. 😉 > > There IS a reason for this Either put up or shut up. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/172 "2009-05-16T15:25:33Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Either put up or shut up. Seriously. I can understand being annoyed by **Lib** sometimes. Or worried about his mental health, which by his own report and by the nature of his posts sometimes waxes and wanes. (No jibe meant, honest concern.) But the degree of hostility shown here is above and beyond annoyance (and much more offensive than use of any c-word, btw) and really should come with that explanation. **Lib** has often brought knowledge and/or interesting perspectives to subjects discussed here. He rarely offends or attacks anyone else (rarely, not never) and it is not all that difficult to skip over any of his more self-serving postings if you so desire. Wht the hate? ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/173 "2009-05-16T15:49:22Z")
dude, she was responding to Seven. ---
**Author:** ![NinetyWt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@NinetyWt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinetyWt)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/174 "2009-05-16T15:53:31Z")
There are ways to offend which don’t involve attacking. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/175 "2009-05-16T15:58:33Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > dude, she was responding to Seven. dude, I was seconding her sentiment. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/176 "2009-05-16T16:00:13Z")
> [@NinetyWt](#): > > There are ways to offend which don’t involve attacking. Yeah, but there are always ways to be offended which don’t involve anyone’s intention to offend. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/177 "2009-05-16T16:15:38Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > Yeah, but there are always ways to be offended which don’t involve anyone’s intention to offend. I demand that you retract this vicious assault on my character! At _once_, do you hear, don’t just sit there! ---
**Author:** ![NinetyWt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@NinetyWt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinetyWt)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/178 "2009-05-16T16:18:21Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > Yeah, but there are always ways to be offended which don’t involve anyone’s intention to offend. That is also correct. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![crypto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@crypto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crypto)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/179 "2009-05-16T17:20:43Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > On a more general note: who the hell cares what gets posted by someone here. Suppose someone posts a rant. In the rant, that person says all sorts of unfortunate, nasty things. What do you care? After all, you don’t have to respond to it. You can ignore it with impunity. You can even place the poster upon a list of people whos posts you never ever have to read again. If that person later posts a post that you decide you want to respond to because the content is worthy of a response, you can choose to do so if you want, or choose not to do so if you want. You don’t even have to explain yourself. > > But no, what this thread (and others here in The Pit) establish is that some people cannot help but (or get enjoyment out of) antagonize someone else on the basis of disagreement with what they have posted here. Argue with them. Try to upset them back. Drag up past actions in an attempt to convince other posters to have a particular viewpoint about the person. Work to drive them away from posting if at all possible. > > It’s like watching a nursery schoolroom in action. :rolleyes: I have to ask **DSYoungEsq** , why do you not follow your own advice? Why do you feel a need to post about another poster’s behavior, but for some reason are ok with Liberal’s more than strange behavior? No one forces us to read or post. Some choose to for their own reasons. But you don’t have a reason to post, admonishing someone _for_ posting seems like a waste of time. Your last sentence sums this whole thread very nicely. A question and a couple of observations: First, is Liberal a real person (meaning has anyone met him IRL and can verify that he is who he says he is?) Or is he just an entity on these message boards? He does appear by his behavior to be a bit on the crazy side, but he could also just be someone lonely that likes to jerk a group of strangers around. I really never thought about Liberal one way or the other until his dramatic exit a few months ago (We’re finally moving!). That was a lovely piece of crap, written for attention only. And we all gave it to him, either in the positive or negative. One thing that Liberal is very good at is thanking anyone who says anything remotely positive about him. He quotes the statement, and then thanks the person by name, and we all have to read it twice. How about PM’ing the person and thank them in private? There are a few posters who share their personal events, but to use **Guin** as a comparison (sorry **Guin** ), for some reason I believe her. Liberal has lost all credibility, not because of his continual lying (which should be enough), but also his victimization routine that just gets better and better. He posts crap, and if people don’t react with a “great to have you back, Lib!”, then it’s the negative poster’s fault for not welcoming him back with open arms, for stalking him, or generally making his on-line life hell. I for one didn’t know much of the history that has been re-hashed in this thread. But I do remember the prediction after his goodbye message that he’d be back. Who knew the mods here were much more tolerant than the ones at the other boards? When you wear out your welcome at three message boards, it’s time to take a serious look within, and not blame your so-called tormentors. I will do my part, however, to make these threads a bit shorter. No longer will I see Liberal’s postings, rantings, lies, apologies, cries for attention, or even a worthwhile answer. He will disappear from view. It says a ton when the two people who created the other splinter boards had to come back here to set the record straight and call Liberal on his lies. Why would I consciously choose to read anything he posts? I forgot how nice and peaceful things were around here until Liberal came back. Now, two pit threads are dedicated to him, and I’m sure more are on the way. Lib, you are the one child in a class of thirty that takes up 50% of the teacher’s time. Unlike the teacher in the real world, I can ignore you on a message board. I will be better off for it. If everyone else ignored you, maybe you’d just go away… After all, if you aren’t getting the attention you crave, you’ll need to go somewhere else. For those that enjoy your antics, I’m sure they are glad you are back. I can’t imagine that being more than a handful of folks, but to each his/her own. ---
**Author:** ![Seven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Seven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seven)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255/180 "2009-05-16T18:17:32Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > …in the blistering furnace that is the seeming hatred on display from you and Fenris. For the record, I don’t hate the guy. I’m not even the least bit upset about this. My feelings towards him are about on par with my feelings for a run of the mill Internet troll. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-did-they-kick-you-out/496255.md?page=10)